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    ODIs vs England 95/96:
        24 off 45 balls
        19 off 18 balls
        7 off 10 balls    (2 wickets for 57)
        47 off 46 balls
        78 off 133 balls
        13 off 28 balls
        60 of 78 balls
Giving him an average of 35, plus 3 catches and 4 wickets.  In the England side
only Stewart and Thorpe had a better average (43 and 46) with the next best
Englishmen at 28.4.
And in the World Cup against England:
        15 of 31 balls

Nothing much wrong there for ODI play.  Plus he captained SA to beat England 7 to
1 in 1995/6.  Call that poor?  Kicking ***is what I call it.  Hansie is a Captain first,
and a player second, that's why he is good, and that's what England and Pakistan
needs (the only other good Captain I think IMHO is Ranatunga)

He was runout, b by Cork, b by de Freitas, b by Illingworth, b White twice, b Martin.

That's all.
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Kevin

    >> > Whatever Cronje's done against other opposition, he's
    >> never done > much against England.  Though it's feasible
    >> he may be weak against > one opponent while excellent
    >> against the rest.

<snip Cronje's ODI record against England>

    Kevin> Nothing much wrong there for ODI play.  Plus he
    Kevin> captained SA to beat England 7 to 1 in 1995/6.  Call
    Kevin> that poor?  Kicking ***is what I call it.  Hansie is

Not if the original poster was talking about tests:

Here is Cronje's record:
(From HowzStat:
http://SportToday.org/:8080/home/chris/cricket.dir/wwwpage...)

                 T    I   NO      R     AVG   50  100    HS     Ct   St
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Australia        6   10    0    343   34.30    1    1  122       1    0
England          8   12    1    203   18.45    0    0   48       2    0
India            3    6    1    207   41.40    0    1  135       0    0
New Zealand      4    7    1    369   61.50    1    2  112       3    0
Pakistan         1    2    0     89   44.50    0    0   48       0    0
Sri Lanka        3    5    1    237   59.25    1    1  122       3    0
West Indies      1    2    0      7    3.50    0    0    5       0    0
Zimbabwe         1    2    1     61   61.00    1    0   56*      1    0

Last 10 Tests   10   15    2    550   42.30    1    2  112       3    0
Home            15   24    2    826   37.54    1    3  135       3    0
Away            12   22    3    690   36.31    3    2  122       7    0
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTAL           27   46    5   1516   36.97    4    5  135      10    0
As Captain      13   20    2    661   36.72    2    2   112      4    0

Definitely Cronje's record against England is poor.

    Kevin> a Captain first, and a player second, that's why he is
    Kevin> good,

This is true .. observe that although he has played half his
tests as captain, his overall record as captain and otherwise is
almost identical. Shows remarkable consistency.

Still I won't put Hansie as the "Best Batsman in the World"
.. not by a long shot. (However, notice that his performance in
his Last 10 Tests has been pretty good)

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Cheers
Sailesh
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Listen Mate, he's good but nothing like Lara, Tendulkar, de Silva or even
ALec Stewart of England. Get real, he's a top captain and leader, but
world-class he'll never be.
                                Nick M Bennett

Simon

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Bob Woolmer must be given a lot of credit here for the help he has given
Hansie. (Is there any doubt that Bob is the world's best coach?)
.

Simon.