Time to kick out Zaheer Khan

Time to kick out Zaheer Khan

Post by Ram Jaa » Sat, 08 Nov 2003 02:42:59


Its high time Zaheer Khan is shown the door. He may
have hit a beautiful 33* but we are not picking him
for slogging off in tne end but for his bowling and
he has failed 3 times consecutively and hasn't looked
effective at all in any match. This team is short on
enthusiasm and energy. This is what i will do to get
the team back to winning ways and must they do that
to reach the final!

1. However much i hate Ganguly, he seems to be a much
better captain than Dravid. Today Dravid was just pathetic
in his bowling changes(bring part-timers before the 5th
regular bowler, continuing with spinners towards the end
with all the dew etc). So Gangu needs to come back and
give some renewed vigour to the team.

2. Bring back Ashish Nehra. He seems to be confident of
having recovered from injury. He definitely will bowl
better than Zaheer who seems to have a mental block
against Gilchrist and the Australians.

3. Stick with Kartik as the other spinner along with
Harbhajan.

4. Bring back Parthiv Patel. The so-called spinners don't
seem like giving any extra edge to the Indians even on
supposedly slow and low tracks, so why have 3 of them?
The part-timers can do a better job anyways. Besides,
Dravid's keeping was horrendous today. Let off 2 edges
and so many leg-side balls. Parthiv will atleast
save the extra 10-20 runs which will compensate for any
less number of runs he may score.

5. Open with Nehra and Bhajji. The Aussies haven't seen
Nehra bowl much and he can be a surprise package.
Certainly he won't be as bad as Zaheer.

So my team will be:

1. Sachin
2. Saurav (yes, even if Sehwag is well because he sucks against Aussies)
3. Laxman
4. Yuvraj (promote him up the order, he seems to do well against Aussies)
5. Dravid
6. Kaif
7. Agarkar
8. Parthiv
9. Harbhajan
10.Kartik
11.Nehra

I'm sure this team will give a much better fight than the present one.

RJ

 
 
 

Time to kick out Zaheer Khan

Post by Raghu Jetle » Sat, 08 Nov 2003 02:51:48

Quote:

> 1. However much i hate Ganguly, he seems to be a much
> better captain than Dravid. Today Dravid was just pathetic
> in his bowling changes(bring part-timers before the 5th
> regular bowler, continuing with spinners towards the end
> with all the dew etc). So Gangu needs to come back and
> give some renewed vigour to the team.

Dravid is really much much worse than Ganguly as a captain -
atleast in the couple of matches, I have seen.

Quote:
> 3. Stick with Kartik as the other spinner along with
> Harbhajan.

I think we should drop Harbhajan. I saw him a little
in the last couple of matches & he looks very ordinary.
And he has to be worst batsman to be averaging over 10.
I have never seen anybody bat as horribly as him.

 
 
 

Time to kick out Zaheer Khan

Post by rkusene » Sat, 08 Nov 2003 02:58:20


Quote:
> Its high time Zaheer Khan is shown the door. He may
> have hit a beautiful 33* but we are not picking him
> for slogging off in tne end but for his bowling and
> he has failed 3 times consecutively and hasn't looked
> effective at all in any match.

good that u posted this. now how about acknowledging that
agarkar has been ***in test matches in all matches after
his 'peak' and hence should never be considered again for
test matches.

reap as u sow haraamzade.

rk-

 
 
 

Time to kick out Zaheer Khan

Post by Andrew Dunfor » Sat, 08 Nov 2003 02:57:09


<snip>

Quote:
> I think we should drop Harbhajan. I saw him a little
> in the last couple of matches & he looks very ordinary.
> And he has to be worst batsman to be averaging over 10.
> I have never seen anybody bat as horribly as him.

I agree Harbhajan bats horribly, but feel he deserves a shot at opening the
batting in the Tests in Australia.

Andrew

 
 
 

Time to kick out Zaheer Khan

Post by Take it eas » Sat, 08 Nov 2003 06:37:32



Quote:
> Its high time Zaheer Khan is shown the door. He may
> have hit a beautiful 33* but we are not picking him
> for slogging off in tne end but for his bowling and
> he has failed 3 times consecutively and hasn't looked
> effective at all in any match. This team is short on
> enthusiasm and energy. This is what i will do to get
> the team back to winning ways and must they do that
> to reach the final!

> 1. However much i hate Ganguly, he seems to be a much
> better captain than Dravid. Today Dravid was just pathetic
> in his bowling changes(bring part-timers before the 5th
> regular bowler, continuing with spinners towards the end
> with all the dew etc). So Gangu needs to come back and
> give some renewed vigour to the team.

> 2. Bring back Ashish Nehra. He seems to be confident of
> having recovered from injury. He definitely will bowl
> better than Zaheer who seems to have a mental block
> against Gilchrist and the Australians.

> 3. Stick with Kartik as the other spinner along with
> Harbhajan.

Isn't he a CC?

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Quote:

> 4. Bring back Parthiv Patel. The so-called spinners don't
> seem like giving any extra edge to the Indians even on
> supposedly slow and low tracks, so why have 3 of them?
> The part-timers can do a better job anyways. Besides,
> Dravid's keeping was horrendous today. Let off 2 edges
> and so many leg-side balls. Parthiv will atleast
> save the extra 10-20 runs which will compensate for any
> less number of runs he may score.

> 5. Open with Nehra and Bhajji. The Aussies haven't seen
> Nehra bowl much and he can be a surprise package.
> Certainly he won't be as bad as Zaheer.

> So my team will be:

> 1. Sachin
> 2. Saurav (yes, even if Sehwag is well because he sucks against
> Aussies) 3. Laxman
> 4. Yuvraj (promote him up the order, he seems to do well against
> Aussies)

Based on one match in this series? Or are you counting his first
match 3 years ago? Yesterday he played just stupid.

Quote:
> 5. Dravid
> 6. Kaif
> 7. Agarkar
> 8. Parthiv
> 9. Harbhajan
> 10.Kartik
> 11.Nehra

And what happens to Badani?

Takeiteasy.

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Quote:

> I'm sure this team will give a much better fight than the present
> one.

> RJ

 
 
 

Time to kick out Zaheer Khan

Post by Prabhu Rangaraj » Sat, 08 Nov 2003 07:29:16

Quote:

> Its high time Zaheer Khan is shown the door.

And deny Hayden a crack at 501?
 
 
 

Time to kick out Zaheer Khan

Post by V » Sat, 08 Nov 2003 13:29:19


Quote:

> reap as u sow haraamzade.

> rk-

Agreed that he talked non-sense, but this doesn't grace you either.

V

 
 
 

Time to kick out Zaheer Khan

Post by Ram Jaa » Sat, 08 Nov 2003 13:48:22


Quote:
> Isn't he a CC?

Absolutely not. Kartik is a Tamilian brought up in Delhi
and plays for the Railways. If he is a CC, so will be
Arjun Pandit and Raghu Jaetly. Will you agree to that? :)

Quote:
> Based on one match in this series? Or are you counting his first
> match 3 years ago? Yesterday he played just stupid.

Yeah he played a stupid shot but i think he can be effective if
promoted up the order. He can build his innings quickly and play
his shots and can be quiet aggressive as we have seen him to be.
Give him a bit of confidence like in the first match against Aus
and i'm sure he will do well. Demoting him so that Kaif can
get back to form is not a right strategy. And there should be someone
who comes between Laxman and Dravid otherwise we'll put up a score
albeit an ineffective one due to their "own rate" of scoring.

RJ

 
 
 

Time to kick out Zaheer Khan

Post by Cricketislife » Sat, 08 Nov 2003 14:03:05



Quote:

>> Isn't he a CC?

>Absolutely not. Kartik is a Tamilian brought up in Delhi
>and plays for the Railways. If he is a CC, so will be
>Arjun Pandit and Raghu Jaetly. Will you agree to that? :)

I am sure those two will not agree and that may be slightly important
than what Tkiteasy agrees or not.

You could have slapped or hit APandit and he might take it silently
but calling him a CC wud be taken as a immense insult to him...! Kyun
AP, sahi? He is a proud MM!

Quote:
>> Based on one match in this series? Or are you counting his first
>> match 3 years ago? Yesterday he played just stupid.

>Yeah he played a stupid shot but i think he can be effective if
>promoted up the order. He can build his innings quickly and play
>his shots and can be quiet aggressive as we have seen him to be.
>Give him a bit of confidence like in the first match against Aus
>and i'm sure he will do well. Demoting him so that Kaif can
>get back to form is not a right strategy.
>And there should be someone
>who comes between Laxman and Dravid

Mandira Bedi?
Quote:
> otherwise we'll put up a score
>albeit an ineffective one due to their "own rate" of scoring.

>RJ

 
 
 

Time to kick out Zaheer Khan

Post by Ronald Flemin » Sun, 09 Nov 2003 06:06:27

After watching the India - NZ cuttack game, several questions about Zaheer
arise. In the entire match Zaheer did not cross 140 even once, and actually
was most often in the low 130s. Agarkar seemed consistently quicker. I did
not see much movement from Zaheer either, so it is unlikely that he decided
to cut down pace and get more movement. Neither was his control good enough
to compensate. Indeed, he was bowling at the same pace as Tuffey, but
without Tuffey's control.

Despite that, I think he must be persisted with. We can play 2 spinners now,
but in a month we tour Australia and there we will almost certainly play
only one spinner. We need 3 pacers who do a decent job, and Zaheer should
certainly be one of them. Dropping him now will likely dent his confidence
even further.  Also look at it this way - of the 4 pacers most likely to do
duty in Australia, 2 have been out of action for a while now. So we are not
in a position to refuse the other two match practice. Our hope should be
that with more match practise, Zaheer can get some of his flaws sorted out
before the Australian tour.

What I would like to see is Zaheer opening the bowling with his most likely
opening partner in Australia - Nehra. Often times fast bowlers need to
'settle down' with their partners, and I think we should get Zaheer and
Nehra to bowl as much together as we can before the Australian tour.  Given
our meagre bowling resources, I think both these bowlers will be expected to
shoulder a big burden in Australia.


Quote:
> Its high time Zaheer Khan is shown the door. He may
> have hit a beautiful 33* but we are not picking him
> for slogging off in tne end but for his bowling and
> he has failed 3 times consecutively and hasn't looked
> effective at all in any match. This team is short on
> enthusiasm and energy. This is what i will do to get
> the team back to winning ways and must they do that
> to reach the final!

> 1. However much i hate Ganguly, he seems to be a much
> better captain than Dravid. Today Dravid was just pathetic
> in his bowling changes(bring part-timers before the 5th
> regular bowler, continuing with spinners towards the end
> with all the dew etc). So Gangu needs to come back and
> give some renewed vigour to the team.

> 2. Bring back Ashish Nehra. He seems to be confident of
> having recovered from injury. He definitely will bowl
> better than Zaheer who seems to have a mental block
> against Gilchrist and the Australians.

> 3. Stick with Kartik as the other spinner along with
> Harbhajan.

> 4. Bring back Parthiv Patel. The so-called spinners don't
> seem like giving any extra edge to the Indians even on
> supposedly slow and low tracks, so why have 3 of them?
> The part-timers can do a better job anyways. Besides,
> Dravid's keeping was horrendous today. Let off 2 edges
> and so many leg-side balls. Parthiv will atleast
> save the extra 10-20 runs which will compensate for any
> less number of runs he may score.

> 5. Open with Nehra and Bhajji. The Aussies haven't seen
> Nehra bowl much and he can be a surprise package.
> Certainly he won't be as bad as Zaheer.

> So my team will be:

> 1. Sachin
> 2. Saurav (yes, even if Sehwag is well because he sucks against Aussies)
> 3. Laxman
> 4. Yuvraj (promote him up the order, he seems to do well against Aussies)
> 5. Dravid
> 6. Kaif
> 7. Agarkar
> 8. Parthiv
> 9. Harbhajan
> 10.Kartik
> 11.Nehra

> I'm sure this team will give a much better fight than the present one.

> RJ

 
 
 

Time to kick out Zaheer Khan

Post by rkusene » Sun, 09 Nov 2003 06:59:13


Quote:
> After watching the India - NZ cuttack game, several questions about Zaheer
> arise. In the entire match Zaheer did not cross 140 even once, and actually
> was most often in the low 130s. Agarkar seemed consistently quicker.

nehra is consistently quicker than both of them.

let agarkar play test matches and ODI regularly (like Zaheer). he will
drop to low 110s.

rk-

 
 
 

Time to kick out Zaheer Khan

Post by Aravin » Sun, 09 Nov 2003 10:51:28



Quote:

> > Isn't he a CC?

> Absolutely not. Kartik is a Tamilian brought up in Delhi
> and plays for the Railways. If he is a CC, so will be
> Arjun Pandit and Raghu Jaetly. Will you agree to that? :)

> > Based on one match in this series? Or are you counting his first
> > match 3 years ago? Yesterday he played just stupid.

> Yeah he played a stupid shot but i think he can be effective if
> promoted up the order. He can build his innings quickly and play
> his shots and can be quiet aggressive as we have seen him to be.
> Give him a bit of confidence like in the first match against Aus
> and i'm sure he will do well. Demoting him so that Kaif can
> get back to form is not a right strategy. And there should be someone
> who comes between Laxman and Dravid otherwise we'll put up a score
> albeit an ineffective one due to their "own rate" of scoring.

> RJ

Of late Dravid has been playing pretty fluently.He hasn't been bogged down
on any particular score.He has rotated the strike well.Got a good fifty
against the Aussies when SRT was struggling at the other end.31 off 46 is
not that bad.The worst part was he got out after making that 31.He was
trying to up the ante.A definite improvement from his early days as a ODI
player.
Aravind
 
 
 

Time to kick out Zaheer Khan

Post by Ram Jaa » Sun, 09 Nov 2003 13:24:13

Quote:

> After watching the India - NZ cuttack game, several questions about Zaheer
> arise. In the entire match Zaheer did not cross 140 even once, and actually
> was most often in the low 130s. Agarkar seemed consistently quicker.

Agarkar is no doubt the quickest bowler still in India at
international
level. He clocks 135-142 kph regularly and is most effective in that
speed. Zaheer is mostly the 130-138 kind and Nehra a bit faster than
that.

Quote:
> We need 3 pacers who do a decent job, and Zaheer should
> certainly be one of them. Dropping him now will likely dent his confidence
> even further.  Also look at it this way - of the 4 pacers most likely to do
> duty in Australia, 2 have been out of action for a while now. So we are not
> in a position to refuse the other two match practice. Our hope should be
> that with more match practise, Zaheer can get some of his flaws sorted out
> before the Australian tour.

I agree that Zaheer is needed very much for the Aus tour. But his
showing
in onedayers has been pretty inconsistent lately. Not to mention his
tendency to give away so many extras in no-balls and wides. It won't
be
a bad idea to get Nehra in his place and give the guy a shot at doing
well.
It will solve two purposes. First, it will give him some big match
practice after his prolonged injury and secondly it will help him find
his rhythm
before the Aus tour. Meanwhile, dropping Zaheer can give him an
opportunity to
sort his weaknesses out and make him hungrier during the Aus tour.
There's
a healthy competetition going on among the pacers and dropping one of
them will obviously make him push that much harder to do well when he
is selected again.
Of course, if Nehra does too badly against Aus in the next match, he
may not
be ready yet for big games and Zaheer can come back.

RJ

 
 
 

Time to kick out Zaheer Khan

Post by Ram Jaa » Sun, 09 Nov 2003 13:32:54

Quote:

> nehra is consistently quicker than both of them.

Oh, you see one match in 3 years where Nehra bowls quicker than
Agarkar
and make up your mind that he is faster. (Same with your stupid theory
about reverse-swing deduced from one or two matches you saw). Either
you
need to see matches regularly or shut your arse commenting about
present players and instead concentrate on the oldies of the 70s about
whom you probably know better!!!

Quote:
> let agarkar play test matches and ODI regularly (like Zaheer). he will
> drop to low 110s.

What nonsense! In fact, if one plays cricket regularly he will be in
good
rhythm and due to his confidence have better speeds. As was the case
with
Agarkar who used to clock 140 + Kph speeds regularly couple of years
back
when his place in the team was more secure.

RJ

 
 
 

Time to kick out Zaheer Khan

Post by suresh kum » Sun, 09 Nov 2003 16:28:16

I generally seem to agree with you, which is pretty surprising in itself.
But replace ZK with whom? Our bowling options are very sparse.

Robert Plant

Quote:

> Its high time Zaheer Khan is shown the door. He may
> have hit a beautiful 33* but we are not picking him
> for slogging off in tne end but for his bowling and
> he has failed 3 times consecutively and hasn't looked
> effective at all in any match. This team is short on
> enthusiasm and energy. This is what i will do to get
> the team back to winning ways and must they do that
> to reach the final!

> 1. However much i hate Ganguly, he seems to be a much
> better captain than Dravid. Today Dravid was just pathetic
> in his bowling changes(bring part-timers before the 5th
> regular bowler, continuing with spinners towards the end
> with all the dew etc). So Gangu needs to come back and
> give some renewed vigour to the team.

> 2. Bring back Ashish Nehra. He seems to be confident of
> having recovered from injury. He definitely will bowl
> better than Zaheer who seems to have a mental block
> against Gilchrist and the Australians.

> 3. Stick with Kartik as the other spinner along with
> Harbhajan.

> 4. Bring back Parthiv Patel. The so-called spinners don't
> seem like giving any extra edge to the Indians even on
> supposedly slow and low tracks, so why have 3 of them?
> The part-timers can do a better job anyways. Besides,
> Dravid's keeping was horrendous today. Let off 2 edges
> and so many leg-side balls. Parthiv will atleast
> save the extra 10-20 runs which will compensate for any
> less number of runs he may score.

> 5. Open with Nehra and Bhajji. The Aussies haven't seen
> Nehra bowl much and he can be a surprise package.
> Certainly he won't be as bad as Zaheer.

> So my team will be:

> 1. Sachin
> 2. Saurav (yes, even if Sehwag is well because he sucks against Aussies)
> 3. Laxman
> 4. Yuvraj (promote him up the order, he seems to do well against Aussies)
> 5. Dravid
> 6. Kaif
> 7. Agarkar
> 8. Parthiv
> 9. Harbhajan
> 10.Kartik
> 11.Nehra

> I'm sure this team will give a much better fight than the present one.

> RJ