Yet another week that Lewis regrets leaving McLaren

Yet another week that Lewis regrets leaving McLaren

Post by RzR » Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:03:54



Quote:


>>> Yes.  And it hurts doesn't it?

>> you are a moron lol

> And you are one of those folks who's feeling hurt.  LOL!!

for what? hamilton would be just as fast if not faster in mclaren
 
 
 

Yet another week that Lewis regrets leaving McLaren

Post by RzR » Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:19:11


Quote:



>>>> Is it too late for Lewis to get a McLaren deal for next season?

>>>> I m sure that right now he's regretting leaving McLaren like the

>>>> Columnists and former F1 drivers said that he would.  Man those
>>>> people are Smart.

>>>> Another few weeks of this and Lewis might have to quit just because
>>>> of the shame.

>>> Again, the mistake is thinking performance was his reason for leaving.

>>> The relative performance of the Mclarens and Mercs is completely

>>> irrelevant. A happy bonus for Lewis, sure, but not the point.

>>> Hindsight wise, as some one who understood his move to Merc, there is

>>> cause for concern. If this business of a grumpy German faction in the

>>> team are to be believed, then Lewis might be in another shit storm. And

>>> ironically, the further to the front the car gets, the worse the

>>> tensions will be.

>>> --

>>> AC

>> I think that Lewis saw things at McLaren that let him believe that they
>> were going in the other direction.  No one was closer to the McLaren
>> team than Lewis.  Not the former F1 Drivers, not the Columnists.
>> So when I heard people calling it a mistake.  I said this is Arm Chair
>> Quarterbacking at it s best.

> You can think that if you like. There is nothing logical or factual
> about it, but I guess it suits your position to try to sell it.

> It is actually laughable that you would have us believe that Lewis some
> how knew this new car would be a dud, and that some how he knew the new
> Merc would be better. The only person making that claim is you. On top
> of that we know know that Merc was a second choice at best.

> Ironic that then you accuse people of Arm Chair Quarter-backing.

> Amusing trolling and all that, well done you. Yes, we know people
> thought his move was a bad one, and the Merc car is way better than most
> thought it would be. Well, you noticed people got it wrong....... with
> the huge benefit of hind sight. So, not really that clever an
> observation is it?

its probably not as much of a dud, as button and perez are mediocre
drivers...

 
 
 

Yet another week that Lewis regrets leaving McLaren

Post by Bigbir » Wed, 27 Mar 2013 18:25:14

Quote:




> >> > Is it too late for Lewis to get a McLaren deal for next season?
> Im >>
> >> > sure that right now he's regretting leaving McLaren like the
> >> > Columnists

> >> > and former F1 drivers said that he would.  Man those people are
> >> > Smart.

> >> > Another few weeks of this and Lewis might have to quit just
> because >> > of

> >> > the shame.

> >> What shame? facts of the past clearly shows he have no shame at
> all.  >>

> >> Edmund

> > What does that have to do with him leaving McLaren for
> > Mercedes-Benz?  Well since you brought it up (perhaps as a
> > deflection); what facts from the past shows that Lewis Hamilton has
> > no shame?  Please Answer?

> OK since you are obviously new here.
> There was an event on the Hungaroring...

6 years on...one has to question the mental health of an uninvolved
party who is struggling to move on.

 
 
 

Yet another week that Lewis regrets leaving McLaren

Post by Bigbir » Wed, 27 Mar 2013 18:28:33

Quote:



> > > I knew it was the right move from day one.

No you didn't, you were dead against it as I recall.
Quote:

> > Fair enough. Prove it.

> > --

> > AC

> OK.  I'll point you to my Blog where I said that it was a good idea
> last year.  Oh... I don't have a blog.  I don't need to prove
> anything to you dude.

 
 
 

Yet another week that Lewis regrets leaving McLaren

Post by Edmun » Wed, 27 Mar 2013 19:02:16

Quote:





>> >> > Is it too late for Lewis to get a McLaren deal for next season?
>> >> > Im

>> >> > sure that right now he's regretting leaving McLaren like the

>> >> > Columnists

>> >> > and former F1 drivers said that he would.  Man those people are

>> >> > Smart.

>> >> > Another few weeks of this and Lewis might have to quit just
>> >> > because

>> >> > of

>> >> > the shame.

>> >> What shame? facts of the past clearly shows he have no shame at all.

>> >> Edmund

>> > What does that have to do with him leaving McLaren for Mercedes-Benz?

>> > Well since you brought it up (perhaps as a deflection); what facts
>> > from

>> > the past shows that Lewis Hamilton has no shame?  Please Answer?

>> OK since you are obviously new here.

>> There was an event on the Hungaroring where there where made
>> appointments

>> about driving in front during the fuel burning rounds.

>> A  race before he was allowed to have the advantage and on the
>> Hungaroring

>> it was his his teammate's turn.

>> Even after his step daddy ( Ron Dennis ) ordered him several times to

>> move over, he literal said : "go ***ing swivel"  and took again the

>> advantage as he always did.

>> When his teammate retaliated by delaying him at the pit stop, in plain

>> view of everyone the dirty hypocrite said to the the press, something

>> like :

> Shouldn't Alonso be ashamed?

Not at all, do you really don't know what happened and why?
Ron Dennis explained it and even although he is Lewis step daddy and Ron
made no mistake on who was to blame here, which was Lewis!
No matter how that dirty hypocrite made it look like in the beginning.

Quote:
> Or is it ok to delay a team-mate as long
> as the team mate is Lewis Hamilton?  You can't see your double standard?
>   Its retaliation against Lewis, so doing something stupid is OK in that
> instance?  

Normally it is outrageous to hold up your teammate and I when I saw that
I could not believe my eyes! Not knowing what was going on at that moment
I said Alonso must be disqualified for that, that was my first reaction!
However -in that instance!! - after we heard what was happening, what
agreements where made AFTER Lewis ALWAYS took the advantage...
That changed my opinion completely.

Quote:
> Why aren't you calling out Alonso?

I hope it is clear for you, and I know If I was in Alonso's shoes, I
would -at least- have broken Lewis lying nose.

Quote:
> And you call Lewis a  Hypocrite

Yes I never have seen such a dirty hypocrite in F1 in my life.
Especially when he commented on TV about "everyone have seen what
Alonso's team did.."

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Quote:

>> you have seen what happened" What the dirty bastard didn't tell the
>> press

>> is what was agreed and how he took all the advantage each and every
>> time.

>> He even got rewarded at the time for his dirty behavior and got his

>> teammate penalised with his dirty tricks.

> His team mate (Alonso) got penalized because he delayed Lewis' pit-stop
> causing LH to miss his Hot-Lap.  But in your book it's OK to do that? So
> it was Lewis Hamilton that caused Alonso to wait in his pit stall long
> after he was signaled to be released?  Alonso was wrong for holding back
> Hamilton, yet you dont have a problem with that.  Why do you think
> Alonso got penalized?  I'd love to hear your answer?

I think it must be clear for you now and you understand the dirty
politics used by Lewis.
Most people here don't want to know that the intension of the rules are
the make an honest race with equal chances for each driver.
Lewis was the one who didn't like equal treatment he must have the
advantage and in an very sneaky manner he cheated.
What happened is that the very important fuel burning rounds and driving
in front with that and the possible additional fuel burning round for ONE
driver in some cases, Lewis TOOK all those advantages every time.
After the McLaren team made agreements about that they decided that Lewis
again would have the advantage at silverstone, and Alonso's turn was at
Hungaroring.....
So things went as planned at silverstone and at the hungaroring, things
went as usual, Lewis was ordered several times to move over, while he
should be behind Alonso in the first place, but he said " go ***ing
swivel" to the man he thanks everything he ever accomplished.
A real team player as he calls himself.

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Quote:

>> Apart from that he plain lied to the stewards on other occasions.

>> He even said at one occasion " I am a team player " that was really
>> funny.

>> Edmund

> Dude, the issues that you have with Lewis do not have anything to do
> with what you've just written (or his driving).  It is 100% personal.
> If anything Alonso should be just as much in shame, but that's ok with
> you because its retaliation?  Im not sure what Lewis has done to you
> to make you hate him as much as you do.

Don't be silly, I never even met that lying hyporite and I don't "hate"
him. Senna; Schumacher and others did dirty tricks too which I condemned
too at the time. The difference here is that eg Senna deliberately
punting out Mansell or Schumacher parking his car was clear for everyone
to see.
And not many fans/groupies trying to justify such actions.
With Lewis his sneaky dirty tricks is completely different, even though
everything is known now, still many are defending Lewis and blaming the
victim Alonso.
Competitive guys are not always the nicest persons on the earth you know,
they maybe competitive and winning but not always fair.

Edmund

 
 
 

Yet another week that Lewis regrets leaving McLaren

Post by AC » Wed, 27 Mar 2013 19:26:02

Quote:





>>>>> Is it too late for Lewis to get a McLaren deal for next season?
>> Im >>
>>>>> sure that right now he's regretting leaving McLaren like the
>>>>> Columnists

>>>>> and former F1 drivers said that he would.  Man those people are
>>>>> Smart.

>>>>> Another few weeks of this and Lewis might have to quit just
>> because >> > of

>>>>> the shame.

>>>> What shame? facts of the past clearly shows he have no shame at
>> all.  >>

>>>> Edmund

>>> What does that have to do with him leaving McLaren for
>>> Mercedes-Benz?  Well since you brought it up (perhaps as a
>>> deflection); what facts from the past shows that Lewis Hamilton has
>>> no shame?  Please Answer?

>> OK since you are obviously new here.
>> There was an event on the Hungaroring...

> 6 years on...one has to question the mental health of an uninvolved
> party who is struggling to move on.

Are you saying I have 3 and a bit more years to get over DRS?

--
AC

 
 
 

Yet another week that Lewis regrets leaving McLaren

Post by Bigbir » Wed, 27 Mar 2013 19:43:44

Quote:






> > > > > > Is it too late for Lewis to get a McLaren deal for next
> > > > > > season?
> > > Im >>
> > > > > > sure that right now he's regretting leaving McLaren like the
> > > > > > Columnists

> > > > > > and former F1 drivers said that he would.  Man those people
> > > > > > are Smart.

> > > > > > Another few weeks of this and Lewis might have to quit just
> >>because >> > of

> > > > > > the shame.

> > > > > What shame? facts of the past clearly shows he have no shame
> > > > > at
> > > all.  >>

> > > > > Edmund

> > > > What does that have to do with him leaving McLaren for
> > > > Mercedes-Benz?  Well since you brought it up (perhaps as a
> > > > deflection); what facts from the past shows that Lewis Hamilton
> > > > has no shame?  Please Answer?

> > > OK since you are obviously new here.
> > > There was an event on the Hungaroring...

> > 6 years on...one has to question the mental health of an uninvolved
> > party who is struggling to move on.

> Are you saying I have 3 and a bit more years to get over DRS?

No. As you know well, I've been questioning your mental health for
years. ;)
 
 
 

Yet another week that Lewis regrets leaving McLaren

Post by John Brigg » Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:52:34


Quote:

>> Nah... He didn't get lucky.  He was just better equipped to make the decision to leave (being a McLaren Employee and all), than you are to critique the decision.

> Funny how the McLaren engineers thought they were making a fast car for 2013 but Lewis already knew they were wrong by September.

If I had known that McLaren were building a new car for 2012, *I* would
have been nervous.
--
John Briggs
 
 
 

Yet another week that Lewis regrets leaving McLaren

Post by tonymi.. » Wed, 27 Mar 2013 23:43:32

Quote:




> > > > I knew it was the right move from day one.

> No you didn't, you were dead against it as I recall.

Your recollection is incorrect.  
 
 
 

Yet another week that Lewis regrets leaving McLaren

Post by tonymi.. » Wed, 27 Mar 2013 23:59:10

Quote:




> > > > I knew it was the right move from day one.

> No you didn't, you were dead against it as I recall.

I wasn't actively posting here during the period in which Lewis made his decision. I just looked at my posting history.  The last post that I replied to, or started here (not including this thread) was on March 21st 2013, and before that was May 20th 2012.  

I havent posted here from 5/20/2012 03/21/2013.  Which makes whatever you think that you recalled impossible.  When Lewis made his annoucement I didn't have a single post here during that period.  Next!!

 
 
 

Yet another week that Lewis regrets leaving McLaren

Post by tonymi.. » Thu, 28 Mar 2013 00:07:47

Quote:








> >>>>>>> Is it too late for Lewis to get a McLaren deal for next season?

> >>>>>>> I???m sure that right now he's regretting leaving McLaren like the

> >>>>>>> Columnists and former F1 drivers said that he would.  Man those people are Smart.

> >>>>>>> Another few weeks of this and Lewis might have to quit just because of the shame.

> >>>>>> Again, the mistake is thinking performance was his reason for leaving.

> >>>>>> The relative performance of the Mclarens and Mercs is completely

> >>>>>> irrelevant. A happy bonus for Lewis, sure, but not the point.

> >>>>>> Hindsight wise, as some one who understood his move to Merc, there is

> >>>>>> cause for concern. If this business of a grumpy German faction in the

> >>>>>> team are to be believed, then Lewis might be in another shit storm. And

> >>>>>> ironically, the further to the front the car gets, the worse the

> >>>>>> tensions will be.

> >>>>>> --

> >>>>>> AC

> >>>>> I think that Lewis saw things at McLaren that let him believe that they

> >>>>> were going in the other direction.  No one was closer to the McLaren

> >>>>> team than Lewis.  Not the former F1 Drivers, not the Columnists.

> >>>>> So when I heard people calling it a mistake.  I said this is Arm Chair

> >>>>> Quarterbacking at it???s best.

> >>>> You can think that if you like. There is nothing logical or factual

> >>>> about it, but I guess it suits your position to try to sell it.

> >>>> It is actually laughable that you would have us believe that Lewis some

> >>>> how knew this new car would be a dud, and that some how he knew the new

> >>>> Merc would be better. The only person making that claim is you. On top

> >>>> of that we know know that Merc was a second choice at best.

> >>>> Ironic that then you accuse people of Arm Chair Quarter-backing.

> >>>> Amusing trolling and all that, well done you. Yes, we know people

> >>>> thought his move was a bad one, and the Merc car is way better than most

> >>>> thought it would be. Well, you noticed people got it wrong....... with

> >>>> the huge benefit of hind sight. So, not really that clever an

> >>>> observation is it?

> >>>> --

> >>>> AC

> >>> I knew it was the right move from day one.

> >> Fair enough. Prove it.

> >> --

> >> AC

> > OK.  I'll point you to my Blog where I said that it was a good idea last year.

> I bet you don't have one.

> > Oh... I don't have a blog.

> Oh, there we go.

> > I don't need to prove anything to you dude.

> No you don't. No at all. Equally, of course, I don't need to believe

> your claim to have known "it was right from day one". And as we stand,

> given your reply, I have good reason to assume you made it up, in other

> words, lied.

> By all means, prove me wrong. You'll get an apology and all that. You'll

> love it. Go on, prove me wrong.

> --

> AC

I didn't disapprove the move away from McLaren since day one. I didn't like Witmarsh and the way that he preferred Button over Lewis.  When Lewis moved on I didn't consider it a bad move.  And I really don't care what you believe.  While were at it can you disprove anything that I just said?  You see two can play at that game.
 
 
 

Yet another week that Lewis regrets leaving McLaren

Post by Bigbir » Thu, 28 Mar 2013 01:51:57

Quote:




> > > Nah... He didn't get lucky.  He was just better equipped to make
> > > the decision to leave (being a McLaren Employee and all), than
> > > you are to critique the decision.

> > Funny how the McLaren engineers thought they were making a fast car
> > for 2013 but Lewis already knew they were wrong by September.

> If I had known that McLaren were building a new car for 2012, I would
> have been nervous.

While your hindsight fuelled comments are as worthwhile as anyones I
would have thought that most sensible people would think that McLaren
were aiming to fix the flaws with the previous car which as far as you
know was at the end of it's development potential.
 
 
 

Yet another week that Lewis regrets leaving McLaren

Post by AC » Thu, 28 Mar 2013 01:54:01

Quote:







>>>>>>> Is it too late for Lewis to get a McLaren deal for next
>>>>>>> season?
>>>> Im >>
>>>>>>> sure that right now he's regretting leaving McLaren like the
>>>>>>> Columnists

>>>>>>> and former F1 drivers said that he would.  Man those people
>>>>>>> are Smart.

>>>>>>> Another few weeks of this and Lewis might have to quit just
>>>> because >> > of

>>>>>>> the shame.

>>>>>> What shame? facts of the past clearly shows he have no shame
>>>>>> at
>>>> all.  >>

>>>>>> Edmund

>>>>> What does that have to do with him leaving McLaren for
>>>>> Mercedes-Benz?  Well since you brought it up (perhaps as a
>>>>> deflection); what facts from the past shows that Lewis Hamilton
>>>>> has no shame?  Please Answer?

>>>> OK since you are obviously new here.
>>>> There was an event on the Hungaroring...

>>> 6 years on...one has to question the mental health of an uninvolved
>>> party who is struggling to move on.

>> Are you saying I have 3 and a bit more years to get over DRS?

> No. As you know well, I've been questioning your mental health for
> years. ;)

There is still a question? Ah, bless ya!!!

--
AC

 
 
 

Yet another week that Lewis regrets leaving McLaren

Post by Bigbir » Thu, 28 Mar 2013 01:54:21

Quote:





> > > > > I knew it was the right move from day one.

> > No you didn't, you were dead against it as I recall.

> Your recollection is incorrect.  

As is yours I'd wager.
 
 
 

Yet another week that Lewis regrets leaving McLaren

Post by AC » Thu, 28 Mar 2013 02:19:58

Quote:









>>>>>>>>> Is it too late for Lewis to get a McLaren deal for next season?

>>>>>>>>> I m sure that right now he's regretting leaving McLaren like the

>>>>>>>>> Columnists and former F1 drivers said that he would.  Man those people are Smart.

>>>>>>>>> Another few weeks of this and Lewis might have to quit just because of the shame.

>>>>>>>> Again, the mistake is thinking performance was his reason for leaving.

>>>>>>>> The relative performance of the Mclarens and Mercs is completely

>>>>>>>> irrelevant. A happy bonus for Lewis, sure, but not the point.

>>>>>>>> Hindsight wise, as some one who understood his move to Merc, there is

>>>>>>>> cause for concern. If this business of a grumpy German faction in the

>>>>>>>> team are to be believed, then Lewis might be in another shit storm. And

>>>>>>>> ironically, the further to the front the car gets, the worse the

>>>>>>>> tensions will be.

>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>> AC

>>>>>>> I think that Lewis saw things at McLaren that let him believe that they

>>>>>>> were going in the other direction.  No one was closer to the McLaren

>>>>>>> team than Lewis.  Not the former F1 Drivers, not the Columnists.

>>>>>>> So when I heard people calling it a mistake.  I said this is Arm Chair

>>>>>>> Quarterbacking at it s best.

>>>>>> You can think that if you like. There is nothing logical or factual

>>>>>> about it, but I guess it suits your position to try to sell it.

>>>>>> It is actually laughable that you would have us believe that Lewis some

>>>>>> how knew this new car would be a dud, and that some how he knew the new

>>>>>> Merc would be better. The only person making that claim is you. On top

>>>>>> of that we know know that Merc was a second choice at best.

>>>>>> Ironic that then you accuse people of Arm Chair Quarter-backing.

>>>>>> Amusing trolling and all that, well done you. Yes, we know people

>>>>>> thought his move was a bad one, and the Merc car is way better than most

>>>>>> thought it would be. Well, you noticed people got it wrong....... with

>>>>>> the huge benefit of hind sight. So, not really that clever an

>>>>>> observation is it?

>>>>>> --

>>>>>> AC

>>>>> I knew it was the right move from day one.

>>>> Fair enough. Prove it.

>>>> --

>>>> AC

>>> OK.  I'll point you to my Blog where I said that it was a good idea last year.

>> I bet you don't have one.

>>> Oh... I don't have a blog.

>> Oh, there we go.

>>> I don't need to prove anything to you dude.

>> No you don't. No at all. Equally, of course, I don't need to believe

>> your claim to have known "it was right from day one". And as we stand,

>> given your reply, I have good reason to assume you made it up, in other

>> words, lied.

>> By all means, prove me wrong. You'll get an apology and all that. You'll

>> love it. Go on, prove me wrong.

>> --

>> AC

> I didn't disapprove the move away from McLaren since day one. I didn't like Witmarsh and the way that he preferred Button over Lewis.  When Lewis moved on I didn't consider it a bad move.  And I really don't care what you believe.  While we re at it can you disprove anything that I just said?  You see two can play at that game.

I don't have to disprove anything. Im not making the claim. You are. I
cannot prove a negative, it is impossible. That is why its down to you
to prove, assuming you want to be take seriously.

If you don't like that fact, then it is open to me to accuse you of
being, for a random example, a rapist, and that stands until you prove
you are not. Which there is no way you can do, because you cannot ever
prove that you have not ever***d. None of us can. Rightly, would you
expect me to prove my claim. Would I be seen as a liar until I did, or
would you accept that its down to you to prove your innocence? See the
problem?

Stop being silly. You have backed yourself in to this corner by trying
to be a smart arse in retrospect and with hindsight. Nice try, and
frankly I have thought the same thing to myself because it is vaguely
ironically amusing, but you failed. Now you are digging yourself in to a
pointless, unnecessary hole.

--
AC