Eddie Irvine Killed Lotus!

Eddie Irvine Killed Lotus!

Post by Chris Bloo » Mon, 17 Nov 1997 04:00:00


I remember in 1994 at the Italian GP that Eddie Irvine did one of his
famous starts and managed to take out Johnny Herbert in the Lotus at the
first chicane.  Herbert had qualified 4th in the new Lotus chassis which
was a major improvement over the previous one they had been using all
year.

Johnny was forced to restart in the old car and from what I remember had
a pretty dismal race.  Had he been able to get past the first start
without being shoved up the backside maybe he would have gone on to get
at least a podium position and maybe Lotus would have not had to close
shop at the end of 1994.

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Eddie Irvine Killed Lotus!

Post by Tom Cosgra » Mon, 17 Nov 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
> I remember in 1994 at the Italian GP that Eddie Irvine did one of his
> famous starts and managed to take out Johnny Herbert in the Lotus at the
> first chicane.  Herbert had qualified 4th in the new Lotus chassis which
> was a major improvement over the previous one they had been using all
> year.

  Yeah that's right...  

Quote:
> Johnny was forced to restart in the old car and from what I remember had
> a pretty dismal race.  Had he been able to get past the first start
> without being shoved up the backside maybe he would have gone on to get
> at least a podium position and maybe Lotus would have not had to close
> shop at the end of 1994.

  Shut up......Lotus had been in terminal decline for a
  few years!!! Why is Eddie always picked on...this has  
  got to be the silliest thing I ever heard!!

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Eddie Irvine Killed Lotus!

Post by Peter Aisthorpe-Buckle » Mon, 17 Nov 1997 04:00:00

Your wrong Cosgrove.  Lotus had pinned the last of there hopes on this
chassis which was looking promising.  Lotus may have been going down the
tubes but Irvine did them no favours with his dangerous style of driving.
Even Senna had to punch him on the nose to teach him a lesson.
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Quote:


> > I remember in 1994 at the Italian GP that Eddie Irvine did one of his
> > famous starts and managed to take out Johnny Herbert in the Lotus at
the
> > first chicane.  Herbert had qualified 4th in the new Lotus chassis
which
> > was a major improvement over the previous one they had been using all
> > year.

>   Yeah that's right...  

> > Johnny was forced to restart in the old car and from what I remember
had
> > a pretty dismal race.  Had he been able to get past the first start
> > without being shoved up the backside maybe he would have gone on to get
> > at least a podium position and maybe Lotus would have not had to close
> > shop at the end of 1994.

>   Shut up......Lotus had been in terminal decline for a
>   few years!!! Why is Eddie always picked on...this has  
>   got to be the silliest thing I ever heard!!

> Tom
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Eddie Irvine Killed Lotus!

Post by Tom Cosgra » Mon, 17 Nov 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
> Your wrong Cosgrove.

  That's CosgrAve!!!!

Quote:
> Lotus had pinned the last of there hopes on this
> chassis which was looking promising.  Lotus may have been going down the
> tubes but Irvine did them no favours with his dangerous style of driving.
> Even Senna had to punch him on the nose to teach him a lesson.

  Senna went for Eddie ansd Eddie fell off the table he
  was sitting on. Senna being drunk didn't help.
  There is no way Eddie finished Lotus off. Maybe Peter  
  Collins did?? Maybe only Chapman could've kept them  
  alive?? And I *do* actually agree that he fouled up
  that start!

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Eddie Irvine Killed Lotus!

Post by Jon Fairhurs » Mon, 17 Nov 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> I remember in 1994 at the Italian GP that Eddie Irvine did one of his
> famous starts and managed to take out Johnny Herbert in the Lotus at the
> first chicane.  Herbert had qualified 4th in the new Lotus chassis which
> was a major improvement over the previous one they had been using all
> year.

> Johnny was forced to restart in the old car and from what I remember had
> a pretty dismal race.  Had he been able to get past the first start
> without being shoved up the backside maybe he would have gone on to get
> at least a podium position and maybe Lotus would have not had to close
> shop at the end of 1994.

That year Lotus scored zero points, finishing seventh more than
once. Had they scored at least one point they would have earned
travel money from the FIA, which might have helped them stay afloat.

Eddie's move took out Herbert after his best qualifying position
(by far) of the year. The improvement was mainly attributed to a
new version of the Mugen-Honda powerplant, which had been heavy and
underpowered all year long.

Returning to work the following Monday, I found that somebody had
handled my Tamiya 1:20 Lotus Type 103, having broken off both wings.
My first thought was "Who the Hell let Eddie Irvine through
security?!".

-Jon Fairhurst

 
 
 

Eddie Irvine Killed Lotus!

Post by Cheek Sr » Mon, 17 Nov 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> Your wrong Cosgrove.  Lotus had pinned the last of there hopes on this
> chassis which was looking promising.  Lotus may have been going down the
> tubes but Irvine did them no favours with his dangerous style of driving.
> Even Senna had to punch him on the nose to teach him a lesson.

Oh come on! How can any single rival driver jeopardize an entire F1
team? Lotus was*** on by the ropes at the time of Monza,to blame
the whole miserable process of their decline and fall on Irvine is
silly.As for the Senna incident,Irvine never touched Senna but he had
the impertinence of re-passing Senna after Senna could not get past
Hill,with whom Irvine was dicing at the time.Senna was wound up by
an evilly grinning Berger and some of his Schnapps which is an important
part of the reason he lost control when he faced Irvine who failed to
submit to a verbal dressing-down from Ayrton.
Quick - how many "incidents" did Irvine cause in 1995? and in 96?
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Eddie Irvine Killed Lotus!

Post by Jamie Dye » Mon, 17 Nov 1997 04:00:00

Quote:



>> Yes they had been in a decline but this was maybe one chance to reverse
>> the demise of Lotus.  I'm not picking on Eddie, it's just that when it
>> comes to start line incidents his name seems to occur all too
>> frequently!

>Hang on a sec...I am in FILL agreement that Eddie screwed
>up with the start of Monza 94. But he DIDN'T ruin Lotus!!
>To say any driver did something along those lines is pure
>silliness, that only RRP could think of!!

Why don't you just admit it, it's all Eddie's fault Lotus died.  And
remember the 1987 stockmarket crash?  I heard that started when Eddie
sold his Guinness shares.

JamieD.

 
 
 

Eddie Irvine Killed Lotus!

Post by Gullive » Mon, 17 Nov 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
>Your wrong Cosgrove.  Lotus had pinned the last of there hopes on this
>chassis which was looking promising.

It was the new Mugen engine which lotus had at the Italian GP for
Herbert, not a new chassis iirc.

But the team was in terminal decline.

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Eddie Irvine Killed Lotus!

Post by Tom Cosgra » Mon, 17 Nov 1997 04:00:00



Quote:

> Why don't you just admit it, it's all Eddie's fault Lotus died.  And
> remember the 1987 stockmarket crash?  I heard that started when Eddie
> sold his Guinness shares.

> JamieD.

HAHAHA - Good one Jamie :-)

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Eddie Irvine Killed Lotus!

Post by Dred » Mon, 17 Nov 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
> I remember in 1994 at the Italian GP that Eddie Irvine did one of his
> famous starts and managed to take out Johnny Herbert in the Lotus at the
> first chicane.  Herbert had qualified 4th in the new Lotus chassis which
> was a major improvement over the previous one they had been using all
> year.

> Johnny was forced to restart in the old car and from what I remember had
> a pretty dismal race.  Had he been able to get past the first start
> without being shoved up the backside maybe he would have gone on to get
> at least a podium position and maybe Lotus would have not had to close
> shop at the end of 1994.

I had also heard that Eddie Irvine is responsible for the JFK Assasination
(There was apparently an orange helmeted guy on the grassy knoll). On top
of that he is also responsible for world famine, global warming and the
current Mir space station problems as well.

If Sauber goes bust will it be Irvine's fault as well since he took Herbert
off at the 97 Melbourne GP with Villeneuve?

I also suppose Irvine was responsible for the years of mis-management and
the debts as well!

He isn't the greatest of drivers, but being resposible for the lotus
bankruptcy is taking things a little too far

Dredd.

 
 
 

Eddie Irvine Killed Lotus!

Post by CaptGrim » Tue, 18 Nov 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

>Date: Sun, Nov 16, 1997 03:34 EST

>I remember in 1994 at the Italian GP that Eddie Irvine did one of >his famous

 starts and managed to take out Johnny Herbert in the >Lotus at the first
 chicane.  Herbert had qualified 4th in the new >Lotus chassis which was a
 major improvement over the previous >one they had been using all year.
Quote:

>Johnny was forced to restart in the old car and from what >I >remember had a

 pretty dismal race.  Had he been able to get past >the first start without
 being shoved up the backside maybe he >would have  gone on to get at least a
 podium position and maybe >Lotus would have not had to close shop at the end
 of 1994.

Actually, it was the same chassis.  It was a new spec Mugen that powered him to
 that spot on the grid.  His T car had the old spec engine.

If you're going to blame anyone for the fall of Lotus, blame the management and
 the loss of the engine deal, not Eddie Irvine.  

Grimes

 
 
 

Eddie Irvine Killed Lotus!

Post by DRIESSEN Miche » Tue, 18 Nov 1997 04:00:00

Indeed, Johny did qualify on 4th spot but his good result was not due to a
new chassis. Lotus was driving with Mugen-Honda engines in those days and
Johny had a brand new and much more performing engine during qualifying.

Although it was a whole new engine, they decided to use it in the race but
than stupid Eddie helped Johny to destroy his chances.

M.D.


Quote:
>I remember in 1994 at the Italian GP that Eddie Irvine did one of his
>famous starts and managed to take out Johnny Herbert in the Lotus at the
>first chicane.  Herbert had qualified 4th in the new Lotus chassis which
>was a major improvement over the previous one they had been using all
>year.

>Johnny was forced to restart in the old car and from what I remember had
>a pretty dismal race.  Had he been able to get past the first start
>without being shoved up the backside maybe he would have gone on to get
>at least a podium position and maybe Lotus would have not had to close
>shop at the end of 1994.

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Eddie Irvine Killed Lotus!

Post by Alan Gauto » Wed, 19 Nov 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> I remember in 1994 at the Italian GP that Eddie Irvine did one of his
> famous starts and managed to take out Johnny Herbert in the Lotus at the
> first chicane.  Herbert had qualified 4th in the new Lotus chassis which
> was a major improvement over the previous one they had been using all
> year.

> Johnny was forced to restart in the old car and from what I remember had
> a pretty dismal race.  Had he been able to get past the first start
> without being shoved up the backside maybe he would have gone on to get
> at least a podium position and maybe Lotus would have not had to close
> shop at the end of 1994.

From what I remember, the new Lotus was actually the old Lotus with a
new improved Mugen engine, significantly more powerful than the older
model. It was a lighter engine as well, making the car more driveable.

Anyway, even if Lotus had won the race, it's doubtful that it would have
saved the team, when Herbert was regarded as the most valuable asset
available at the time.

It also depends on your vision of closure. The team was effectively
closed at the end of '94, before being linked in name to Pacific for
'95. Pacific have now closed down also, so there is no direct link there
either.

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