Coulthard pulls a "Schumacher" and gets "Villeneuved"

Coulthard pulls a "Schumacher" and gets "Villeneuved"

Post by Alpha_O » Tue, 14 Apr 1998 04:00:00


That saying has been in my head since i saw the race

just thought i'd share it with all of you.

 
 
 

Coulthard pulls a "Schumacher" and gets "Villeneuved"

Post by Rolf Maur » Wed, 15 Apr 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
>That saying has been in my head since i saw the race

>just thought i'd share it with all of you.

Anyone else notice this:

In Jerez, Villeneuve in an obviously faster car moves inside on
Schumacher to overtake. Schumacher cuts across ("shuts the door" is I
think the accepted euphemism) in an effort to punt Villeneuve; but
it's the overtaking car that stays on the track, the defending car
that loses it.

In Argentina, Schumacher in an obviously (slightly) faster car moves
inside on Coulthard to overtake. Coulthard cuts across ("shuts the
door" is I think the accepted euphemism) in an effort to punt
Schumacher; but it's the overtaking car that stays on the track, the
defending car that loses it.

Again in Argentina, Coulthard in an obviously (much) faster car moves
_out_side (this time) on Villeneuve to overtake. Villeneuve cuts
across ("shuts the door" is I think the accepted euphemism) in an
effort to punt Coulthard; but it's the overtaking car that stays on
the track, the defending car that loses it.

Coincidence, or an encouraging trend?

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Quid Malmborg in Plano
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Coulthard pulls a "Schumacher" and gets "Villeneuved"

Post by André Prége » Thu, 16 Apr 1998 04:00:00



Quote:

>>That saying has been in my head since i saw the race

>>just thought i'd share it with all of you.

>Anyone else notice this:

>In Jerez, Villeneuve in an obviously faster car moves inside on
>Schumacher to overtake. Schumacher cuts across ("shuts the door" is I
>think the accepted euphemism) in an effort to punt Villeneuve; but
>it's the overtaking car that stays on the track, the defending car
>that loses it.

>In Argentina, Schumacher in an obviously (slightly) faster car moves
>inside on Coulthard to overtake. Coulthard cuts across ("shuts the
>door" is I think the accepted euphemism) in an effort to punt
>Schumacher; but it's the overtaking car that stays on the track, the
>defending car that loses it.

>Again in Argentina, Coulthard in an obviously (much) faster car moves
>_out_side (this time) on Villeneuve to overtake. Villeneuve cuts
>across ("shuts the door" is I think the accepted euphemism) in an
>effort to punt Coulthard; but it's the overtaking car that stays on
>the track, the defending car that loses it.

>Coincidence, or an encouraging trend?

>________________________________

>Quid Malmborg in Plano
>________________________________

The incidents are not, IMO, similar, except for the fact they happened
in a curve and the inside car stayed on the track (and MS is involved)

Jerez: JV dives inside MS, wo's on the correct racing line, trying to
outbreak him, in the classic, boring way.  This all happens under
MAXIMUM breaking for both cars, BEFORE the apex. There is nothing
JV could of done to avoid the collision.

Argentinia:  MS takes the correct inside line un DC, after missing is
breaking point and/or sliding wide.  DC tries to "shut the door" on
MS, the collision occurs AFTER the apex, under acceleration.  The
accident was avoidable, MS could of lifted (not saying that he should
off) , I don't think DC should close the door that way.....

 
 
 

Coulthard pulls a "Schumacher" and gets "Villeneuved"

Post by Alex Brow » Thu, 16 Apr 1998 04:00:00

Quote:
>Argentinia:  MS takes the correct inside line un DC, after missing is
>breaking point and/or sliding wide.  DC tries to "shut the door" on
>MS, the collision occurs AFTER the apex, under acceleration.  The
>accident was avoidable, MS could of lifted (not saying that he should
>off) , I don't think DC should close the door that way.....

After watching the tape a couple of times I've decided that the collision
was mostly Schumacher's fault.  Coulthard had taken that same wide line with
a very late apex through that turn on earlier laps, Schumacher had seen this
and tried to take advantage of it (as he said in a post-race interview).
The problem is he botched the entry to the turn - locking up the front
inside wheel - and didn't get far enough up on Coulthard so that he could be
seen.  Coulthard continued the line he had taken earlier and hit
Schumacher's front wheel.

My 2 cents,
Alex

 
 
 

Coulthard pulls a "Schumacher" and gets "Villeneuved"

Post by Don Clayto » Thu, 16 Apr 1998 04:00:00

Quote:


> >That saying has been in my head since i saw the race

> >just thought i'd share it with all of you.

> Anyone else notice this:

> In Jerez, Villeneuve in an obviously faster car moves inside on
> Schumacher to overtake. Schumacher cuts across ("shuts the door" is I
> think the accepted euphemism) in an effort to punt Villeneuve; but
> it's the overtaking car that stays on the track, the defending car
> that loses it.

> In Argentina, Schumacher in an obviously (slightly) faster car moves
> inside on Coulthard to overtake. Coulthard cuts across ("shuts the
> door" is I think the accepted euphemism) in an effort to punt
> Schumacher; but it's the overtaking car that stays on the track, the
> defending car that loses it.

> Again in Argentina, Coulthard in an obviously (much) faster car moves
> _out_side (this time) on Villeneuve to overtake. Villeneuve cuts
> across ("shuts the door" is I think the accepted euphemism) in an
> effort to punt Coulthard; but it's the overtaking car that stays on
> the track, the defending car that loses it.

> Coincidence, or an encouraging trend?

It's like hockey.  Beat someone unconcious get a minor penalty.  Draw
*** get a major.  Hill in Hungary, Villeneuve in Japan, Schumacher
in Jerez, Coulthard in Argentina, Villeneuve in Argentina...all the
same thing, with the same intent.  Only Shumacher drew *** and got
a major.

Don