Do umpires have any pride and self respect in their performance?

Do umpires have any pride and self respect in their performance?

Post by **MattO* » Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:40:16


Steve Davis full well knows Andrew Strauss hits the ball and fires him
out.

When are the Umpires going to become questionable for their errors?

Do they even have any self pride and self respect in their performance?

And yet the game fires out a very good decision maker in Darrell Hair
and keep gooses like Davis, Billy Doctrove, Rudi Koetzen and Steve
Bucknor in the game.

At least they got rid of Ashocka De Silva.

 
 
 

Do umpires have any pride and self respect in their performance?

Post by sdavmo » Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:48:02

Quote:

> Steve Davis full well knows Andrew Strauss hits the ball and fires him
> out.

> When are the Umpires going to become questionable for their errors?

> Do they even have any self pride and self respect in their performance?

> And yet the game fires out a very good decision maker in Darrell Hair
> and keep gooses like Davis, Billy Doctrove, Rudi Koetzen and Steve
> Bucknor in the game.

> At least they got rid of Ashocka De Silva.

I have to ask what bad juju Strauss has incurred to get all these
doofus decision given against him?  The man is snake-bit!

17.3 Franklin to Strauss, OUT, GOT 'IM! Slower ball from Franklin,
Strauss tries to work to the on side gets a HUGE inside edge into his
pad and Steve Davis raises his finger. Strauss can't believe it, just
about sums up his tour, but it's another important wicket for New
Zealand who have removed the man who was shaping to bat through the
run chase

AJ Strauss lbw b Franklin 28 (58b 3x4 0x6) SR: 48.27
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Do umpires have any pride and self respect in their performance?

Post by arahi » Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:03:19

Quote:

> Steve Davis full well knows Andrew Strauss hits the ball and fires him
> out.

> When are the Umpires going to become questionable for their errors?

> Do they even have any self pride and self respect in their performance?

> And yet the game fires out a very good decision maker in Darrell Hair
> and keep gooses like Davis, Billy Doctrove, Rudi Koetzen and Steve
> Bucknor in the game.

> At least they got rid of Ashocka De Silva.

I keep hearing that Hair is a better decision maker. I have been
looking for stats on his decision making and also on other umpires but
have not found any. I would welcome any reliable source on stats.

Atif
voiceandview.blogspot.com

 
 
 

Do umpires have any pride and self respect in their performance?

Post by gerri » Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:50:53


Quote:

> 17.3 Franklin to Strauss, OUT, GOT 'IM! Slower ball from Franklin,
> Strauss tries to work to the on side gets a HUGE inside edge into his
> pad and Steve Davis raises his finger.

Sorry, but Strauss did NOT get an inside edge at all. He hit the ball with
almost the middle of the bat!!
As I said no edge.

Gerrit

 
 
 

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Post by Benjamin Frankli » Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:55:52


Quote:
> Steve Davis full well knows Andrew Strauss hits the ball and fires him
> out.

> When are the Umpires going to become questionable for their errors?

> Do they even have any self pride and self respect in their performance?

> And yet the game fires out a very good decision maker in Darrell Hair
> and keep gooses like Davis, Billy Doctrove, Rudi Koetzen and Steve
> Bucknor in the game.

> At least they got rid of Ashocka De Silva.

Why shouldnt Hair be removed from ICC panel if he made a mistake in ball
tampering issue ?

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Post by JPD » Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:45:55

Quote:

> When are the Umpires going to become questionable for their errors?

You mean "answerable", and there is continuous monitoring of the
decision-making accuracy of umpires whose decisions are reviewable on
video.  From time to time, this decision-making accuracy is published -
SJA Taufel was the leader of the pack at last report.  However, the
appointment of these umpires (to their panels, not to particular games)
is an annual contractual process, so a guy who has a long run of bad
games at the wrong stage of the year is destined to remain in the loop
regardless.

Quote:
> Do they even have any self pride and self respect in their performance?

I can only speak for myself and the umpires whom I know personally, and
the answer is obviously Yes.  Of course, the question was a rhetorical
one.

Quote:
> And yet the game fires out a very good decision maker in Darrell Hair
> and keep gooses like Davis, Billy Doctrove, Rudi Koetzen and Steve
> Bucknor in the game.

Like many others in the past who have identified certain umpires by
name as underperformers (or geese, if you like), you have failed to
name the men who would do a better job.  So you would dispose of
Koertzen - is Howell or Hurter going to do better?  I can ask just as
many rhetorical questions as you.

The task of umpires would be made a little easier if players did not
appeal for that which they know is not out.  I guarantee you that
Franklin and McCullum knew that Strauss had hit the cover off the ball
- why did they appeal?  Why did they not withdraw the appeal?  "Sorry,
Straussy.  Sorry, Steve.  We appealed unfairly, and in the spirit of
cricket we do not think that two wrongs make a right."  Why do Match
Referees not act against teams who appeal falsely? - we can talk all
day about players making more mistakes, on balance, than umpires; but
players appealing speciously is not a mistake, it is deliberate.

Incidentally, halfway through typing the above, I have seen Davis
incorrectly call No Ball for a full toss.  A wide margin of error
should always apply to such judgements, especially when it is
line-ball, and the replays suggest strongly that the ball bowled to
Flintoff was dipping and would NOT have been above the waist at the
striker's position.

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Post by Dave -Turne » Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:59:43

Quote:
> Why shouldnt Hair be removed from ICC panel if he made a mistake in ball
> tampering issue ?

Exactly how did he make a mistake? He thought the ball had been tampered
with so he reported it, as the laws of the game required him to do.
 
 
 

Do umpires have any pride and self respect in their performance?

Post by sdavmo » Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:03:19

Quote:


>> When are the Umpires going to become questionable for their errors?

> You mean "answerable", and there is continuous monitoring of the
> decision-making accuracy of umpires whose decisions are reviewable on
> video.  From time to time, this decision-making accuracy is published -
> SJA Taufel was the leader of the pack at last report.  However, the
> appointment of these umpires (to their panels, not to particular games)
> is an annual contractual process, so a guy who has a long run of bad
> games at the wrong stage of the year is destined to remain in the loop
> regardless.

>> Do they even have any self pride and self respect in their performance?

> I can only speak for myself and the umpires whom I know personally, and
> the answer is obviously Yes.  Of course, the question was a rhetorical
> one.

>> And yet the game fires out a very good decision maker in Darrell Hair
>> and keep gooses like Davis, Billy Doctrove, Rudi Koetzen and Steve
>> Bucknor in the game.

> Like many others in the past who have identified certain umpires by
> name as underperformers (or geese, if you like), you have failed to
> name the men who would do a better job.  So you would dispose of
> Koertzen - is Howell or Hurter going to do better?  I can ask just as
> many rhetorical questions as you.

> The task of umpires would be made a little easier if players did not
> appeal for that which they know is not out.  I guarantee you that
> Franklin and McCullum knew that Strauss had hit the cover off the ball
> - why did they appeal?  Why did they not withdraw the appeal?  "Sorry,
> Straussy.  Sorry, Steve.  We appealed unfairly, and in the spirit of
> cricket we do not think that two wrongs make a right."  Why do Match
> Referees not act against teams who appeal falsely? - we can talk all
> day about players making more mistakes, on balance, than umpires; but
> players appealing speciously is not a mistake, it is deliberate.

> Incidentally, halfway through typing the above, I have seen Davis
> incorrectly call No Ball for a full toss.  A wide margin of error
> should always apply to such judgements, especially when it is
> line-ball, and the replays suggest strongly that the ball bowled to
> Flintoff was dipping and would NOT have been above the waist at the
> striker's position.

Had Flintoff been given "out" (no "no ball" called) then NZ almost
certainly wins the match.
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Post by Benjamin Frankli » Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:05:35


Quote:
>> Why shouldnt Hair be removed from ICC panel if he made a mistake in ball
>> tampering issue ?

> Exactly how did he make a mistake? He thought the ball had been tampered
> with so he reported it, as the laws of the game required him to do.

ICC exonerated pak of ball tampering and hair's thoughts were proven false.

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Post by Dave -Turne » Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:11:07

Quote:
> ICC exonerated pak of ball tampering

Not quite. "he was banned from umpiring by the ICC following pressure from
the Asian bloc" - not because of the ball.
source: http://SportToday.org/

Quote:
> and hair's thoughts were proven false.

No they weren't. Why would an umpire call ball tampering if he didn't have a
strong case?  It's not like he was seeing imaginary markings on the ball. He
was banned because Pakistan turned the ball tampering affair into a racial
one, saying that he was racist for calling ball tampering. In other words,
according to the Asian bloc that argued for his ban, Hair, because he is
white, can apparently only call ball tampering if the opposition are
pre***ly white.
 
 
 

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Post by Benjamin Frankli » Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:27:56


Quote:
>> ICC exonerated pak of ball tampering
> Not quite. "he was banned from umpiring by the ICC following pressure from
> the Asian bloc" - not because of the ball.
> source: http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/australia/content/player/5562.html

>> and hair's thoughts were proven false.
> No they weren't. Why would an umpire call ball tampering if he didn't have
> a strong case?  It's not like he was seeing imaginary markings on the
> ball.

Why are 600,000 innocent people wrongly convicted and curently rotting in
prison in US despite US being an advanced, progressive and developed world
and westerners considered more rational and logical than third world ?

You will never understand human beings........you are at a point of no
return.....

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Post by Dave -Turne » Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:29:11

Quote:
> Why are 600,000 innocent people wrongly convicted

-rest of unrelated political shit snipped-

what are you on about now?

 
 
 

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Post by Benjamin Frankli » Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:40:31


Quote:
>> Why are 600,000 innocent people wrongly convicted
> -rest of unrelated political shit snipped-

> what are you on about now?

Its not political shit.

I already told you, you are at a point of no return which is why you will
never understand the analogy in my comments.

I am going to sleep now..........

Go away and dont waste any more of my time.......

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Post by Phil » Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:46:26



Quote:

> >> Why shouldnt Hair be removed from ICC panel if he made a mistake in ball
> >> tampering issue ?

> > Exactly how did he make a mistake? He thought the ball had been tampered
> > with so he reported it, as the laws of the game required him to do.ICC exonerated pak of ball tampering and hair's thoughts were proven false.

Pakistan weren't exonerated of anything, Inzy was not found guilty of a
COC violation because the referee couldn't be sure that he was guilty.
Hair and Doctrove's suspicions were not proven false, even if the
umpires were mistaken there was no major penalty, only 5 runs, not like
Strauss who was wrongly given out three innings in a row by Koertzen,
no penalty in that case!

Phil.

 
 
 

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Post by Andrew Dunfor » Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:32:15


Quote:


>>> When are the Umpires going to become questionable for their errors?

>> You mean "answerable", and there is continuous monitoring of the
>> decision-making accuracy of umpires whose decisions are reviewable on
>> video.  From time to time, this decision-making accuracy is published -
>> SJA Taufel was the leader of the pack at last report.  However, the
>> appointment of these umpires (to their panels, not to particular games)
>> is an annual contractual process, so a guy who has a long run of bad
>> games at the wrong stage of the year is destined to remain in the loop
>> regardless.

>>> Do they even have any self pride and self respect in their performance?

>> I can only speak for myself and the umpires whom I know personally, and
>> the answer is obviously Yes.  Of course, the question was a rhetorical
>> one.

>>> And yet the game fires out a very good decision maker in Darrell Hair
>>> and keep gooses like Davis, Billy Doctrove, Rudi Koetzen and Steve
>>> Bucknor in the game.

>> Like many others in the past who have identified certain umpires by
>> name as underperformers (or geese, if you like), you have failed to
>> name the men who would do a better job.  So you would dispose of
>> Koertzen - is Howell or Hurter going to do better?  I can ask just as
>> many rhetorical questions as you.

>> The task of umpires would be made a little easier if players did not
>> appeal for that which they know is not out.  I guarantee you that
>> Franklin and McCullum knew that Strauss had hit the cover off the ball
>> - why did they appeal?  Why did they not withdraw the appeal?  "Sorry,
>> Straussy.  Sorry, Steve.  We appealed unfairly, and in the spirit of
>> cricket we do not think that two wrongs make a right."  Why do Match
>> Referees not act against teams who appeal falsely? - we can talk all
>> day about players making more mistakes, on balance, than umpires; but
>> players appealing speciously is not a mistake, it is deliberate.

>> Incidentally, halfway through typing the above, I have seen Davis
>> incorrectly call No Ball for a full toss.  A wide margin of error
>> should always apply to such judgements, especially when it is
>> line-ball, and the replays suggest strongly that the ball bowled to
>> Flintoff was dipping and would NOT have been above the waist at the
>> striker's position.

> Had Flintoff been given "out" (no "no ball" called) then NZ almost
> certainly wins the match.

A marginal call, but a reasonable one I thought.  And England would still
have won even if Flintoff was out at that juncture.

Andrew