ShI(a)ne WarnING(e) bell is ringing!!

ShI(a)ne WarnING(e) bell is ringing!!

Post by V.R.Kum » Sat, 01 Oct 1994 08:04:12


To those who suspected Shane's bowing against the subcontinent
cricketers, Warne has started proving that he is currently the
best spinner in cricket. He has started demonstrating his class
by taking 3 wkts for less than 50 runs in 20+ overs against Pakistan
in the first test. He is also the leading wicket taker in the
recently concluded Singer tournament. He has also started to
mature as a good batsman. He is improving!!

Still more to come from Shane!! No surprise.

Cheers,

V R Kumar

 
 
 

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Post by Z. U. Kha » Sun, 02 Oct 1994 05:32:59

Quote:

> To those who suspected Shane's bowing against the subcontinent
> cricketers,

** No doubt Shane is very good (much better than Mushtaq, and better than
Kumble), but you must remember that the current Pakistani batsmen can't
bat to save their lives :) So I'm not sure how good a measure Warne's
wicket-taking ability against Pak batsmen reflects on his greatness.
Again, this is not to take away from his brilliance, but remember how
Kambli has made mince meat of him on every occasion that they've met?

Z.U.Khan

 
 
 

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Post by Spaceman Spif » Sat, 01 Oct 1994 19:01:17


(V.R.Kumar) says:
Quote:

>To those who suspected Shane's bowing against the subcontinent
>cricketers, Warne has started proving that he is currently the
>best spinner in cricket. He has started demonstrating his class
>by taking 3 wkts for less than 50 runs in 20+ overs against Pakistan
>in the first test. He is also the leading wicket taker in the
>recently concluded Singer tournament. He has also started to
>mature as a good batsman. He is improving!!

several spinners have registered career bests in pakistan, e.g., nick cook,
stephen bouck(?) and phil edmonds. where are they today.
let warne WIN the match with his bowling & we can call him the best.
don't get me wrong, though, he is a very, very good spinner. his bowling in
sharjah impressed me no end.

Stay cool,
Spaceman Spiff

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Post by Rohan Chandr » Sun, 02 Oct 1994 02:42:56

Quote:
>V Kumar said
>>recently concluded Singer tournament. He has also started to
>>mature as a good batsman. He is improving!!

erm, I rather think this might just be overstating your case. A more
than competent member of the tail-end, no doubt. but perhaps he has a
little ways to go before being a good batsman :)


Quote:
>let warne WIN the match with his bowling & we can call him the best.
>don't get me wrong, though, he is a very, very good spinner. his bowling in
>sharjah impressed me no end.

That says plenty for me. My personal opinion is that Warne in one day
cricket, while still unquestionably an excellent bowler, is not the
same as Warne in a Test match. No doubt he bowled well in Sharjah (I
have not seen the recent Singer TOurnament to comment on that), but he
is twice as good a bowler in Test match cricket - that's the stage on
which his art comes to the fore.

While his bowling in this match so far is not something which *in
itself* proves a heck of lot (I say this partly because the figures
are not especially outstanding, and also because I think Pakistans
ability against spin is perhaps overrated by many, and that's not to
say that they can't handle spin but as Spaceman and others have
mentioned, many spinners have been successful against Pakistan in the
past), I do feel that Warne is fairly clearly the best spinner in the
world at the moment.Kumble is up there statistically speaking of
course.

What's more, it is a sheer delight to watch him bowl (as long as he
remains gentlemanly about it) and bamboozle. I do have two small
reservations about his bowling though. The first is that I find that
the "coming" of his flipper is quite predictable, and yet I have seen
so many batsmen get beaten by it when from my armchair it has been
quite obvious that Warne was going to slip it in next ball. No doubt
it's something to do with my armchair, yet I cannot help but wonder.
Secondly, his tmeperament seems a little suspect in that he tends to
lose a little bit of control immediately after being hit (or slogged
or stroked.....) to the boundary. I can't help but compare him to
Kumble, who in this regard is a model of unflappable consistency for
the most part.

And now that I've said my quarterly piece on Warne, I shall yet again
add my standard qualifier which generally sparks off a mini-flame war
(something I can see you guys have not been getting enough of in my
absence :) ). Only this time I have one more game to offer as
evidence, even if it is of the pajama variety. I still feel, and I
guess will continue to do so despite the efforts of several Aussies to
convince me otherwise, that Warne is unlikely to enjoy the same sort
of success against India that he did against Englasnd and New Zealand.
And on the basis of my staggering sample of two 50 over matches, it is
very safe to say that the Indians seem to be a lot more at ease with
his wiles than any other team has proven to be. Particularly a certain
fellow named Kambli (but perhaps it's his Australian heritage that
puts him on the inside track :) ).

Cheers,
Rohan Chandran

 
 
 

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Post by Vijay Kumar Misra x40 » Wed, 05 Oct 1994 02:43:50

Quote:

>To those who suspected Shane's bowing against the subcontinent
>cricketers, Warne has started proving that he is currently the
>best spinner in cricket. He has started demonstrating his class
>by taking 3 wkts for less than 50 runs in 20+ overs against Pakistan
>in the first test. He is also the leading wicket taker in the
>recently concluded Singer tournament. He has also started to
>mature as a good batsman. He is improving!!

>Still more to come from Shane!! No surprise.

>Cheers,

>V R Kumar

Kumar
        It is not the Warne or anybody else. It was Pakistani Batsmen like
Jawed Miandad who used to play with bodth pad and bat and On top of that
Pakistani Umpires made spinners look useless in Pakistan. But now With
neutral unpires things are different. It is not Pakistani
batting which has specialists against spin attack But it is The India
batsmen who are master of facing that kind of bowling. And they have
already given enough demosntration of that.

Wath out for Indians now They are on a roll up and down doe'nt matter.

Cheers

Vijay

 
 
 

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Post by R. Bharat R » Wed, 05 Oct 1994 05:21:23


Quote:
>Kumar
>    It is not the Warne or anybody else. It was Pakistani Batsmen like
>Jawed Miandad who used to play with bodth pad and bat and On top of that
>Pakistani Umpires made spinners look useless in Pakistan. But now With

Yeah, right, all those New Zealand umpires were also from Pakistan --
take a look at JM's average in NZ... Also, Pakistan was the first
country to begin using neutral umpires on a regular basis (and for a
long time, would use neutral umpires at home, but not away), and I
didn't see Miandad's average drop..

And as for using your pad, the classic way to play spinners is with
the bat *and* pad, using your pad intelligently as a second line of
defense (for example, making sure its outside off against an offie, or
just plain in the way against a leggie:-) -- try playing spinners with
only your bat, and you won't have long to stay at the crease...

Quote:
>neutral unpires things are different. It is not Pakistani
>batting which has specialists against spin attack But it is The India
>batsmen who are master of facing that kind of bowling. And they have
>already given enough demosntration of that.
>Wath out for Indians now They are on a roll up and down doe'nt matter.

While India may be better at facing spin bowling, that remains to be
determined; until they negotiate Warne (and I don't count what
happened in Sydney) or Mushtaq in a test, no proof exists.  And
besides, Warne was very impressive against Sidhu, supposed the best or
second-best player of spin in India...  And that was in an ODI, where
he would have been quite limited -- a Test is quite different.  While
Kambli did take him apart, that was when the match was all but won,
and he could afford to take risks.. Tests may be a completely
different story altogether..

I'm not saying that Warne will bundle out India -- I certainly hope
that India whacks him (and all other bowlers) all over the field, but
we have to wait...  And besides, the last time I checked WI didn't
have any world class spinner, so the upcoming tour will prove nothing
regarding their ability versus spin..

Quote:
>Cheers
>Vijay

Bharat

PS: I think Shane Warne has proved that he is the goods.  IMO, it
question is no longer "how will Warne do against India" but "how will
the Indian batsman tackle Warne"
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  It is not Pakistani
   batting which has specialists against spin attack But it is The India
   batsmen who are master of facing that kind of bowling.
   Wath out for Indians now They are on a roll up and down doe'nt matter.

Quote:
>> Oh do let up! - Its getting quite annoying, having to wadlle through

   posts by people who seem to think that the only way Warne will become
   universally acknowledged as a 'great' spinner is if he takes the wicket
   of Bradman (the first, not some photocopy :-)). Remember, that it is the
   Indians who have to prove themselves against Warne (and I dont mean in
   some stupid odi) and not the other way round.

Harish[Kumble? - who the heck is he? :-)]

 
 
 

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Post by Ariel_Chaim ZAU » Wed, 05 Oct 1994 11:43:25



: >neutral unpires things are different. It is not Pakistani
: >batting which has specialists against spin attack But it is The India
: >batsmen who are master of facing that kind of bowling. And they have
: >already given enough demosntration of that.

: PS: I think Shane Warne has proved that he is the goods.  IMO, it
: question is no longer "how will Warne do against India" but "how will
: the Indian batsman tackle Warne"

This is the most intelligent thing said in this whole debate. Vijay Kumar Misras
comments about Indian's being the MASTERS are not qualified until they face
Warne and I predict, along with everyone but Indians, that Warne will at the
very least trouble India and probably again be a matchwinner.

Quoting the great R. Bharat Rao, "The question is no longer " how will Warne do against India" but "how will the Indian batsmen tackle Warne"".

Given some bowling support, Warne would have bowled Australia to victory but
the stupid dicarsion of Merv and the injury to McDermott has put pay to that.
I just hope we can regroup and win because of our superior batting.

                                      A.C.ZAUER

 
 
 

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Post by sha.. » Thu, 06 Oct 1994 00:55:38


Quote:

>>To those who suspected Shane's bowing against the subcontinent
>>cricketers, Warne has started proving that he is currently the
>>best spinner in cricket. He has started demonstrating his class
>>by taking 3 wkts for less than 50 runs in 20+ overs against Pakistan
>>in the first test. He is also the leading wicket taker in the
>>recently concluded Singer tournament. He has also started to
>>mature as a good batsman. He is improving!!

>>Still more to come from Shane!! No surprise.

>>Cheers,

>>V R Kumar

>Kumar
>    It is not the Warne or anybody else. It was Pakistani Batsmen like
>Jawed Miandad who used to play with bodth pad and bat and On top of that
>Pakistani Umpires made spinners look useless in Pakistan. But now With
>neutral unpires things are different. It is not Pakistani
>batting which has specialists against spin attack But it is The India

                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Quote:
>batsmen who are master of facing that kind of bowling. And they have

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>already given enough demosntration of that.

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        Oh is that so. Let me remind you of Edmonds and Pocock (1984-85 in
        India), Greg Matthews (1986-87 in India), Iqbal Qasim & Tauseef Ahmed
        (1986-87) who proved how "masterly" Indian batsmen are against spin.
        Traditionally, Pakistan batsmen  are just as good against spin as
        are Indians. On what basis do you claim Indian superiority in
        playing spin?
        Warne played against India as a novice. Sharjah proved that Warne
        can more than hold his own against the Indian batsmen.

Quote:

>Wath out for Indians now They are on a roll up and down doe'nt matter.

>Cheers

>Vijay

        Shariq