Why not Ponting?

Why not Ponting?

Post by Bharat Ra » Mon, 08 Apr 2013 21:46:44


He's still one of the best batsmen in Australia, as his success in the Pura Cup (or whatever they call the Sheffield Shield now) shows.  It isn't like the 90s where they were a string of very good bats piling up runs -- no one is scoring runs, and he will be a darn sight better than anyone not named Clarke..

It is a step backward, but if he is hungry, why not?

Maybe Ponting can go play for an English county team (I'm sure someone will sign him) as soon at the IPL is done, score runs by the bucketful, and slide into the Aussie side by the 3rd Test which should be around late July, giving him a good 2 months to get completely used to English conditions.

Bharat

 
 
 

Why not Ponting?

Post by jzfredrick » Mon, 08 Apr 2013 22:34:08

Ponting retired. Was he pushed? Does he really want to lose yet another Ashes? :)

But yeah, more and more people are mentioning his name.

Who was the last big cash player to retire then come back?

 
 
 

Why not Ponting?

Post by Gerri » Mon, 08 Apr 2013 22:33:55


Quote:
> He's still one of the best batsmen in Australia, as his success in the
> Pura Cup (or whatever they call the Sheffield Shield now) shows.  It isn't
> like the 90s where they were a string of very good bats piling up runs --  
> no one is scoring runs, and he will be a darn sight better than anyone not
> named Clarke..

> It is a step backward, but if he is hungry, why not?

> Maybe Ponting can go play for an English county team (I'm sure someone
> will sign him) as soon at the IPL is done, score runs by the bucketful,
> and slide into the Aussie side by the 3rd Test which should be around late
> July, giving him a good 2 months to get completely used to English
> conditions.

> Bharat

It's called Sheffield Shield again like it should always have been. CA now
has a sponsor with a sense of history.

Gerrit

 
 
 

Why not Ponting?

Post by Mike Holman » Mon, 08 Apr 2013 23:07:10

On Sun, 7 Apr 2013 05:46:44 -0700 (PDT), Bharat Rao

Quote:
>Maybe Ponting can go play for an English county team (I'm sure someone will sign him)

Surrey signed him two months ago to play for June and July, mostly as
cover for Graeme Smith, who will at that time be engaged in the Chumps
Trophy.

Cheers,

Mike
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Why not Ponting?

Post by Mike Holman » Mon, 08 Apr 2013 23:19:58

On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 15:07:10 +0100, Mike Holmans

Quote:
>On Sun, 7 Apr 2013 05:46:44 -0700 (PDT), Bharat Rao

>>Maybe Ponting can go play for an English county team (I'm sure someone will sign him)

>Surrey signed him two months ago to play for June and July, mostly as
>cover for Graeme Smith, who will at that time be engaged in the Chumps
>Trophy.

By the way, you are aware that his Test average over the last two
years against sides not called "India" is 23, aren't you? He's done
well in the Shield this season, but you saw how good the top echelon
of Australian bowlers were in India, and you can probably assume
(QCCCCC notwithstanding) that most of the bowlers he faced weren't as
good as them. Still keen on Australia picking him? I certainly am.

cheers,

Mike

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Why not Ponting?

Post by Bharat Ra » Tue, 09 Apr 2013 08:07:41

Quote:

> By the way, you are aware that his Test average over the last two
> years against sides not called "India" is 23, aren't you? He's done
> well in the Shield this season, but you saw how good the top echelon
> of Australian bowlers were in India, and you can probably assume
> (QCCCCC notwithstanding) that most of the bowlers he faced weren't as
> good as them. Still keen on Australia picking him? I certainly am.

Fair enough. Ponting isn't going to be the force of old.  However, it is certainly quite likely that he will be quite better than anyone else plucked from Sheffield Shield cricket (who would have done a little worse against the same bowling).

Anyway, I'm not suggesting that Australia pick him for the Ashes, but if he tears up the English County scene the way he did the Sheffield Cup, there would be quite some pressure to include him...

Bharat

 
 
 

Why not Ponting?

Post by willsutto » Tue, 09 Apr 2013 13:46:15


Quote:

> Who was the last big cash player to retire then come back?

major difference is Ponting went back to play for Tasmania and ended of
SS player of the year
 
 
 

Why not Ponting?

Post by Bob Duber » Tue, 09 Apr 2013 14:24:35


Quote:
> Ponting retired. Was he pushed? Does he really want to lose yet another Ashes? :)

That's the key issue. Forget questions about how good his form really
is, he has ruled himself out of contention. Before the selectors can
consider him he has to put his hand up and say "I'm available".
 
 
 

Why not Ponting?

Post by willsutto » Tue, 09 Apr 2013 17:00:54


Quote:

>> Ponting retired. Was he pushed? Does he really want to lose yet another Ashes? :)

> That's the key issue. Forget questions about how good his form really
> is, he has ruled himself out of contention. Before the selectors can
> consider him he has to put his hand up and say "I'm available".

Ponting didn't want to retire but his form was so bad he thought it
better to jump before he was pushed
 
 
 

Why not Ponting?

Post by mike » Tue, 09 Apr 2013 23:59:47


Quote:

> >> Ponting retired. Was he pushed? Does he really want to lose yet another Ashes? :)

> > That's the key issue. Forget questions about how good his form really
> > is, he has ruled himself out of contention. Before the selectors can
> > consider him he has to put his hand up and say "I'm available".

> Ponting didn't want to retire but his form was so bad he thought it
> better to jump before he was pushed

Not just Ponting. Hussey's form was still pretty good last year,
but the suggestion was that he didnt want to go to India,
and wanted to play IPL before the Ashes, presumably
not acceptable to the management.

Also the counties this summer will be b***
with oz talent :)

Quiney at essex (whos just scored a 100 against the
might of cambridge)
Bailey at hants
North at glamorgan
Klinger  at gloucs
Katich at lancs
Burns at leics
Rogers at middx
Copeland at northants
D Hussey at notts
Magoffin at sussex

As some counties have yet to finalise an overseas
pro, I wonder if the elder Hussey might appear after
the IPL ends?

So if any of the Warner, Cowan, Hughes, Watson
Doolan, Kawaja combo fail to impress, the selectors
have a myriad of golden oldies in England
they could turn to..

mike

 
 
 

Why not Ponting?

Post by Bob Duber » Wed, 10 Apr 2013 02:15:09


Quote:

> >> Ponting retired. Was he pushed? Does he really want to lose yet another Ashes? :)

> > That's the key issue. Forget questions about how good his form really
> > is, he has ruled himself out of contention. Before the selectors can
> > consider him he has to put his hand up and say "I'm available".

> Ponting didn't want to retire but his form was so bad he thought it
> better to jump before he was pushed

No matter. He retired voluntarily. He thus declared himself non-
available. IMO players are to be deemed available unless they declare
themselves otherwise. Ponting has declared himself otherwise. The
selectors might think it a fine idea to get him back into the side,
but he has to make that possible.
 
 
 

Why not Ponting?

Post by arahi » Wed, 10 Apr 2013 12:45:41


Quote:


> > >> Ponting retired. Was he pushed? Does he really want to lose yet another Ashes? :)

> > > That's the key issue. Forget questions about how good his form really
> > > is, he has ruled himself out of contention. Before the selectors can
> > > consider him he has to put his hand up and say "I'm available".

> > Ponting didn't want to retire but his form was so bad he thought it
> > better to jump before he was pushed

> No matter. He retired voluntarily. He thus declared himself non-
> available. IMO players are to be deemed available unless they declare
> themselves otherwise. Ponting has declared himself otherwise. The
> selectors might think it a fine idea to get him back into the side,
> but he has to make that possible.

If they really really want him they can ask him but I am afraid he
remains Pick Wrongthing currently.
 
 
 

Why not Ponting?

Post by willsutto » Thu, 11 Apr 2013 12:03:31


Quote:


>>>> Ponting retired. Was he pushed? Does he really want to lose yet another Ashes? :)

>>> That's the key issue. Forget questions about how good his form really
>>> is, he has ruled himself out of contention. Before the selectors can
>>> consider him he has to put his hand up and say "I'm available".

>> Ponting didn't want to retire but his form was so bad he thought it
>> better to jump before he was pushed

> No matter. He retired voluntarily. He thus declared himself non-
> available. IMO players are to be deemed available unless they declare
> themselves otherwise. Ponting has declared himself otherwise. The
> selectors might think it a fine idea to get him back into the side,
> but he has to make that possible.

And if the selectors or even the Captain considered he would be a big
asset they could contact Ponting and ask him to reconsider...........
 
 
 

Why not Ponting?

Post by Bob Duber » Fri, 12 Apr 2013 14:49:54


<snip>

Quote:
> And if the selectors or even the Captain considered he would be a big
> asset they could contact Ponting and ask him to reconsider...........

They could, and they may have. If you ask him to make himself
available then you pretty much have to guarantee him at least a place
in the tour party.

This is reminding of me some other incident, but I can't put my finger
on it. Some player was asked to declare himself available, did, and
then wasn't picked.

 
 
 

Why not Ponting?

Post by jzfredrick » Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:12:53

Quote:

> This is reminding of me some other incident, but I can't put my finger
> on it. Some player was asked to declare himself available, did, and
> then wasn't picked.

Ouch.

For the record, I'm publicly declaring that I'm willing and ready to play for Aus in the upcoming Ashes.