Yet another week that Lewis regrets leaving McLaren

Yet another week that Lewis regrets leaving McLaren

Post by AC » Thu, 28 Mar 2013 02:21:22


Quote:





>>>>> I knew it was the right move from day one.

>> No you didn't, you were dead against it as I recall.

> I wasn't actively posting here during the period in which Lewis made his decision. I just looked at my posting history.  The last post that I replied to, or started here (not including this thread) was on March 21st 2013, and before that was May 20th 2012.

> I haven t posted here from 5/20/2012 03/21/2013.  Which makes whatever you think that you recalled impossible.  When Lewis made his annoucement I didn't have a single post here during that period.  Next!!

Yeah, I bet you want to move on.

Which you can do when you stop making claims you cant or refuse to
substantiate.

--
AC

 
 
 

Yet another week that Lewis regrets leaving McLaren

Post by tonymi.. » Thu, 28 Mar 2013 02:45:56

Quote:






> >>>>> I knew it was the right move from day one.

> >> No you didn't, you were dead against it as I recall.

> > I wasn't actively posting here during the period in which Lewis made his decision. I just looked at my posting history.  The last post that I replied to, or started here (not including this thread) was on March 21st 2013, and before that was May 20th 2012.

> > I havent posted here from 5/20/2012 03/21/2013.  Which makes whatever you think that you recalled impossible.  When Lewis made his annoucement I didn't have a single post here during that period.  Next!!

> Yeah, I bet you want to move on.

> Which you can do when you stop making claims you cant or refuse to

> substantiate.

> --

> AC

Next time I'll make sure that all of my thoughts are put on the internet in the event that I'll need to defend them later on.   That's the only way I can substantiate what I said.  I can't substantiate thoughts (personal thoughts aren't loaded on to the internet) and you can't refute it.  Later.

 
 
 

Yet another week that Lewis regrets leaving McLaren

Post by tonymi.. » Thu, 28 Mar 2013 02:48:41

Quote:






> > > > > > I knew it was the right move from day one.

> > > No you didn't, you were dead against it as I recall.

> > Your recollection is incorrect.  

> As is yours I'd wager.

A wager that you would lose.   How can you recall me being against something, when during that time I wasn't actively posting anything on this board?  What are you basing your recollection on?

 
 
 

Yet another week that Lewis regrets leaving McLaren

Post by tonymi.. » Thu, 28 Mar 2013 02:54:39

Quote:










> >>>>>>>>> Is it too late for Lewis to get a McLaren deal for next season?

> >>>>>>>>> I???m sure that right now he's regretting leaving McLaren like the

> >>>>>>>>> Columnists and former F1 drivers said that he would.  Man those people are Smart.

> >>>>>>>>> Another few weeks of this and Lewis might have to quit just because of the shame.

> >>>>>>>> Again, the mistake is thinking performance was his reason for leaving.

> >>>>>>>> The relative performance of the Mclarens and Mercs is completely

> >>>>>>>> irrelevant. A happy bonus for Lewis, sure, but not the point.

> >>>>>>>> Hindsight wise, as some one who understood his move to Merc, there is

> >>>>>>>> cause for concern. If this business of a grumpy German faction in the

> >>>>>>>> team are to be believed, then Lewis might be in another shit storm. And

> >>>>>>>> ironically, the further to the front the car gets, the worse the

> >>>>>>>> tensions will be.

> >>>>>>>> --

> >>>>>>>> AC

> >>>>>>> I think that Lewis saw things at McLaren that let him believe that they

> >>>>>>> were going in the other direction.  No one was closer to the McLaren

> >>>>>>> team than Lewis.  Not the former F1 Drivers, not the Columnists.

> >>>>>>> So when I heard people calling it a mistake.  I said this is Arm Chair

> >>>>>>> Quarterbacking at it???s best.

> >>>>>> You can think that if you like. There is nothing logical or factual

> >>>>>> about it, but I guess it suits your position to try to sell it.

> >>>>>> It is actually laughable that you would have us believe that Lewis some

> >>>>>> how knew this new car would be a dud, and that some how he knew the new

> >>>>>> Merc would be better. The only person making that claim is you. On top

> >>>>>> of that we know know that Merc was a second choice at best.

> >>>>>> Ironic that then you accuse people of Arm Chair Quarter-backing.

> >>>>>> Amusing trolling and all that, well done you. Yes, we know people

> >>>>>> thought his move was a bad one, and the Merc car is way better than most

> >>>>>> thought it would be. Well, you noticed people got it wrong....... with

> >>>>>> the huge benefit of hind sight. So, not really that clever an

> >>>>>> observation is it?

> >>>>>> --

> >>>>>> AC

> >>>>> I knew it was the right move from day one.

> >>>> Fair enough. Prove it.

> >>>> --

> >>>> AC

> >>> OK.  I'll point you to my Blog where I said that it was a good idea last year.

> >> I bet you don't have one.

> >>> Oh... I don't have a blog.

> >> Oh, there we go.

> >>> I don't need to prove anything to you dude.

> >> No you don't. No at all. Equally,

...

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Yet another week that Lewis regrets leaving McLaren

Post by John Brigg » Thu, 28 Mar 2013 03:56:20


Quote:




>>>> Nah... He didn't get lucky.  He was just better equipped to make
>>>> the decision to leave (being a McLaren Employee and all), than
>>>> you are to critique the decision.

>>> Funny how the McLaren engineers thought they were making a fast car
>>> for 2013 but Lewis already knew they were wrong by September.

>> If I had known that McLaren were building a new car for 2012, I would
>> have been nervous.

> While your hindsight fuelled comments are as worthwhile as anyones I
> would have thought that most sensible people would think that McLaren
> were aiming to fix the flaws with the previous car which as far as you
> know was at the end of it's development potential.

Well, that is obviously "hindsight", because we didn't know that McLaren
were building a new car for 2013 - or are you going to claim that you
did? As far as I know, there are new regulations (and thus totally new
designs) for 2014. Has anyone else produced a new design for 2013? Far
from being at the end of its development potential, the 2012 car failed
to realise that potential last year. (Nobody knows exactly what was
wrong with last year's car - or with this year's, for that matter.
Before you fling the word "hindsight" around too much, why don't you
look at what I said at the time?
--
John Briggs
 
 
 

Yet another week that Lewis regrets leaving McLaren

Post by Bigbir » Thu, 28 Mar 2013 04:51:47

Quote:






> > > > > Nah... He didn't get lucky.  He was just better equipped to
> > > > > make the decision to leave (being a McLaren Employee and
> > > > > all), than you are to critique the decision.

> > > > Funny how the McLaren engineers thought they were making a fast
> > > > car for 2013 but Lewis already knew they were wrong by
> > > > September.

> > > If I had known that McLaren were building a new car for 2012, I
> > > would have been nervous.

> > While your hindsight fuelled comments are as worthwhile as anyones I
> > would have thought that most sensible people would think that
> > McLaren were aiming to fix the flaws with the previous car which as
> > far as you know was at the end of it's development potential.

> Well, that is obviously "hindsight", because we didn't know that
> McLaren were building a new car for 2013 - or are you going to claim
> that you did?

<sigh>

Try to stay relevent.

Knowing that their 2013 car has problems you now claim that if you had
known they were building it you would have been nervous.

If that is not hindsight then presumably when you found they had a new
car you expressed your concerns, didn't you?

Quote:
> As far as I know, there are new regulations (and thus
> totally new designs) for 2014. Has anyone else produced a new design
> for 2013? Far from being at the end of its development potential, the
> 2012 car failed to realise that potential last year. (Nobody knows
> exactly what was wrong with last year's car - or with this year's,
> for that matter. Before you fling the word "hindsight" around too
> much, why don't you look at what I said at the time?

Why don't you look at what I said.
 
 
 

Yet another week that Lewis regrets leaving McLaren

Post by Bigbir » Thu, 28 Mar 2013 04:55:12

Quote:







> > > > > > > I knew it was the right move from day one.

> > > > No you didn't, you were dead against it as I recall.

> > > Your recollection is incorrect.  

> > As is yours I'd wager.

> A wager that you would lose.  

Don't you get it yet.

Your hindsight fuelled nonsense has been exposed. You admit you said
nothing of the kind until after the event.

We can all claim unprovable thoughts we may or may not have had. Those
claims and more importantly assertions dependent on them are worthless.

 
 
 

Yet another week that Lewis regrets leaving McLaren

Post by tonymi.. » Thu, 28 Mar 2013 06:20:54

Quote:








> > > > > > > > I knew it was the right move from day one.

> > > > > No you didn't, you were dead against it as I recall.

> > > > Your recollection is incorrect.  

> > > As is yours I'd wager.

> > A wager that you would lose.  

> Don't you get it yet.

> Your hindsight fuelled nonsense has been exposed. You admit you said

> nothing of the kind until after the event.

> We can all claim unprovable thoughts we may or may not have had. Those

> claims and more importantly assertions dependent on them are worthless.

Didn't you say this; "No you didn't, you were dead against it as I recall."? (In reference to LH's McLaren move)  That's what I was responding too when I replied to you.  What exactly did you "recall" that I said?  I wasn't even posting on this board during that time yet you claim that I was "dead against it as I recall".  How can that be?    Its obvious that you just made that up.  Either that or you dont know what exactly is going on in your own mind.  
 
 
 

Yet another week that Lewis regrets leaving McLaren

Post by John Brigg » Fri, 29 Mar 2013 02:13:32


Quote:






>>>>>> Nah... He didn't get lucky.  He was just better equipped to
>>>>>> make the decision to leave (being a McLaren Employee and
>>>>>> all), than you are to critique the decision.

>>>>> Funny how the McLaren engineers thought they were making a fast
>>>>> car for 2013 but Lewis already knew they were wrong by
>>>>> September.

>>>> If I had known that McLaren were building a new car for 2012, I
>>>> would have been nervous.

>>> While your hindsight fuelled comments are as worthwhile as anyones I
>>> would have thought that most sensible people would think that
>>> McLaren were aiming to fix the flaws with the previous car which as
>>> far as you know was at the end of it's development potential.

>> Well, that is obviously "hindsight", because we didn't know that
>> McLaren were building a new car for 2013 - or are you going to claim
>> that you did?

> <sigh>

> Try to stay relevent.

> Knowing that their 2013 car has problems you now claim that if you had
> known they were building it you would have been nervous.

> If that is not hindsight then presumably when you found they had a new
> car you expressed your concerns, didn't you?

I wasn't really paying attention, but as far as I am aware, McLaren
didn't admit that it was really a "new" car until people noticed that it
was a dud.
--
John Briggs
 
 
 

Yet another week that Lewis regrets leaving McLaren

Post by Bigbir » Fri, 29 Mar 2013 02:33:36

Quote:









> > > > > > > > > I knew it was the right move from day one.

> > > > > > No you didn't, you were dead against it as I recall.

> > > > > Your recollection is incorrect.  

> > > > As is yours I'd wager.

> > > A wager that you would lose.  

> > Don't you get it yet.

> > Your hindsight fuelled nonsense has been exposed. You admit you said

> > nothing of the kind until after the event.

> > We can all claim unprovable thoughts we may or may not have had.
> > Those

> > claims and more importantly assertions dependent on them are
> > worthless.

> Didn't you say this; "No you didn't, you were dead against it as I
> recall."? (In reference to LH's McLaren move)  That's what I was
> responding too when I replied to you.  What exactly did you "recall"
> that I said?  I wasn't even posting on this board during that time
> yet you claim that I was "dead against it as I recall".  How can that
> be?    It???s obvious that you just made that up.  Either that or you
> don???t know what exactly is going on in your own mind.

It was a trap. You fell into it and enabled the above post to which you
have no response. Noted.
 
 
 

Yet another week that Lewis regrets leaving McLaren

Post by Bigbir » Fri, 29 Mar 2013 03:02:08

Quote:






> > > > > > On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 6:55:33 AM UTC+13,

> > > > > > > Nah... He didn't get lucky.  He was just better equipped
> > > > > > > to make the decision to leave (being a McLaren Employee
> > > > > > > and all), than you are to critique the decision.

> > > > > > Funny how the McLaren engineers thought they were making a
> > > > > > fast car for 2013 but Lewis already knew they were wrong by
> > > > > > September.

> > > > > If I had known that McLaren were building a new car for 2012,
> > > > > I would have been nervous.

> > > > While your hindsight fuelled comments are as worthwhile as
> > > > anyones I would have thought that most sensible people would
> > > > think that McLaren were aiming to fix the flaws with the
> > > > previous car which as far as you know was at the end of it's
> > > > development potential.

> > > Well, that is obviously "hindsight", because we didn't know that
> > > McLaren were building a new car for 2013 - or are you going to
> > > claim that you did?

> > <sigh>

> > Try to stay relevent.

> > Knowing that their 2013 car has problems you now claim that if you
> > had known they were building it you would have been nervous.

> > If that is not hindsight then presumably when you found they had a
> > new car you expressed your concerns, didn't you?

> I wasn't really paying attention, but as far as I am aware, McLaren
> didn't admit that it was really a "new" car until people noticed that
> it was a dud.

An admission that your opinion is derived soley from hindsight.

 "It's the same colour as last year, but under the skin this is so, so
different,"

Hint too subtle?

 
 
 

Yet another week that Lewis regrets leaving McLaren

Post by John Brigg » Fri, 29 Mar 2013 04:24:07


Quote:






>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 6:55:33 AM UTC+13,

>>>>>>>> Nah... He didn't get lucky.  He was just better equipped
>>>>>>>> to make the decision to leave (being a McLaren Employee
>>>>>>>> and all), than you are to critique the decision.

>>>>>>> Funny how the McLaren engineers thought they were making a
>>>>>>> fast car for 2013 but Lewis already knew they were wrong by
>>>>>>> September.

>>>>>> If I had known that McLaren were building a new car for 2012,
>>>>>> I would have been nervous.

>>>>> While your hindsight fuelled comments are as worthwhile as
>>>>> anyones I would have thought that most sensible people would
>>>>> think that McLaren were aiming to fix the flaws with the
>>>>> previous car which as far as you know was at the end of it's
>>>>> development potential.

>>>> Well, that is obviously "hindsight", because we didn't know that
>>>> McLaren were building a new car for 2013 - or are you going to
>>>> claim that you did?

>>> <sigh>

>>> Try to stay relevent.

>>> Knowing that their 2013 car has problems you now claim that if you
>>> had known they were building it you would have been nervous.

>>> If that is not hindsight then presumably when you found they had a
>>> new car you expressed your concerns, didn't you?

>> I wasn't really paying attention, but as far as I am aware, McLaren
>> didn't admit that it was really a "new" car until people noticed that
>> it was a dud.

> An admission that your opinion is derived soley from hindsight.

>   "It's the same colour as last year, but under the skin this is so, so
> different,"

> Hint too subtle?

Yes. On this, *everybody's* opinion is derived solely (note spelling)
from hindsight.
--
John Briggs
 
 
 

Yet another week that Lewis regrets leaving McLaren

Post by tonymi.. » Fri, 29 Mar 2013 06:58:23

Quote:










> > > > > > > > > > I knew it was the right move from day one.

> > > > > > > No you didn't, you were dead against it as I recall.

> > > > > > Your recollection is incorrect.  

> > > > > As is yours I'd wager.

> > > > A wager that you would lose.  

> > > Don't you get it yet.

> > > Your hindsight fuelled nonsense has been exposed. You admit you said

> > > nothing of the kind until after the event.

> > > We can all claim unprovable thoughts we may or may not have had.

> > > Those

> > > claims and more importantly assertions dependent on them are

> > > worthless.

> > Didn't you say this; "No you didn't, you were dead against it as I

> > recall."? (In reference to LH's McLaren move)  That's what I was

> > responding too when I replied to you.  What exactly did you "recall"

> > that I said?  I wasn't even posting on this board during that time

> > yet you claim that I was "dead against it as I recall".  How can that

> > be?    It s obvious that you just made that up.  Either that or you

> > don t know what exactly is going on in your own mind.

> It was a trap. You fell into it and enabled the above post to which you

> have no response. Noted.

And you think that people believe that crap?  LOL!!! You ran your trap about something that wasn't true and got caught.  Live with it.   And how did you spin it?  "It was a trap".  Funny...  Even if it was a trap (which it wasn't) that would make you a liar.   Either way you aren't looking to good right about now.  Enjoy
 
 
 

Yet another week that Lewis regrets leaving McLaren

Post by AC » Fri, 29 Mar 2013 17:27:07

Quote:











>>>>>>>>>>> Is it too late for Lewis to get a McLaren deal for next season?

>>>>>>>>>>> I m sure that right now he's regretting leaving McLaren like the

>>>>>>>>>>> Columnists and former F1 drivers said that he would.  Man those people are Smart.

>>>>>>>>>>> Another few weeks of this and Lewis might have to quit just because of the shame.

>>>>>>>>>> Again, the mistake is thinking performance was his reason for leaving.

>>>>>>>>>> The relative performance of the Mclarens and Mercs is completely

>>>>>>>>>> irrelevant. A happy bonus for Lewis, sure, but not the point.

>>>>>>>>>> Hindsight wise, as some one who understood his move to Merc, there is

>>>>>>>>>> cause for concern. If this business of a grumpy German faction in the

>>>>>>>>>> team are to be believed, then Lewis might be in another shit storm. And

>>>>>>>>>> ironically, the further to the front the car gets, the worse the

>>>>>>>>>> tensions will be.

>>>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>>>> AC

>>>>>>>>> I think that Lewis saw things at McLaren that let him believe that they

>>>>>>>>> were going in the other direction.  No one was closer to the McLaren

>>>>>>>>> team than Lewis.  Not the former F1 Drivers, not the Columnists.

>>>>>>>>> So when I heard people calling it a mistake.  I said this is Arm Chair

>>>>>>>>> Quarterbacking at it s best.

>>>>>>>> You can think that if you like. There is nothing logical or factual

>>>>>>>> about it, but I guess it suits your position to try to sell it.

>>>>>>>> It is actually laughable that you would have us believe that Lewis some

>>>>>>>> how knew this new car would be a dud, and that some how he knew the new

>>>>>>>> Merc would be better. The only person making that claim is you. On top

>>>>>>>> of that we know know that Merc was a second choice at best.

>>>>>>>> Ironic that then you accuse people of Arm Chair Quarter-backing.

>>>>>>>> Amusing trolling and all that, well done you. Yes, we know people

>>>>>>>> thought his move was a bad one, and the Merc car is way better than most

>>>>>>>> thought it would be. Well, you noticed people got it wrong....... with

>>>>>>>> the huge benefit of hind sight. So, not really that clever an

>>>>>>>> observation is it?

>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>> AC

>>>>>>> I knew it was the right move from day one.

>>>>>> Fair enough. Prove it.

>>>>>> --

>>>>>> AC

>>>>> OK.  I'll point you to my Blog where I said that it was a good idea last year.

>>>> I bet you don't have one.

>>>>> Oh... I don't have a blog.

>>>> Oh, there we go.

>>>>> I don't need to prove anything to you dude.

>>>> No you

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Yet another week that Lewis regrets leaving McLaren

Post by AC » Fri, 29 Mar 2013 17:30:33

Quote:







>>>>>>> I knew it was the right move from day one.

>>>> No you didn't, you were dead against it as I recall.

>>> I wasn't actively posting here during the period in which Lewis made his decision. I just looked at my posting history.  The last post that I replied to, or started here (not including this thread) was on March 21st 2013, and before that was May 20th 2012.

>>> I haven t posted here from 5/20/2012 03/21/2013.  Which makes whatever you think that you recalled impossible.  When Lewis made his annoucement I didn't have a single post here during that period.  Next!!

>> Yeah, I bet you want to move on.

>> Which you can do when you stop making claims you cant or refuse to

>> substantiate.

>> --

>> AC

> Next time I'll make sure that all of my thoughts are put on the internet in the event that I'll need to defend them later on.   That's the only way I can substantiate what I said.  I can't substantiate thoughts (personal thoughts aren't loaded on to the internet) and you can't refute it.  Later.

Yes, do so if you are going to try to elevate yourself above others
posting on the internet by making claims for your self. Yeah, you'd
better be able to prove yourself. Otherwise, like I have demonstrated,
you look like a liar.

I have given you enough chances to get yourself out of it. Your loss,
not mine.

--
AC