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by **suresh_abra..** » Sat, 05 Dec 1998 04:00:00

I just noticed something interesting. Bombay has only One
player playing for the India A team, and only One player
in the Indian Squad to NZ.

Is this the smallest representation Bombay has ever had?

Notice, Bombay has lost only once in 5 years in ODs
and only twice in 3Ds. They also demolished
the great Aussie team in three days!

Does this mean that Bombay plays very well as a team
but does not have many individual stars?

Suresh [just observing and wondering] Abraham

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by **Sundarraman Subramania** » Sat, 05 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> Notice, Bombay has lost only once in 5 years in ODs
> and only twice in 3Ds. They also demolished
> the great Aussie team in three days!

> Does this mean that Bombay plays very well as a team
> but does not have many individual stars?

On the contrary, it is my considered belief that Bombay owed its
victory to the one and only SRT, notwithstanding Kuru's prowess
with the ball in that match.

Sundar Subramanian

by **Rohan Chandr** » Sat, 05 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>On the contrary, it is my considered belief that Bombay owed its
>victory to the one and only SRT, notwithstanding Kuru's prowess
>with the ball in that match.

You seriously underestimate the influence of the sacrifices offered to
the Gods by one Sadiq Yusuf. It is rumoured (from a reliable source)
that he sacrificed two slices of pizza, and one cricket tape.

The tape, of course, belonged to me, but that's another matter.

Rohan.
--
Overrated XI: 1. Michael Slater 2. Gary Kirsten 3. Nasser Hussain
4. Brian Lara (c) 5. Ricky Ponting 6. Alec Stewart (w) 7. Azhar
Mahmood 8. Ajit Agarkar 9. Daniel Vettori 10. Dominic Cork 11. Muttiah

by **Sundarraman Subramania** » Sat, 05 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> You seriously underestimate the influence of the sacrifices offered to
> the Gods by one Sadiq Yusuf. It is rumoured (from a reliable source)
> that he sacrificed two slices of pizza, and one cricket tape.

> The tape, of course, belonged to me, but that's another matter.

Good one, Rohan (with due apologies to Offie) :-)

Quote:

> Overrated XI: 1. Michael Slater 2. Gary Kirsten 3. Nasser Hussain
> 4. Brian Lara (c) 5. Ricky Ponting 6. Alec Stewart (w) 7. Azhar
> Mahmood 8. Ajit Agarkar 9. Daniel Vettori 10. Dominic Cork 11. Muttiah

Interesting. Lara and Kirsten overrated? And Stewart was never
overrated, IMO. He is ever in the Srikkanth mode (patta baakyam,
padatta legiyam, sorry for the Tamil).

Sundar Subramanian

by **Uday Raja** » Sat, 05 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> >On the contrary, it is my considered belief that Bombay owed its
> >victory to the one and only SRT, notwithstanding Kuru's prowess
> >with the ball in that match.

> You seriously underestimate the influence of the sacrifices offered to
> the Gods by one Sadiq Yusuf. It is rumoured (from a reliable source)
> that he sacrificed two slices of pizza, and one cricket tape.

> The tape, of course, belonged to me, but that's another matter.

I refuse to believe that there exists anybody in this world who
can get a tape out of Sadiq. Please send it to me right away, so that
I can check it out for myself.

by **pancha..** » Sat, 05 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> > Notice, Bombay has lost only once in 5 years in ODs
> > and only twice in 3Ds. They also demolished
> > the great Aussie team in three days!

> > Does this mean that Bombay plays very well as a team
> > but does not have many individual stars?

> On the contrary, it is my considered belief that Bombay owed its
> victory to the one and only SRT, notwithstanding Kuru's prowess
> with the ball in that match.

How true. Nilesh kulkarni offered Aussies full tosses but
they were just tired of batting. Pagnis was perhaps given many lives
in his very short & slow innings of 59(?). Rajesh Sutar, a virtual
unknown swung his bat around and it was nice that many times he connected
the ball. Rajesh pawar foxed Aussies with his own height.
Then there is Kuruvilla.
-SA

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by **Harish Chandramou** » Sat, 05 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>> The tape, of course, belonged to me, but that's another matter.

> I refuse to believe that there exists anybody in this world who
>can get a tape out of Sadiq. Please send it to me right away, so that
>I can check it out for myself.

I know I've long given up trying, myself. In fact the only
time I can even get him to approach the subject, is when I
start to goad him with the possibility that he might well
receive further tapes from me (hoho) in the near future, if
only he'd dig about and find the ones he owed me from the
past.

A real wolf in sheep's clothing, that chappie.

Cheers,

Harish [still awaiting the return of 4 of his test tapes]

by **Craig Mage** » Mon, 07 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> Overrated XI: 1. Michael Slater 2. Gary Kirsten 3. Nasser Hussain
> 4. Brian Lara (c) 5. Ricky Ponting 6. Alec Stewart (w) 7. Azhar
> Mahmood 8. Ajit Agarkar 9. Daniel Vettori 10. Dominic Cork 11. Muttiah

Hey not fair - Vettori is still a baby in a country where babies don't
make the test team (although watch out for young Matthew Bell our new
opener in the upcoming series v India and South Africa). And also, you
have to recognise that we are not that good, so its all relative.

Pleading for some NZ victories. Come on McMillan. Now there's some
side-burns.

Craig.

by **Rohan Chandr** » Mon, 07 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>> Overrated XI: 1. Michael Slater 2. Gary Kirsten 3. Nasser Hussain
>> 4. Brian Lara (c) 5. Ricky Ponting 6. Alec Stewart (w) 7. Azhar
>> Mahmood 8. Ajit Agarkar 9. Daniel Vettori 10. Dominic Cork 11. Muttiah

>Hey not fair - Vettori is still a baby in a country where babies don't
>make the test team (although watch out for young Matthew Bell our new
>opener in the upcoming series v India and South Africa). And also, you
>have to recognise that we are not that good, so its all relative.

The Matthew Bell whom I saw score 18 runs in two innings in Dhaka?
Hmm.. :-) Still, he did get some runs yesterday, more than Astle. I
needed a New Zealander in my eleven though, and I needed a spinner -
and Azhar called Vettori world-class the other day. That made him
overrated, in my book :-)

Rohan.
--
Overrated XI: 1. Michael Slater 2. Gary Kirsten 3. Nasser Hussain
4. Brian Lara (c) 5. Ricky Ponting 6. Alec Stewart (w) 7. Azhar
Mahmood 8. Ajit Agarkar 9. Daniel Vettori 10. Dominic Cork 11. Muttiah
Muralitharan (12th man: Ajay Jadeja)

by **Offi** » Mon, 07 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>I just noticed something interesting. Bombay has only One
>player playing for the India A team, and only One player
>in the Indian Squad to NZ.

>Is this the smallest representation Bombay has ever had?

>Notice, Bombay has lost only once in 5 years in ODs
>and only twice in 3Ds. They also demolished
>the great Aussie team in three days!

>Does this mean that Bombay plays very well as a team
>but does not have many individual stars?

>Suresh [just observing and wondering] Abraham

Come now Suresh, Iam sure you can think of another reason ? ;-)

Anyway, its also partly a combination of bad-luck and injury thats created this
scenario, IMHO. For example, it *would* have been 2 to NZ - SRT and Agarkar -
but for injury. For the A team, in the 14 there were 2 originally - Jaffer and
Amol - before Amol pulled out due to injury. Kuruvilla was in the 14 too,
eventually.

In addition, Kambli would be on most unbiased people's India 2nd XI list,
really - he might still be on the first team ODI list soon. But he too is
coming back off injury - he's playing and trying to round into shape, but isnt
fit enough for an A team yet (notice he himself withdrew from the Duleep
Trophy, to give himself some more rest for the ankole - he is currently playing
in an air-cast).

Bombay has suddenly been hit hard by the injury bug this year, actually. First
Kambli with the ankle, followed by Paranjpe (ankle, during the Sahara Cup),
then Pagnis (ankle, during the BPXI game, out 3 weeks), then Agarkar (hairline
fracture in foot, out 6 weeks), and Amol (thumb, out of India A 2nd test).
Hopefully theyre all getting it out of the way early in the season and will all
be fit for the stretch run :-)

Sadiq [ still recovering from the brilliant u19 game ] Yusuf

by **Gecko Van Echoe** » Mon, 07 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> Rohan.
> --
> Overrated XI: 1. Michael Slater 2. Gary Kirsten 3. Nasser Hussain
> 4. Brian Lara (c) 5. Ricky Ponting 6. Alec Stewart (w) 7. Azhar
> Mahmood 8. Ajit Agarkar 9. Daniel Vettori 10. Dominic Cork 11. Muttiah
> Muralitharan (12th man: Ajay Jadeja)

I'll have Athers instead of Slater (not because I believe Slater >>
Atherton), in which case the team will be too brit. How about moving
Stewart to no. 3 and have Mahanama at #6? I believe we need some more
time to see if Aggie is overrated or not.( I hope he is not!) The only
alternative I can think of is the "fastest bowler who never played for
India" around 96 end. You are speaking my mind in the rest of the cases.
I refrain from giving any more silly nick names to our vice-captain.

Regards,
Gecko [who will carry in his .sig "Mmmm Crow Curry, my only weakness" if
mascotsinhji hits a 100 in any of the tests] Van Echoes

--

by **Craig Mage** » Tue, 08 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> The Matthew Bell whom I saw score 18 runs in two innings in Dhaka?
> Hmm.. :-) Still, he did get some runs yesterday, more than Astle. I
> needed a New Zealander in my eleven though, and I needed a spinner -
> and Azhar called Vettori world-class the other day. That made him
> overrated, in my book :-)

> Rohan.
> --
> Overrated XI: 1. Michael Slater 2. Gary Kirsten 3. Nasser Hussain
> 4. Brian Lara (c) 5. Ricky Ponting 6. Alec Stewart (w) 7. Azhar
> Mahmood 8. Ajit Agarkar 9. Daniel Vettori 10. Dominic Cork 11. Muttiah
> Muralitharan (12th man: Ajay Jadeja)

yeah fair call on Bell in terms of one-dayers
he's certainly more suited to the long game
which is what we desparately need in NZ
we have too many one-day players who can't sustain 5 days
and Cricket Max, invented by Martin Crowe, is making things worse
have you much knowledge of Cricket Max ?

What did you think of India being bowled out for 103 today by Central
Districts (who have only 2 players who have played more than 25 first
class games, those 2 being Craig Spearman and Mark Bailey). Central
finished the day on 121/1 with Spearman on 65no, so India can't blame
the pitch. A test batting lineup for India as well.

Craig.

by **samarth harish sha** » Tue, 08 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> What did you think of India being bowled out for 103 today by Central
> Districts (who have only 2 players who have played more than 25 first
> class games, those 2 being Craig Spearman and Mark Bailey). Central
> finished the day on 121/1 with Spearman on 65no, so India can't blame
> the pitch. A test batting lineup for India as well.

I'd say India played upto to potential. Excellent start to another tour...
I wonder why we even venture abroad to play tests. Prediction: another
series down the drain... the usual marked improvement during the 3rd test
and miserable performances during the first two... I can't help but think
of those 10 points I had posted earlier...

What's more! We've come to expect either bad batting or bad bowling to
contribute to India's defeat! Well, well, how 'bout for variety's sake, we
have both fail! Just for that change... What's life without change?

It's one thing to lose while trying to get accustomed to the weather. It's
one thing to lose while making sporting declarations (like Aus in the 1997
Ashes) and giving your bowlers bowling practice. It's entirely another to
get miserably thrashed by an invitation XI. Practice, my left foot! Nobody
in the top order stayed in long enough to take guard!! Batting practice,
what a joke! Acclamatizing themselves to the conditions and the bowling,
ha! Wonder how much of the conditions and the bowling they saw in those
fleeting seconds...

Is this why we ask for extra practice matches? So we can lose more games?
I've seen depressing performances from the Indians before, but this takes
the cake... Innings defeat in a 4 day game to an invitation XI!!

-Samarth.

by **samarth harish sha** » Tue, 08 Dec 1998 04:00:00

How 'bout we just revamp the whole line-up and put the Indian team there?
Especially the batting line-up!

-Samarth.

Quote:

> > Rohan.
> > --
> > Overrated XI: 1. Michael Slater 2. Gary Kirsten 3. Nasser Hussain
> > 4. Brian Lara (c) 5. Ricky Ponting 6. Alec Stewart (w) 7. Azhar
> > Mahmood 8. Ajit Agarkar 9. Daniel Vettori 10. Dominic Cork 11. Muttiah
> > Muralitharan (12th man: Ajay Jadeja)

> I'll have Athers instead of Slater (not because I believe Slater >>
> Atherton), in which case the team will be too brit. How about moving
> Stewart to no. 3 and have Mahanama at #6? I believe we need some more
> time to see if Aggie is overrated or not.( I hope he is not!) The only
> alternative I can think of is the "fastest bowler who never played for
> India" around 96 end. You are speaking my mind in the rest of the cases.
> I refrain from giving any more silly nick names to our vice-captain.

> Regards,
> Gecko [who will carry in his .sig "Mmmm Crow Curry, my only weakness" if
> mascotsinhji hits a 100 in any of the tests] Van Echoes

> --

by **Rohan Chandr** » Tue, 08 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>What did you think of India being bowled out for 103 today by Central
>Districts (who have only 2 players who have played more than 25 first
>class games, those 2 being Craig Spearman and Mark Bailey). Central
>finished the day on 121/1 with Spearman on 65no, so India can't blame
>the pitch. A test batting lineup for India as well.

Actually, I thought this was a masterful performance by the
Indians. With any luck, we will now see Spearman opening the batting,
and Penn opening the bowling, in the first Test. I'm hoping for NZ to
line up something like:

Spearman, Astle, Horne, Fleming, McMillan, Harris, Parore, Vettori,
Wiseman, Doull, Penn.

That's certainly better for India than seeing:

Horne, Bell, Fleming, McMillan, Astle, Parore, Harris, Vettori, Nash,
Doull, Allott.

Seriously though, as I said to Duane, I think Allott is an important
selection for New Zealand. Some would say that India can't play any
bowling away, but there's nothing that hurts them more than a left
armer. As an Indian fan, I'd be hoping that O'Connors haul against
Pak-A helps him get the nod.

Rohan.
--
Overrated XI: 1. Michael Slater 2. Gary Kirsten 3. Nasser Hussain
4. Brian Lara (c) 5. Ricky Ponting 6. Alec Stewart (w) 7. Azhar
Mahmood 8. Ajit Agarkar 9. Daniel Vettori 10. Dominic Cork 11. Muttiah

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