Montoya ruins McLarens chances of having a 1-2 since the year 2000!!!!

Montoya ruins McLarens chances of having a 1-2 since the year 2000!!!!

Post by ocea » Mon, 22 Aug 2005 22:56:40


in the last lap

 
 
 

Montoya ruins McLarens chances of having a 1-2 since the year 2000!!!!

Post by Wc.. » Mon, 22 Aug 2005 23:44:39

You mean that Monteiro ruined Mclaren 1-2. He slammed Montoya of the
track and destroyed Montoya's rear diffuser which caused him to loose
alot of downforce at the rear end of the car. In the very fast corner
at turn 8 ( need alot of downforce threw that corner ), the rear end
had no grip which ended up Montoya running wide.

 
 
 

Montoya ruins McLarens chances of having a 1-2 since the year 2000!!!!

Post by Prober » Mon, 22 Aug 2005 23:54:13


Quote:
> You mean that Monteiro ruined Mclaren 1-2. He slammed Montoya of the
> track and destroyed Montoya's rear diffuser which caused him to loose
> alot of downforce at the rear end of the car. In the very fast corner
> at turn 8 ( need alot of downforce threw that corner ), the rear end
> had no grip which ended up Montoya running wide.

Odd that both the 'team radio' to Kimi after he finished and Ron Dennis, to
ITV's Ted Kravitz, both said it was entirely down to a long-standing
flat-spot on the front right tyre of Montoya's car that just got away from
him as he went through turn 8, with Alonso now on his tail.

You can pretty much guarantee that Ron, particularly, would have been
jumping up and down with indignation had it been entirely down to Montiero
rear-ending the McLaren. He wasn't.

Cheers,
Probert.

 
 
 

Montoya ruins McLarens chances of having a 1-2 since the year 2000!!!!

Post by kmtan.. » Tue, 23 Aug 2005 01:22:09

Montoya is just embarrassing.
 
 
 

Montoya ruins McLarens chances of having a 1-2 since the year 2000!!!!

Post by Bigbir » Tue, 23 Aug 2005 01:31:10

Quote:



> > You mean that Monteiro ruined Mclaren 1-2. He slammed Montoya of the
> > track and destroyed Montoya's rear diffuser which caused him to
> > loose alot of downforce at the rear end of the car. In the very
> > fast corner at turn 8 ( need alot of downforce threw that corner ),
> > the rear end had no grip which ended up Montoya running wide.

> Odd that both the 'team radio' to Kimi after he finished and Ron
> Dennis, to ITV's Ted Kravitz, both said it was entirely down to a
> long-standing flat-spot on the front right tyre of Montoya's car that
> just got away from him as he went through turn 8, with Alonso now on
> his tail.

Not really. Did you consider that at that time the team may were unaware of
the consequences of Montiero's collision.

Quote:

> You can pretty much guarantee that Ron, particularly, would have been
> jumping up and down with indignation had it been entirely down to
> Montiero rear-ending the McLaren. He wasn't.

Ron Dennis was his normal pragmatic sounding seething under the skin self.
He may well know better of the causes now which were likely a combination of
bothe tyre wear and collision damage.
 
 
 

Montoya ruins McLarens chances of having a 1-2 since the year 2000!!!!

Post by Dare » Tue, 23 Aug 2005 01:35:21


Quote:
> You mean that Monteiro ruined Mclaren 1-2. He slammed Montoya of the
> track and destroyed Montoya's rear diffuser which caused him to loose
> alot of downforce at the rear end of the car. In the very fast corner
> at turn 8 ( need alot of downforce threw that corner ), the rear end
> had no grip which ended up Montoya running wide.

It is interesting that the only person this appears to keep happening to is
Montoya.  He said he was cruising at that point.  Why take the risk and cut
in front of a backmarker so closely?  If he had backed off the pace at that
point (3 laps left), what difference would it make if he didn't get the
optimal line into that corner.

Montoya's fault, in my opinion.  He just can't admit it.

 
 
 

Montoya ruins McLarens chances of having a 1-2 since the year 2000!!!!

Post by Wayne Stua » Tue, 23 Aug 2005 02:16:04

Quote:



> > You mean that Monteiro ruined Mclaren 1-2. He slammed Montoya of the
> > track and destroyed Montoya's rear diffuser which caused him to loose
> > alot of downforce at the rear end of the car. In the very fast corner
> > at turn 8 ( need alot of downforce threw that corner ), the rear end
> > had no grip which ended up Montoya running wide.

> Odd that both the 'team radio' to Kimi after he finished and Ron Dennis, to
> ITV's Ted Kravitz, both said it was entirely down to a long-standing
> flat-spot on the front right tyre of Montoya's car that just got away from
> him as he went through turn 8, with Alonso now on his tail.

Combination of the two things, coupled with now having to push to keep
ahead of Alonso?  The proverbial straw that broke the camal's back?

Quote:
> You can pretty much guarantee that Ron, particularly, would have been
> jumping up and down with indignation had it been entirely down to Montiero
> rear-ending the McLaren. He wasn't.

At that time, they couldn't have known what damage was done to the car.

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Montoya ruins McLarens chances of having a 1-2 since the year 2000!!!!

Post by dyla » Tue, 23 Aug 2005 02:29:57

Quote:
> in the last lap

Come on, it just might have been windy on that corner (like it was for MS
yesterday) :O)
 
 
 

Montoya ruins McLarens chances of having a 1-2 since the year 2000!!!!

Post by Dave Bake » Tue, 23 Aug 2005 03:20:59


Quote:
> You mean that Monteiro ruined Mclaren 1-2. He slammed Montoya of the
> track and destroyed Montoya's rear diffuser which caused him to loose
> alot of downforce at the rear end of the car. In the very fast corner
> at turn 8 ( need alot of downforce threw that corner ), the rear end
> had no grip which ended up Montoya running wide.

His 'off' was nothing to do with loss of downforce which was just Montoya
trying to throw the press off the scent and make it look less like his own
fault. In fact the diffuser on the McLaren doesn't contribute significantly
to downforce, it's there to disrupt the air and reduce downforce for any car
close behind. The car itself can lap as fast without the diffuser as with
it.

What actually happened was Montoya flat spotted the front right tyre earlier
in the race which caused a vibration problem similar, but not as bad of
course, to what caused Kimi's suspension failure earlier in the season. He
backed off to keep this under control which was why his lap times suddenly
increased dramatically. Alonso was able to push him closely at the end of
the race because the diffuser was broken and not disrupting the airflow
behind Montoya's car. Montoya had to therefore push harder than he really
wanted to stay ahead and just lost it.
--
Dave Baker

 
 
 

Montoya ruins McLarens chances of having a 1-2 since the year 2000!!!!

Post by Richard Mille » Tue, 23 Aug 2005 03:36:20



Quote:



>> You mean that Monteiro ruined Mclaren 1-2. He slammed Montoya of the
>> track and destroyed Montoya's rear diffuser which caused him to loose
>> alot of downforce at the rear end of the car. In the very fast corner
>> at turn 8 ( need alot of downforce threw that corner ), the rear end
>> had no grip which ended up Montoya running wide.

>Odd that both the 'team radio' to Kimi after he finished and Ron Dennis, to
>ITV's Ted Kravitz, both said it was entirely down to a long-standing
>flat-spot on the front right tyre of Montoya's car that just got away from
>him as he went through turn 8, with Alonso now on his tail.

>You can pretty much guarantee that Ron, particularly, would have been
>jumping up and down with indignation had it been entirely down to Montiero
>rear-ending the McLaren. He wasn't.

But it was. If Monteiro hadn't rear-ended Montoya, Alonso would not have
been close enough to capitalise on Montoya running wide, whatever the
cause.
--
Richard Miller
 
 
 

Montoya ruins McLarens chances of having a 1-2 since the year 2000!!!!

Post by Paul- » Tue, 23 Aug 2005 04:20:21

Quote:

> Montoya's fault, in my opinion.

Wow! Can we have glimpse of you qualifications? Otherwise your opinion
is worth chickenshit.

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Montoya ruins McLarens chances of having a 1-2 since the year 2000!!!!

Post by Gumb » Tue, 23 Aug 2005 04:28:00

Chickenshit, I say. Absolute chickenshit! Take that! Woo hoo!

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Montoya ruins McLarens chances of having a 1-2 since the year 2000!!!!

Post by Doc Knutse » Tue, 23 Aug 2005 06:39:56

Quote:



>>You mean that Monteiro ruined Mclaren 1-2. He slammed Montoya of the
>>track and destroyed Montoya's rear diffuser which caused him to loose
>>alot of downforce at the rear end of the car. In the very fast corner
>>at turn 8 ( need alot of downforce threw that corner ), the rear end
>>had no grip which ended up Montoya running wide.

> His 'off' was nothing to do with loss of downforce which was just Montoya
> trying to throw the press off the scent and make it look less like his own
> fault. In fact the diffuser on the McLaren doesn't contribute significantly
> to downforce, it's there to disrupt the air and reduce downforce for any car
> close behind. The car itself can lap as fast without the diffuser as with
> it.

Sorry to have to be so blunt, but what you have said is absolute
rubbish. The underbody downforce comes from the raked bottom of the car
acting as the throat of the venturi, with the air exiting through the
diffuser being crucial to maintaining the underbody downforce. If the
diffuser is indeed damaged, a great deal of downforce will be lost.
  Doc

(rest of rubbish snipped)

 
 
 

Montoya ruins McLarens chances of having a 1-2 since the year 2000!!!!

Post by Da Fra » Tue, 23 Aug 2005 06:43:59

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 15:54:13 +0100, "Probert"

Quote:



>> You mean that Monteiro ruined Mclaren 1-2. He slammed Montoya of the
>> track and destroyed Montoya's rear diffuser which caused him to loose
>> alot of downforce at the rear end of the car. In the very fast corner
>> at turn 8 ( need alot of downforce threw that corner ), the rear end
>> had no grip which ended up Montoya running wide.

>Odd that both the 'team radio' to Kimi after he finished and Ron Dennis, to
>ITV's Ted Kravitz, both said it was entirely down to a long-standing
>flat-spot on the front right tyre of Montoya's car that just got away from
>him as he went through turn 8, with Alonso now on his tail.

Read the post race comments on formula1.com. Rear diffuser was broken,
but this didn't show up on the next couple of turns and the car felt
fine, so he put his foot back down, which he had to with Alonso only a
second behind, and lost it through turn 8.
Ron & Co would have only found out about the broken part after they
could look at it in parc ferme. If there was a known flat spot, then i
guess it would have been the logical conclusion, seeing that JPM had
this circuit well and truely sussed..

Quote:
>You can pretty much guarantee that Ron, particularly, would have been
>jumping up and down with indignation had it been entirely down to Montiero
>rear-ending the McLaren. He wasn't.

What could he do ? JPM will not be given the second place back.

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Montoya ruins McLarens chances of having a 1-2 since the year 2000!!!!

Post by Da Fra » Tue, 23 Aug 2005 06:58:03

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 19:20:59 +0100, "Dave Baker"

Quote:

>His 'off' was nothing to do with loss of downforce which was just Montoya
>trying to throw the press off the scent and make it look less like his own
>fault. In fact the diffuser on the McLaren doesn't contribute significantly
>to downforce, it's there to disrupt the air and reduce downforce for any car
>close behind. The car itself can lap as fast without the diffuser as with
>it.

Pardon ? The diffuser is responsible for removing air and turbulance
from under the car, in fact creating downforce(or suction). Not sure
about how much this helps the car on scale from 0-100, but even if
this effect is just very little, having it removed all of a sudden
will catch out anyone on a known corner.

Quote:
>What actually happened was Montoya flat spotted the front right tyre earlier
>in the race which caused a vibration problem similar, but not as bad of
>course, to what caused Kimi's suspension failure earlier in the season. He
>backed off to keep this under control which was why his lap times suddenly
>increased dramatically. Alonso was able to push him closely at the end of
>the race because the diffuser was broken and not disrupting the airflow
>behind Montoya's car. Montoya had to therefore push harder than he really
>wanted to stay ahead and just lost it.

Um.. Alonso was how far behind when Monteiro hit and spun JPM ? On
average a spin like that would lose some 10-15 seconds..
That had to be some long stick he was using to push JPM with 3 laps to
go.

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Regards, Frank