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by **Lenin Mara** » Sat, 13 Nov 1999 04:00:00

"Sledging"is acceptable to many. The thinking is players should be able
to ignore such nonsense and concentrate on what they are doing be it
batting or bowling. In a similar vein why can't "Excessive Appealing" be
accepted to. Umpires at this level should also be able to ignore this
and concentrate on their job.

Also if the intention of the "sledger" is to disturb the
concentration of the opposing player so as to induce him to make
mistakes why shouldn't such a tactics used against the umpires be
acceptable.

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Peace,
Lenin

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by **Ian** » Sun, 14 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

> "Sledging"is acceptable to many.

And equally unacceptable to MOST others.. Why should "sledging" be allowed
at all???

Quote:

> The thinking is players should be able
> to ignore such nonsense and concentrate on what they are doing be it
> batting or bowling. In a similar vein why can't "Excessive Appealing" be
> accepted to.
> Umpires at this level should also be able to ignore this and concentrate on their job.

And most usually do... But there are some players who insist on almost
getting up an umpires nose and then shout at the top of their lungs. There
is no need for it.

As an Umpire I tend to go very "deaf" to such appeals and make sure the
fielders know that.. They soon get the idea.

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> Also if the intention of the "sledger" is to disturb the
> concentration of the opposing player so as to induce him to make
> mistakes why shouldn't such a tactics used against the umpires be
> acceptable.

If I caught anyone "sledging" in the manner you describe - disturbing the
concentration of an opposing player - the ball would be called "dead" they
would be on report so quick...

As for using such tactics against Umpires - one word springs to mind :-
"Cheating". And that's all it really is. It achieves nothing except to bring
disrepute on the players involved.

Little thing called "Fair Play".......

73 de Ian.

by **Mad Hami** » Sun, 14 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

>"Sledging"is acceptable to many. The thinking is players should be able
>to ignore such nonsense and concentrate on what they are doing be it
>batting or bowling. In a similar vein why can't "Excessive Appealing" be
>accepted to. Umpires at this level should also be able to ignore this
>and concentrate on their job.

>Also if the intention of the "sledger" is to disturb the
>concentration of the opposing player so as to induce him to make
>mistakes why shouldn't such a tactics used against the umpires be
>acceptable.

So if bouncing the batsman is acceptable...

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by **A Morga** » Mon, 15 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

>"Sledging"is acceptable to many. The thinking is players should be able
>to ignore such nonsense and concentrate on what they are doing be it
>batting or bowling. In a similar vein why can't "Excessive Appealing" be
>accepted to. Umpires at this level should also be able to ignore this
>and concentrate on their job.

Right sure. If you reckon. Say what you like but umpires take offence at
this and rightly so, additionally teams do this at their own peril as
umpires can quite quickly get used to appeals and just think that if wasn't
out. Also sometimes umpires have to take a teams word for it that something
was out, i.e. a bat pad and stuff - a team that constantly appeals will not
and should not be believed.

At the moment this is clearly the case with Sri Lanka who have an extremely
bad reputation with umpires - this is not favourable to there cause at all,
whilst on the other hand Shane Warne (after not claiming the Saeed Anwar
catch) could probably 'manufacture' (not saying he should or would, just
saying he 'could') several catches because of the credability he and
probably the entire Australian team would get from it. A good example of
this was the Steve Waugh/Lara incident in the Windies a few tours ago when
Steve Waugh claim a catch that turned out had been dropped (not saying it
was or wasn't deliberate - we probably wont ever know - although I doubt
that it was deliberate given the fact that it was on international
television) Steve Bucknor (I think he was the ump) gave it out because (as
he said later) he believed that Steve Waugh was an honest man and wouldn't
lie.

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>Also if the intention of the "sledger" is to disturb the
>concentration of the opposing player so as to induce him to make
>mistakes why shouldn't such a tactics used against the umpires be
>acceptable.

by **Daniel Laidla** » Mon, 15 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

> "Sledging"is acceptable to many. The thinking is players should be able
> to ignore such nonsense and concentrate on what they are doing be it
> batting or bowling. In a similar vein why can't "Excessive Appealing" be
> accepted to. Umpires at this level should also be able to ignore this
> and concentrate on their job.

One reason would be that it detracts from the game, whereas sledging goes
largely unnoticed. The umpires are not a third team competing in a match.
Surely anything done with the intent to unsettle or pressurise them beyond a
reasonable extent is wrong. When someone is screaming in your face every
other ball I would say it becomes difficult to ignore and concentrate on the
task at hand.

Quote:

> Also if the intention of the "sledger" is to disturb the
> concentration of the opposing player so as to induce him to make
> mistakes why shouldn't such a tactics used against the umpires be
> acceptable.

Because players aren't waging a war against the umpires! They are supposed
to be neutral officials who oversee the running of a match. If players are
to compete against the umpires then the umpires should have the right to
take action against a player they don't like. This could be done by simply
giving him out. It would be the ultimate form of revenge. And for a bowler,
all an umpire would have to do is keep calling no ball... The point being it
is ridiculous to create a players vs umpires situation.

Daniel

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> Lenin

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by **<kst..** » Mon, 15 Nov 1999 04:00:00

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> Sledging has been part of the game since earliest times. Keep it impersonal
> and shut up while the bowler is running in and it can be quite good fun.
> Especially if there is someone with wit or a sense of humour on the oval.

Impersonal? I think sledging can be a lot of fun when it is personal,
providing it is not in bad taste.

Quote:

> Dissention on umpiring decisions is intolerable and should be reported. Of
> course Umpires make mistakes. But to show dissention is not acceptable.

Agreed.

Ivan Skivar

by **Mad Hami** » Mon, 15 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

>>"Sledging"is acceptable to many. The thinking is players should be able
>>to ignore such nonsense and concentrate on what they are doing be it
>>batting or bowling. In a similar vein why can't "Excessive Appealing" be
>>accepted to. Umpires at this level should also be able to ignore this
>>and concentrate on their job.

>Right sure. If you reckon. Say what you like but umpires take offence at
>this and rightly so, additionally teams do this at their own peril as
>umpires can quite quickly get used to appeals and just think that if wasn't
>out. Also sometimes umpires have to take a teams word for it that something
>was out, i.e. a bat pad and stuff - a team that constantly appeals will not
>and should not be believed.

>At the moment this is clearly the case with Sri Lanka who have an extremely
>bad reputation with umpires - this is not favourable to there cause at all,
>whilst on the other hand Shane Warne (after not claiming the Saeed Anwar
>catch) could probably 'manufacture' (not saying he should or would, just
>saying he 'could') several catches because of the credability he and
>probably the entire Australian team would get from it.

Huh? Australia is meant to have a reputation for not appealing excessively?
Have you watched them in the last 10 years? <g>

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> A good example of
>this was the Steve Waugh/Lara incident in the Windies a few tours ago when
>Steve Waugh claim a catch that turned out had been dropped

It was at least dodgy, I'm not completely convinced by the replay I saw that it
was dropped.

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> (not saying it
>was or wasn't deliberate - we probably wont ever know - although I doubt
>that it was deliberate given the fact that it was on international
>television) Steve Bucknor (I think he was the ump) gave it out because (as
>he said later) he believed that Steve Waugh was an honest man and wouldn't
>lie.

actually I'm told that Lara walked because it was Steve Waugh.
Steve is meant to have apologized to him later when he saw the replays.

Quote:

>>Also if the intention of the "sledger" is to disturb the
>>concentration of the opposing player so as to induce him to make
>>mistakes why shouldn't such a tactics used against the umpires be
>>acceptable.

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of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.
Fortunately only a simple majority is required.'
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by **Donald Ros** » Tue, 16 Nov 1999 04:00:00

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> One reason would be that it detracts from the game, whereas sledging goes
> largely unnoticed. The umpires are not a third team competing in a match.

Most Umpires' courses stress that there are THREE teams on the field, two
playing cricket and the umpires. It is always essential that the Umpires
act like the team that they are.

As a former umpire, I can tell you that I never or at worst rarely had a
problem with appeals. If they were too frequent, I would simply call over
the fielding side's captain and say "skipper, they're getting a bit out of
hand, care to get them under a bit of control". Said with a friendly smile,
it worked.

Sledging has been part of the game since earliest times. Keep it impersonal
and shut up while the bowler is running in and it can be quite good fun.
Especially if there is someone with wit or a sense of humour on the oval.

Dissention on umpiring decisions is intolerable and should be reported. Of
course Umpires make mistakes. But to show dissention is not acceptable.

Don

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