Bernie wants Schumacher and Ferrari to win the championship?

Bernie wants Schumacher and Ferrari to win the championship?

Post by A.J. Basset » Thu, 25 Sep 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

> Although I cheer for Schumi (because he is the best driver) to become the
> world champion for the third time, I think he gets a lot of help from some
> other guys.
> Why was the race in Estoril pulled out of the season? Well, just remember
> who were the winners last 5 years. Williams drivers won the race there in
> 1992, 1994, 1995 and 1996, right?
> It seems that Damon, Ralf, Eddie, Giancarlo And maybe even Heinz-Harald all
> helped a lot Schumi through the season. Why?
> Why was that pace car in Spa? Why did Schumi payed only the fine for pit
> lane speeding in Hungaroring?
> Finally, remember that Ferrari won its last championship in 1979, with Jody
> Scheckter. And this is the 50th anniversary of Ferrari in racing. It seems
> that Bernie wants to help Ferrari and Schumacher to become the champions
> again. You know, that could maybe bring back some of the old glory and
> passion of Formula 1. F1 became so predictable these years. Williams and
> only Williams. And if it changes, it could bring much more money to Bernie.
> Is it true? Does Bernie (and other guys) really work against Williams. Does
> he really help people from Maranello?
> But, you know, that doesn't change the way I feel about Schumacher. I still
> hope that he will do it, despite the poor performances in last 2 races. I
> would only like it to be more fair, to be deserved and right on the track.
> Not in some strange and dark rooms.

Above and beyond all that you speculate, there is one intriguing and
substantial reason why Bernie and FIA would prefer a Schumacher victory:
$$$$$$$

Unlike Jacques, now only in his second season, MS has a *huge* following
in comparison to JV.  What does this all mean?  Well, it means $10's of
millions of more dollars in MS 1997 World Champion paraphernalia sales
(hats, tee-shirts, etc. etc.)

Jacques really doesn't have a substantial fan base outside of Canada -
with exception to a few scattered fans here and there (and Canada isn't
exactly on pins and needles over JC and F1 right now).  MS, OTHO, has
incredible appeal in Europe where F1, with exception to football, is the
most popular and followed sport.  While many people worship MS as a
racing, nay, sport God, they treat JV with contempt and in extreme
cases, hatred.  Just look at the ignorant language used often on the
newsgroup.  Considering that it is *just* motorcar racing, it's quite
silly and sometimes shameful the things that are said around here.

The bottom line affects policy and helpful "decisions" made by Bernie
and the FIA.  No speed violation penalty for MS in  the pits, mysterious
selection of tyres with a pace car, an astounding nine-race suspended
sentence for JV, just to name a few outward examples of possible
"higher" manipulations.  Of course, short of slashing JV's tyres, the
FIA can't "force" a MS World Championship, but it most certainly can
affect the final outcome.

It's all in the money you see?

A.J.

 
 
 

Bernie wants Schumacher and Ferrari to win the championship?

Post by Vedran Draci » Fri, 26 Sep 1997 04:00:00

Although I cheer for Schumi (because he is the best driver) to become the
world champion for the third time, I think he gets a lot of help from some
other guys.
Why was the race in Estoril pulled out of the season? Well, just remember
who were the winners last 5 years. Williams drivers won the race there in
1992, 1994, 1995 and 1996, right?
It seems that Damon, Ralf, Eddie, Giancarlo And maybe even Heinz-Harald all
helped a lot Schumi through the season. Why?
Why was that pace car in Spa? Why did Schumi payed only the fine for pit
lane speeding in Hungaroring?
Finally, remember that Ferrari won its last championship in 1979, with Jody
Scheckter. And this is the 50th anniversary of Ferrari in racing. It seems
that Bernie wants to help Ferrari and Schumacher to become the champions
again. You know, that could maybe bring back some of the old glory and
passion of Formula 1. F1 became so predictable these years. Williams and
only Williams. And if it changes, it could bring much more money to Bernie.
Is it true? Does Bernie (and other guys) really work against Williams. Does
he really help people from Maranello?
But, you know, that doesn't change the way I feel about Schumacher. I still
hope that he will do it, despite the poor performances in last 2 races. I
would only like it to be more fair, to be deserved and right on the track.
Not in some strange and dark rooms.

 
 
 

Bernie wants Schumacher and Ferrari to win the championship?

Post by BriG » Fri, 26 Sep 1997 04:00:00

On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:44:38 +0200, "Vedran Dracic"

Quote:

>Although I cheer for Schumi (because he is the best driver) to become the
>world champion for the third time, I think he gets a lot of help from some
>other guys.
>Why was the race in Estoril pulled out of the season? Well, just remember
>who were the winners last 5 years. Williams drivers won the race there in
>1992, 1994, 1995 and 1996, right?
>It seems that Damon, Ralf, Eddie, Giancarlo And maybe even Heinz-Harald all
>helped a lot Schumi through the season. Why?
>Why was that pace car in Spa? Why did Schumi payed only the fine for pit
>lane speeding in Hungaroring?
>Finally, remember that Ferrari won its last championship in 1979, with Jody
>Scheckter. And this is the 50th anniversary of Ferrari in racing. It seems
>that Bernie wants to help Ferrari and Schumacher to become the champions
>again. You know, that could maybe bring back some of the old glory and
>passion of Formula 1. F1 became so predictable these years. Williams and
>only Williams. And if it changes, it could bring much more money to Bernie.
>Is it true? Does Bernie (and other guys) really work against Williams. Does
>he really help people from Maranello?
>But, you know, that doesn't change the way I feel about Schumacher. I still
>hope that he will do it, despite the poor performances in last 2 races. I
>would only like it to be more fair, to be deserved and right on the track.
>Not in some strange and dark rooms.

All I can say on that theory is: 10-second stop-and-go penalty.

If there was a *** to put MS in the lead, this fact puts that
theory to rest.  One might argue that there is now plenty of anxiety
over who might win such a close battle for WC, but I feel that
Williams has made some costly errors, and Ferrari has been right
there, ready to take advantage of them.  

If Williams wins WC  - Constructor's champion is practically a given,
due to EI's dreadful performance - then it's fortunate (read: lucky)
for them.  If Ferrari stays ahead, it's due to superior tactics.

--

BriGuy

"And now, the first rule of-a Italian driving...
 what is behind me is not important!"

    - Franco (Raul Julia), from The Gumball Rally

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Bernie wants Schumacher and Ferrari to win the championship?

Post by Stefan.We.. » Fri, 26 Sep 1997 04:00:00



To me, you don't make much sense, to be honest. Let me explain:

Quote:
> Although I cheer for Schumi (because he is the best driver) to become the
> world champion for the third time, I think he gets a lot of help from some
> other guys.
> Why was the race in Estoril pulled out of the season? Well, just remember
> who were the winners last 5 years. Williams drivers won the race there in
> 1992, 1994, 1995 and 1996, right?

Fine. But Estoril had problems of its own this year. And basically NONE of
the teams agreed to have it back as 18th race.

Quote:
> It seems that Damon, Ralf, Eddie, Giancarlo And maybe even Heinz-Harald all
> helped a lot Schumi through the season. Why?

Yes, why - should they do so, even if Bernie wanted Ferrari to win ? Why
should HH help Michael, and then give word to his team that he had been
passed under yellow flag, which lost Michael 5 points ? Ok, Eddie has to
help Michael, and Ralf maybe (?) does sometimes, if he has a chance to
(but he did not in Austria!). And Fisi helped him by putting himself off
voluntarily, pretending he tried to pass ? And Damon did not hesitate to
pass him in Hungary, great help indeed !

Quote:
> Why was that pace car in Spa? Why did Schumi payed only the fine for pit
> lane speeding in Hungaroring?

Probably because it was in practice and not in race ?

Quote:
> Finally, remember that Ferrari won its last championship in 1979, with Jody
> Scheckter. And this is the 50th anniversary of Ferrari in racing. It seems
> that Bernie wants to help Ferrari and Schumacher to become the champions
> again. You know, that could maybe bring back some of the old glory and
> passion of Formula 1. F1 became so predictable these years. Williams and
> only Williams. And if it changes, it could bring much more money to Bernie.
> Is it true? Does Bernie (and other guys) really work against Williams. Does
> he really help people from Maranello?

Why was the 2nd race (Brazil ?) this year restarted, so that Villeneuve
could win it, although he already was practically off at the time ? And
why was the 3rd (Argentine?) race NOT restarted, so that Michael could
not go back to start with the T-car after his accident ? Why was Mika
H?kkinen disqualified in Spa ?

Very clear that all these decisions were in favour of Ferrari, I'd say :-)

Quote:
> But, you know, that doesn't change the way I feel about Schumacher. I still
> hope that he will do it, despite the poor performances in last 2 races. I
> would only like it to be more fair, to be deserved and right on the track.
> Not in some strange and dark rooms.

My opinion exactly. But if anyone had advantage of strange decisions this
year, it wasn't Michael.

regards

Stevie

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Bernie wants Schumacher and Ferrari to win the championship?

Post by Mark O » Fri, 26 Sep 1997 04:00:00

There is no ***. The FIA has been very fair to both Schu and JV. A pass
under the yellow flag simply cannot be ignored, and JV 1 race ban suspended
for 9 races was appropriate for ignoring yellow flags 3 TIMES!!!. Its been
very fair this year, and Willy should have clinched both titles by now, but
due to errors in driving and tactics...they are still in a battle. I agree
that Irve has not been of much help.

Mark

 
 
 

Bernie wants Schumacher and Ferrari to win the championship?

Post by Vedran Draci » Fri, 26 Sep 1997 04:00:00

Quote:
>All I can say on that theory is: 10-second stop-and-go penalty.

>If there was a *** to put MS in the lead, this fact puts that
>theory to rest.

No, no and no! That passing under yellow flag was too obvious. They couldn't
leave him without a penalty. At least, not this time.

Quote:
>One might argue that there is now plenty of anxiety
>over who might win such a close battle for WC, but I feel that
>Williams has made some costly errors, and Ferrari has been right
>there, ready to take advantage of them.

Yes, it's absolutely true. But that's not the crucial factor.

Quote:
>If Williams wins WC  - Constructor's champion is practically a given,
>due to EI's dreadful performance - then it's fortunate (read: lucky)
>for them.  If Ferrari stays ahead, it's due to superior tactics.

Well, I agree that Williams cars weren't at their best through the season.
It wouldn't be good, if that was a really big ***. I just said that
Bernie would like to see Ferrari and Schumi to win, and sometimes he's doing
some little  things to help them. You know, he won't disqualify Jacques
without a reason or anything like that.
Somebody could remember 1976 season when organization did a lot of things
(under pressure from Ferrari) to help Niki Lauda and Ferrari to win both
titles. Unlucky for Lauda (who was REALLY unlucky that season), James Hunt
became the world champion that year.
 
 
 

Bernie wants Schumacher and Ferrari to win the championship?

Post by A.J. Basset » Sat, 27 Sep 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> There is no ***. The FIA has been very fair to both Schu and JV. A pass
> under the yellow flag simply cannot be ignored, and JV 1 race ban suspended
> for 9 races was appropriate for ignoring yellow flags 3 TIMES!!!.

ack...for heaven's sake, why does everyone think he'd done it three
times - he hasn't - I repeat, JV has not violated the yellow flag rule
three times...he's violated the rule *2* times, and those violations
were for driving too fast (certainly not for passing).

The other violation that JV committed was for falling too far back
behind the pace car during a yellow flag.  For that, he got a two-race
suspended ban (which itself was rather harsh because falling back isn't
putting anyone's health at risk).

There, the matter is ended.

A.J.