duck, golden duck, diamond duck

duck, golden duck, diamond duck

Post by jzfredrick » Sat, 30 May 2009 14:41:11


duck == getting out for 0 run
golden duck == getting out on your first legal delivery
diamond duck == getting out without facing a legal delivery

Questions;

a) any arguments there?

b) What about the 'legal delivery' part of gold and diamond ducks? If
the first delivery I face is a wide, and I run, but get run out.. what
kind of duck would you call that?

c) If my first ball is a no-ball, and the next ball I get out (for
zero runs) is that a duck or a golden duck?

d) I've once scored a diamond duck, but not standard ducks, and
someone asked "have you ever got a duck", would you answer;

i) Yes, but it was a diamond
ii) No, but I once got a diamond duck

ie does "duck" in that question cover all 3 types.

thank you all :)

this is for some scoring software, so any input would be most
appreciated

 
 
 

duck, golden duck, diamond duck

Post by Geoff Muldoo » Sat, 30 May 2009 15:24:15

jzfredricks says...

Quote:
> duck == getting out for 0 run

Yes.  Although I prefer the phrase "getting out WITHOUT SCORING"

Quote:
> golden duck == getting out on your first legal delivery

== getting out WITHOUT SCORING on your first legal delivery
(your first delivery could be an illegal no-ball where you score
additional runs off the bat, so are no longer on zero, not any kind of
duck)

Quote:
> diamond duck == getting out without facing a legal delivery

== getting out WITHOUT SCORING without facing a legal delivery
(as above)

Quote:
> Questions;

> a) any arguments there?

Yes, see above.

Quote:
> b) What about the 'legal delivery' part of gold and diamond ducks? If
> the first delivery I face is a wide, and I run, but get run out.. what
> kind of duck would you call that?

A diamond duck.  Just like being run out as a non-striker without facing a
legal delivery.

Quote:
> c) If my first ball is a no-ball, and the next ball I get out (for
> zero runs) is that a duck or a golden duck?

A golden duck.  First LEGAL delivery.

Quote:
> d) I've once scored a diamond duck, but not standard ducks, and
> someone asked "have you ever got a duck", would you answer;

> i) Yes, but it was a diamond
> ii) No, but I once got a diamond duck

> ie does "duck" in that question cover all 3 types.

I would say: I) Yes, AND (not but) it was a diamond.

Geoff M

 
 
 

duck, golden duck, diamond duck

Post by dechuck » Sat, 30 May 2009 15:27:26


Quote:
> duck == getting out for 0 run
> golden duck == getting out on your first legal delivery
> diamond duck == getting out without facing a legal delivery

> Questions;

> a) any arguments there?

> b) What about the 'legal delivery' part of gold and diamond ducks? If
> the first delivery I face is a wide, and I run, but get run out.. what
> kind of duck would you call that?

diamond duck but a bit suss

Quote:

> c) If my first ball is a no-ball, and the next ball I get out (for
> zero runs) is that a duck or a golden duck?

duck

Quote:
> d) I've once scored a diamond duck, but not standard ducks, and
> someone asked "have you ever got a duck", would you answer;

> i) Yes, but it was a diamond
> ii) No, but I once got a diamond duck

> ie does "duck" in that question cover all 3 types.

yes  BUT ( as I hit the *** )

1 ) if out caught  - I didn't hit the ball  ( even if the catch was taken on
the boundary )

2) if out LBW  - I hit the ball

3) if out bowled or run out - they appealed before the bails were below the
level of the stumps and the air from the appeal deflected the bails so they
couldn't resttle

snip

 
 
 

duck, golden duck, diamond duck

Post by jzfredrick » Sat, 30 May 2009 16:12:14



thanks Geoff, that all makes sense. I was a bit lazy with my
definitions, plus I missed some stuff.

What about these tweaks;

Duck
Getting out without scoring.

Golden Duck
Getting out, without scoring, during/on your first legal delivery. Is
considered a "duck", but not a "diamond duck".

Diamond Duck
Getting out, without scoring, without having faced a legal delivery.
Is considered a "duck", but not a "golden duck".

Questions;

e) scenario: first ball is legal, we score a leg bye. Next ball I am
run out. No runs scored plus 1 legal delivery faced. Golden duck, or
just duck? I'd be inclined to say "Duck, not golden".

f) If there was a club called "The SuperDuper, Fantastic Golden Duck
Club" should someone with JUST a diamond duck be able to join it?

thanks for your input

 
 
 

duck, golden duck, diamond duck

Post by jzfredrick » Sat, 30 May 2009 16:16:00


Quote:
> > c) If my first ball is a no-ball, and the next ball I get out (for
> > zero runs) is that a duck or a golden duck?

> duck

I think Geoff's interpretation is better, no offence.

Quote:
> 3) if out bowled or run out - they appealed before the bails were below the
> level of the stumps and the air from the appeal deflected the bails so they
> couldn't resttle

:)

talk to Andrew about that, please. You KNOW I've no idea what's going
on.

 
 
 

duck, golden duck, diamond duck

Post by dechuck » Sat, 30 May 2009 16:35:03



Quote:
> > c) If my first ball is a no-ball, and the next ball I get out (for
> > zero runs) is that a duck or a golden duck?

> duck

I think Geoff's interpretation is better, no offence.

Quote:
> 3) if out bowled or run out - they appealed before the bails were below
> the
> level of the stumps and the air from the appeal deflected the bails so
> they
> couldn't resttle

:)

talk to Andrew about that, please. You KNOW I've no idea what's going
on.

=========================

neither do I. I subscribe to rsc

 
 
 

duck, golden duck, diamond duck

Post by Gerri » Sat, 30 May 2009 20:39:31




thanks Geoff, that all makes sense. I was a bit lazy with my
definitions, plus I missed some stuff.

What about these tweaks;

Duck
Getting out without scoring.

Golden Duck
Getting out, without scoring, during/on your first legal delivery. Is
considered a "duck", but not a "diamond duck".

Diamond Duck
Getting out, without scoring, without having faced a legal delivery.
Is considered a "duck", but not a "golden duck".

Questions;

e) scenario: first ball is legal, we score a leg bye. Next ball I am
run out. No runs scored plus 1 legal delivery faced. Golden duck, or
just duck? I'd be inclined to say "Duck, not golden".

f) If there was a club called "The SuperDuper, Fantastic Golden Duck
Club" should someone with JUST a diamond duck be able to join it?

thanks for your input
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

e)  Just an ordinary duck. This doesn't fit the criteria for a golden duck -
see the word "your" in the definition.

f)   If you get a golden duck in any other innings you qualify. :-)  BTW if
this is for some software I assume that players will play many games - maybe
you can make membership  of that super club only open to players who have
"scored" ten GDs.

 
 
 

duck, golden duck, diamond duck

Post by jzfredrick » Sat, 30 May 2009 21:10:36


Quote:
> f) ? If you get a golden duck in any other innings you qualify. :-) ?BTW if
> this is for some software I assume that players will play many games - maybe
> you can make membership ?of that super club only open to players who have
> "scored" ten GDs.

like half of my middle order...
 
 
 

duck, golden duck, diamond duck

Post by Mike Goodin » Sat, 30 May 2009 21:21:38


Quote:
> duck == getting out for 0 run
> golden duck == getting out on your first legal delivery
> diamond duck == getting out without facing a legal delivery

> Questions;

> a) any arguments there?

Only that I've always referred to ( and got) hairy ducks rather than
golden ducks.

Saw Barry Richards get a Diamond duck once, which just about ruined
the day for me.

Mike Gooding
---------------------

 
 
 

duck, golden duck, diamond duck

Post by tendulkar.co » Sun, 31 May 2009 01:14:27


Quote:
> duck == getting out for 0 run
> golden duck == getting out on your first legal delivery
> diamond duck == getting out without facing a legal delivery

> Questions;

> a) any arguments there?

> b) What about the 'legal delivery' part of gold and diamond ducks? If
> the first delivery I face is a wide, and I run, but get run out.. what
> kind of duck would you call that?

> c) If my first ball is a no-ball, and the next ball I get out (for
> zero runs) is that a duck or a golden duck?

> d) I've once scored a diamond duck, but not standard ducks, and
> someone asked "have you ever got a duck", would you answer;

> i) Yes, but it was a diamond
> ii) No, but I once got a diamond duck

> ie does "duck" in that question cover all 3 types.

> thank you all :)

> this is for some scoring software, so any input would be most
> appreciated

If you want to be thorough, you should also add other versions of
ducks

4) Not out Duck after playing a few balls
5) Not out Duck without facing a ball
6) Valiant Duck, saving a match with 0*
7) Good Samaritan Duck (Scored a duck, but had a 250 run partnership)
8) Duck on Debut

 
 
 

duck, golden duck, diamond duck

Post by cricdabb.. » Sun, 31 May 2009 05:19:38

People have missed at least three important ducks:

1) Peking Duck
A sumptuous, stroke-filled innings, filled with delicate cuts,
like thin strands of scallion, along with the rich hoisin sauce
of more vigorous strokes off the meat of the bat, all of which
go straight into the pancake hands of fielders preventing any
scoring.

2) Bombay Duck
A smelly, chance-filled innings before the batsman is out without
scoring.

3) Duck a l'Orange
A duck in French Cricket.

[By some freak of fate, the validation word in Google Groups --
yes, I'm bad -- is "ingest".]

 
 
 

duck, golden duck, diamond duck

Post by jzfredrick » Sun, 31 May 2009 06:53:28


Quote:
> If you want to be thorough, you should also add other versions of
> ducks

Sorry, not sure if that's a serious reply. You are generally sincere,
even if wrong :), so I'll assume as such.

I think 99.9% of cricketers would say you must get out for any kind of
duck.

 
 
 

duck, golden duck, diamond duck

Post by cricdabb.. » Sun, 31 May 2009 08:02:13


Quote:

> > If you want to be thorough, you should also add other versions of
> > ducks

> Sorry, not sure if that's a serious reply. You are generally sincere,

That's the saddest thing I've ever read.
 
 
 

duck, golden duck, diamond duck

Post by sdavmo » Sun, 31 May 2009 10:31:38

Quote:

> People have missed at least three important ducks:

> 1) Peking Duck
> A sumptuous, stroke-filled innings, filled with delicate cuts,
> like thin strands of scallion, along with the rich hoisin sauce
> of more vigorous strokes off the meat of the bat, all of which
> go straight into the pancake hands of fielders preventing any
> scoring.

> 2) Bombay Duck
> A smelly, chance-filled innings before the batsman is out without
> scoring.

> 3) Duck a l'Orange
> A duck in French Cricket.

> [By some freak of fate, the validation word in Google Groups --
> yes, I'm bad -- is "ingest".]

[applause]

Very good additions!  Especially "Bombay Duck".
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duck, golden duck, diamond duck

Post by cricdabb.. » Mon, 01 Jun 2009 01:37:08

Of course, the most important duck of all in cricket today
is the Duck-WorthLewis. That's when you make 100, but after
the application of a complex secret formula your score is
entered as 0.