Will this be a "perception changing" and "defining" moment for Andrew Dunford ?

Will this be a "perception changing" and "defining" moment for Andrew Dunford ?

Post by Yorke » Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:15:19


Yuvraj 169 of 203 balls with 28 fours and 1 six with a One day'esque strike
rate of 83.5

http://SportToday.org/

Andrew Dunford on Yuvraj Singh last week

Gotta Laugh at Yuvraj's current form
http://SportToday.org/

I wonder why no one on rsc asked Andrew Dunford how can anyone "laugh"
at Yuvraj's "current form" based on his record and form in 2005/2006

http://SportToday.org/

Quote from todays cricinfo column:
"There is plenty left in this Test yet, but Yuvraj's innings is potentially
series-clinching for India. For himself, it could turn out to be
career-changing."

Question to be answered by rscers:
It could be potentially series-clinching for India and career-changing for
Yuvraj but would it be "perception changing" and "defining" moment
for cricket expert Andrew Dunford ?

Cricinfo on Yuvraj
http://SportToday.org/

India v Pakistan, 3rd Test, Bangalore, 1st day

A touch of Brian Lara

Sambit Bal

December 8, 2007

Perhaps the best compliment for Yuvraj Singh, who played one of the finest
innings under pressure you can hope to see, would be that he had a touch of
Brian Lara. There was the same high backlift, with the bat flowing down from
the eye level, the quick hands, malleable wrists, sensational timing and
perfect placement. To top it all, there was the part that couldn't be seen,
only sensed: the ability to create a bubble where the external factors - a
fresh pitch with a tinge of green, the hole that his team was in when he
walked in, and the fact that he was playing for Test spot - ceased to
matter.

Yuvraj and Sourav Ganguly, for whom no praise can be too high, did for India
what Rahul Dravid and VVS Laxman have long been renowned for doing, but it
will be no discredit to Ganguly to say Yuvraj's brilliance shaded his second
successive hundred. Not that he would have grudged it a whit: his eyes shone
brighter when he celebrated his team-mate's century than when he reached his
own. No one present at the ground, even his opponents, could stay untouched
by the breathtaking majesty of this innings.

At lunch, Indian would have felt a touch despondent. They had won the toss
and chosen to bat knowing that the pitch, which had been under covers for
the best part of the last few days, would be soft and offer seam movement.
But given their reliance on spin, in the absence of a full-strength pace
bowling attack, it was the only option available. Pakistan's bowlers wasted
the first hour somewhat by either spraying the ball wide or bowling too
short, but Yasir Arafat changed the course by introducing commonsense, and
bowling close to the stumps. At 61 for 4, India were in the danger of having
to bowl with the second new ball of the day.

Two significant things happened after lunch. Shoaib Akhtar - is he
Pakistan's biggest match-winner or their biggest liability? - went off
clutching his back. Far more importantly for India, Yuvraj batted like a
dream. He was hit on the head once and played and missed outside off-stump a
couple of times, and there was an edge off Danish Kaneria that Younis Khan
put down but, rather than being intimidated by the situation, he chose to
trust his game. He melted the pressure by allowing himself the freedom to
play his strokes and by tea it was the bowling side that looked hunted.

Yuvraj's driving on the offside was sensational, both off the front and back
foot, and the bowlers were clueless about what length to bowl to him. Some
cover drives were played with the full flourish of the bat and some were
punched exquisitely. Initially, Mohammed Sami and Arafat tried to cramp him
by bowling straight and he either punched them down the ground or picked
them through midwicket, generating velocity with his back-lift and wrists.
Ganguly kept him company by piercing the offside either side of the cover
fielder and the 127 runs they scored in the middle session changed the
course of the innings.

After tea, Pakistan were reduced to damage control. Sami sought to deny
Yuvraj by bowling a couple of feet outside off stump while Kaneria chose to
bowl his googlies from outside leg. And two men were stationed behind square
on the leg side for the top-edge to the occasional bouncer. Yuvraj refused
to be baited but neither did he slow down. He stayed away from the wide
balls but put away everything in driving range. When the sweeper was posted
at cover, he still managed to hit the ball wide of him; his only pull was
hit through midwicket, all along the ground. As the day progressed and the
pitch eased, fours became inevitable, irrespective of the bowler and the
field. At the end of his innings, his wagon wheel offered evidence of his
all-round domination: 92 on the onside, 77 on the off, 50 between point and
cover, 37 between square leg and midwicket. Ten of his 28 fours were hit
though cover and five through midwicket.

The innings was littered with dazzling strokes but a couple will stay in the
mind. The first was a mere push, perhaps a defensive jab, at a full ball
from Sami; such was the balance and timing that the ball sped past a bemused
mid-on fielder to the boundary. The second was a back-foot cover drive to a
ball from Arafat that deserved nothing more than a dead bat. By then,
though, Yuvraj was long past his hundred and the merit of the ball had
ceased to be of consequence. At that supreme moment, you felt in awe of the
batsman but it was difficult not to feel sorry for the bowler.

To Indian fans who have long been riled by the tendency of Pakistan's
batsmen to reserve their best for India - Zaheer Abbas and Javed Miandad
have been succeeded by Kamran Akmal (three of his four Test hundreds against
India) and Salman ***(all his four one-day hundreds) - Yuvraj's third Test
century against the old enemy would seem soothing retribution. That might be
missing the story, because of far more significance is another common
thread: each of these centuries have come when his team was in desperate
trouble. On a green top at Lahore in 2004, India were 94 for 4 and 147 for
7; at Karachi in 2006, they were 74 for 4 and Mohammed Asif was in the
middle of a dream spell, having knocked out Sachin Tendulkar and VVS Laxman
in quick succession. To each crisis Yuvraj has offered his fulsome and
natural brilliance. His stroke-making has always expectional, but his three
Test centuries have demonstrated that he has that special ability to play
them all when the chips are down.

His latest hundred has given the Indian management a happy headache. They
will have one hell of a decision to make when they sit down to pick the team
for the next Test, in Australia. Despite his outstanding run in the shorter
version of the game, doubts have lingered over the suitability of his
technique and temperament for cricket's most challenging form. Yuvraj has
banished those misgivings with an innings of such force and pedigree that to
keep him out would be a brave decision - and may ultimately be a foolish
one.

There is plenty left in this Test yet, but Yuvraj's innings is potentially
series-clinching for India. For himself, it could turn out to be
career-changing.

 
 
 

Will this be a "perception changing" and "defining" moment for Andrew Dunford ?

Post by driz » Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:25:15


Quote:
> Yuvraj 169 of 203 balls with 28 fours and 1 six with a One day'esque strike
> rate of 83.5

> http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/indvpak/engine/current/match/297808.html

> Andrew Dunford on Yuvraj Singh last week

> Gotta Laugh at Yuvraj's current formhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/8ca935d8781891f6

> I wonder why no one on rsc asked Andrew Dunford how can anyone "laugh"
> at Yuvraj's "current form" based on his record and form in 2005/2006

> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/f78118d02ace47a3

Dude ... this bowling attack of Pak is weaker than that of Bangladesh
or Zimbabwe. If you think Yuvi can score like this in Australia in
test based on this 169 you've got to be dreaming..

But its definitely a lucky break for him if he goes to australia. And
i'd like to see him hammering the aussie bowlers the same way..

 
 
 

Will this be a "perception changing" and "defining" moment for Andrew Dunford ?

Post by Vig » Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:44:38

Quote:

> Yuvraj 169 of 203 balls with 28 fours and 1 six with a One day'esque
> strike
> rate of 83.5

The one-dayesque strike rate is what bothers me. The pitch and the bowling
allowed him to score at such a fair clip. While I firmly believe that he has
firmly cemented his position in the test team with this display, I would
still wait to pass judgment on his test materialness after his temperament
has been tried in tougher conditions (even if the pressure is off)

Quote:

> http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/indvpak/engine/current/match/297808.html

> Andrew Dunford on Yuvraj Singh last week

> Gotta Laugh at Yuvraj's current form
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/8ca935d8781891f6

> I wonder why no one on rsc asked Andrew Dunford how can anyone "laugh"
> at Yuvraj's "current form" based on his record and form in 2005/2006

Because we were laughing with him. Andrew was referring to his first class
record since the time he was dropped which qualifies as current. I, for one,
hope desperately that I was wrong about Yuvi and that he has gained an
immense amount of maturity since and that he thrives under pressure even if
he takes it lightly when it's not.

Quote:
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/f78118d02ace47a3

> Quote from todays cricinfo column:
> "There is plenty left in this Test yet, but Yuvraj's innings is
> potentially
> series-clinching for India. For himself, it could turn out to be
> career-changing."

> Question to be answered by rscers:
> It could be potentially series-clinching for India and career-changing for
> Yuvraj but would it be "perception changing" and "defining" moment
> for cricket expert Andrew Dunford ?

While this innings defines him as a batsman under pressure, the article was
liberally sprinkled with words like 'potentially' and 'could' which I agree
with. I'm waiting eagerly for one.

Cheers!
--
Vig

 
 
 

Will this be a "perception changing" and "defining" moment for Andrew Dunford ?

Post by Andrew Dunfor » Tue, 11 Dec 2007 07:41:30


Quote:


>> Yuvraj 169 of 203 balls with 28 fours and 1 six with a One day'esque
>> strike
>> rate of 83.5

> The one-dayesque strike rate is what bothers me. The pitch and the bowling
> allowed him to score at such a fair clip. While I firmly believe that he
> has firmly cemented his position in the test team with this display, I
> would still wait to pass judgment on his test materialness after his
> temperament has been tried in tougher conditions (even if the pressure is
> off)

>> http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/indvpak/engine/current/match/297808.html

>> Andrew Dunford on Yuvraj Singh last week

>> Gotta Laugh at Yuvraj's current form
>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/8ca935d8781891f6

>> I wonder why no one on rsc asked Andrew Dunford how can anyone "laugh"
>> at Yuvraj's "current form" based on his record and form in 2005/2006

> Because we were laughing with him. Andrew was referring to his first class
> record since the time he was dropped which qualifies as current. I, for
> one, hope desperately that I was wrong about Yuvi and that he has gained
> an immense amount of maturity since and that he thrives under pressure
> even if he takes it lightly when it's not.

>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/f78118d02ace47a3

Fair's fair: it's an important part of the OP's therapy that he be allowed
to gloat as though he scored the runs himself.

I am gratified however that somebody is capable of demonstrating an
understating of the very simple concept that a poor run in first-class
matches *since* 2005/06 can only be interpreted as "record and form in
2005/06" by trolls and the terminally stupid.

Well played Yuvraj.  However this innings has made no change to my previous
perception that he is a very talented player who is yet to consistently
justify the 'talented' label in Test cricket.  Indeed as he already had a
fine record against Pakistan and a poor one against almost everybody else,
the latest century merely emphasises that he needs to score runs against
other teams before the rest of the world will take him seriously.

<snip>
<irrelevant cross-posting removed>

Andrew

 
 
 

Will this be a "perception changing" and "defining" moment for Andrew Dunford ?

Post by Yorke » Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:33:43


Quote:





>>> Yuvraj 169 of 203 balls with 28 fours and 1 six with a One day'esque
>>> strike
>>> rate of 83.5

>> The one-dayesque strike rate is what bothers me. The pitch and the
>> bowling
>> allowed him to score at such a fair clip. While I firmly believe that he
>> has firmly cemented his position in the test team with this display, I
>> would still wait to pass judgment on his test materialness after his
>> temperament has been tried in tougher conditions (even if the pressure is
>> off)

>>> http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/indvpak/engine/current/match/297808.html

>>> Andrew Dunford on Yuvraj Singh last week

>>> Gotta Laugh at Yuvraj's current form
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/8ca935d8781891f6

>>> I wonder why no one on rsc asked Andrew Dunford how can anyone "laugh"
>>> at Yuvraj's "current form" based on his record and form in 2005/2006

>> Because we were laughing with him. Andrew was referring to his first
>> class
>> record since the time he was dropped which qualifies as current. I, for
>> one, hope desperately that I was wrong about Yuvi and that he has gained
>> an immense amount of maturity since and that he thrives under pressure
>> even if he takes it lightly when it's not.

>>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/f78118d02ace47a3

> Fair's fair: it's an important part of the OP's therapy that he be allowed
> to gloat as though he scored the runs himself.

I keep wondering where these expert western psycho-analysts are being
mass produced......lol

Quote:
> I am gratified however that somebody is capable of demonstrating an
> understating of the very simple concept that a poor run in first-class
> matches *since* 2005/06 can only be interpreted as "record and form in
> 2005/06" by trolls and the terminally stupid.

I am terminally stupid to think that the current year is 2007 ??
Roflmao

Vig is the second most slavish Indian on this newsgroup after
Geico Caveman. Ex-Colonialists can easily sell shit as gold to
the Geicos and Vigs even today.

Yuvraj has been in "terrific current form" for the last few months in both
20/20 and 50/50 matches with his confidence "sky high"

Six Sixes of a test playing nation England team bowler Chris Broad
not enough to judge a batsman's "current form" ??

A few blistering half centuries and cameos in 20/20 and 50/50 in the
last few months not enough to judge a batsmans "current form" ?
Hello...

You have to learn to accept the fact you are no cricket expert and also
learn to gracefully apologize when you make imbecile comments.

You attacked me and the other guy Madhu in Karthick vs Yuvraj
thread and we both turned out to be right in our assesment and analysis
of these two Indian cricket players while you turned out to be a
complete idiot and illogical fool.

Quote:
> Well played Yuvraj.  However this innings has made no change to my
> previous
> perception that he is a very talented player who is yet to consistently
> justify the 'talented' label in Test cricket.

"Usual spin" from the spinning expert Andrew Dunford.

The topic of discussion is whether Yuvraj should replace Karthick in the
Indian team for the bangalore test based on their current form.

The answer is a resounding "yes" as me and Madhu analyzed "before"
the bangalore test started.

Andrew Dunford, eat crow and accept defeat like a real man. I am sure
cricinfo geniuses will mention how graceful you are in in their next
column...lol

Quote:
>Indeed as he already had a
> fine record against Pakistan and a poor one against almost everybody else,
> the latest century merely emphasises that he needs to score runs against
> other teams before the rest of the world will take him seriously.

Again the main topic of discussion is whether Yuvraj should replace Karthick
in the Indian team for bangalore test based on their "current form".

The discussion is "not" about whether rest of the world will take Yuvraj
seriously.

Stop spinning dude. You lost and you looked like a friggin fool.

You were never a cricket expert and you will never be one in the
future.

Quote:
> <snip>
> <irrelevant cross-posting removed>

> Andrew

Posting to uk.sport.cricket and aus.sport.cricket is not cross posting since
they are cricket newsgroups.
 
 
 

Will this be a "perception changing" and "defining" moment for Andrew Dunford ?

Post by CDK » Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:04:36

<snip>

Quote:

>> <snip>
>> <irrelevant cross-posting removed>

>> Andrew

> Posting to uk.sport.cricket and aus.sport.cricket is not cross posting since
> they are cricket newsgroups.

Does yuvi play for England or Australia?

CDK

 
 
 

Will this be a "perception changing" and "defining" moment for Andrew Dunford ?

Post by Yorke » Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:10:50


Quote:


> <snip>

>>> <snip>
>>> <irrelevant cross-posting removed>

>>> Andrew

>> Posting to uk.sport.cricket and aus.sport.cricket is not cross posting
>> since
>> they are cricket newsgroups.

> Does yuvi play for England or Australia?

> CDK

Do England and Australia play the game of "cricket" ?
 
 
 

Will this be a "perception changing" and "defining" moment for Andrew Dunford ?

Post by Diggle » Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:04:32

Quote:
> Question to be answered by rscers:
> It could be potentially series-clinching for India and career-changing for
> Yuvraj but would it be "perception changing" and "defining" moment
> for cricket expert Andrew Dunford ?

The answer is no. It appears evident that Andrew is referring to the
lack of consistency in Y Singh's first-class career, for which he has
just made one really good score. On a flat track. Against a terrible
side. Still just a good one-day player.
 
 
 

Will this be a "perception changing" and "defining" moment for Andrew Dunford ?

Post by CDK » Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:22:04

Quote:





>> <snip>

>>>> <snip>
>>>> <irrelevant cross-posting removed>

>>>> Andrew

>>> Posting to uk.sport.cricket and aus.sport.cricket is not cross posting
>>> since
>>> they are cricket newsgroups.
>> Does yuvi play for England or Australia?

>> CDK

> Do England and Australia play the game of "cricket" ?

They do, but that would be the same as talking about indian politics on
aus.politics

CDK

 
 
 

Will this be a "perception changing" and "defining" moment for Andrew Dunford ?

Post by Yorke » Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:05:06


Quote:
>> Question to be answered by rscers:
>> It could be potentially series-clinching for India and career-changing
>> for
>> Yuvraj but would it be "perception changing" and "defining" moment
>> for cricket expert Andrew Dunford ?

> The answer is no. It appears evident that Andrew is referring to the
> lack of consistency in Y Singh's first-class career, for which he has
> just made one really good score. On a flat track. Against a terrible
> side. Still just a good one-day player.

Gotta laugh at Yuvraj's "current form" backed by his no.of runs in 2005/06
vs mighty West Indies by Andrew Dunford
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/8ca935d8781891f6

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/376788dc46e30494

 
 
 

Will this be a "perception changing" and "defining" moment for Andrew Dunford ?

Post by Yorke » Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:10:52


Quote:





>>> <snip>

>>>>> <snip>
>>>>> <irrelevant cross-posting removed>

>>>>> Andrew

>>>> Posting to uk.sport.cricket and aus.sport.cricket is not cross posting
>>>> since
>>>> they are cricket newsgroups.
>>> Does yuvi play for England or Australia?

>>> CDK

>> Do England and Australia play the game of "cricket" ?

> They do, but that would be the same as talking about indian politics on
> aus.politics

> CDK

Boring analogy.

Andrew Dunford who is a NewZealander lives in England.

I will post my comments to whatever newsgroups I want.

Go find some work if you have too much free time on your hand.

 
 
 

Will this be a "perception changing" and "defining" moment for Andrew Dunford ?

Post by CDK » Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:19:59

Quote:








>>>> <snip>

>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>> <irrelevant cross-posting removed>

>>>>>> Andrew
>>>>> Posting to uk.sport.cricket and aus.sport.cricket is not cross posting
>>>>> since
>>>>> they are cricket newsgroups.
>>>> Does yuvi play for England or Australia?

>>>> CDK

>>> Do England and Australia play the game of "cricket" ?
>> They do, but that would be the same as talking about indian politics on
>> aus.politics

>> CDK

> Boring analogy.

> Andrew Dunford who is a NewZealander lives in England.

So.

He is far more knowlegable about the game than you.

Quote:
> I will post my comments to whatever newsgroups I want.

Will you mummy give you a new dummy too?

Quote:
> Go find some work if you have too much free time on your hand.

I have sufficient work thanks

*plonk*

CDK

 
 
 

Will this be a "perception changing" and "defining" moment for Andrew Dunford ?

Post by Yorke » Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:30:52


Quote:








>>>>> <snip>

>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>> <irrelevant cross-posting removed>

>>>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>> Posting to uk.sport.cricket and aus.sport.cricket is not cross
>>>>>> posting since
>>>>>> they are cricket newsgroups.
>>>>> Does yuvi play for England or Australia?

>>>>> CDK

>>>> Do England and Australia play the game of "cricket" ?
>>> They do, but that would be the same as talking about indian politics on
>>> aus.politics

>>> CDK

>> Boring analogy.

>> Andrew Dunford who is a NewZealander lives in England.

> So.

So so.

Quote:
> He is far more knowlegable about the game than you.

Yeah I can see Andrew Dunford is a cricket expert from his comment.

You gotta laugh at Yuvraj's "current form" backed by his
runs in 2005/2006 vs the mighty West Indies by Andrew Dunford.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/8ca935d8781891f6

Quote:
>> I will post my comments to whatever newsgroups I want.

> Will you mummy give you a new dummy too?

Will your mummy give you a new dummy too and will your
daddy (wrong one) give you a new dummy too ?

Quote:
>> Go find some work if you have too much free time on your hand.

> I have sufficient work thanks

> *plonk*

> CDK

You dont.

*plonk*

 
 
 

Will this be a "perception changing" and "defining" moment for Andrew Dunford ?

Post by CricketLeagu » Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:43:31


Quote:








>>>>> <snip>

>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>> <irrelevant cross-posting removed>

>>>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>> Posting to uk.sport.cricket and aus.sport.cricket is not cross
>>>>>> posting since
>>>>>> they are cricket newsgroups.
>>>>> Does yuvi play for England or Australia?

>>>>> CDK

>>>> Do England and Australia play the game of "cricket" ?
>>> They do, but that would be the same as talking about indian politics on
>>> aus.politics

>>> CDK

>> Boring analogy.

>> Andrew Dunford who is a NewZealander lives in England.

> So.

> He is far more knowlegable about the game than you.

>> I will post my comments to whatever newsgroups I want.

> Will you mummy give you a new dummy too?

Rodney Ulyate the psychopath is back in its CDK reincarnation.

Your mummy must have sold the wrong daddy to you, Rodney.

- Show quoted text -

Quote:
>> Go find some work if you have too much free time on your hand.

> I have sufficient work thanks

> *plonk*

> CDK

 
 
 

Will this be a "perception changing" and "defining" moment for Andrew Dunford ?

Post by Diggle » Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:26:38

Quote:
> Yeah I can see Andrew Dunford is a cricket expert from his comment.

> You gotta laugh at Yuvraj's "current form" backed by his
> runs in 2005/2006 vs the mighty West Indies by Andrew
> Dunford.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/8ca935d8781891f6

The scores that he made against the Windies were 23, 39, 2, 0, 8*, 19
and 13, and the Windies are disgraceful. It was a fair comment, by
anyone's reckoning.