Quote "superstars like Mcgrath, Warne and Ponting and great players
like
Hussey and hayden". For starters, how does Hussey become great after
just one year and a little more of cricket? Sigh...those arrogant
aussies.
Don
by Don » Sat, 25 Nov 2006 10:42:00
Don
by tendulkar.co » Sat, 25 Nov 2006 10:45:39
> Don
by Don » Sat, 25 Nov 2006 10:57:15
> > Don
> How is this any different from Tendulkar being called great after one
> year of his career. Hayden and Hussey are greats in my book (ICC
> Ratings proves it)
fyi, no one called tendulkar great after one year. can you provide
proof?
talking from your arse dosen't count as proof.
Don
by will_ » Sat, 25 Nov 2006 11:11:00
>> > Quote "superstars like Mcgrath, Warne and Ponting and great players
>> > like
>> > Hussey and hayden". For starters, how does Hussey become great after
>> > just one year and a little more of cricket? Sigh...those arrogant
>> > aussies.
>> > Don
>> How is this any different from Tendulkar being called great after one
>> year of his career. Hayden and Hussey are greats in my book (ICC
>> Ratings proves it)
> this is exactly the thing needed...when one Indian puts a bouncer on
> the Aussies, the other Indian tries to help the aussie evade it...no
> wonder
> it is said that it is hard to find two indians united in anything they
> do...
> fyi, no one called tendulkar great after one year. can you provide
> proof?
> talking from your arse dosen't count as proof.
> Don
by dechuck » Sat, 25 Nov 2006 11:16:35
by tendulkar.co » Sat, 25 Nov 2006 11:38:30
> this is exactly the thing needed...when one Indian puts a bouncer on
> the Aussies, the other Indian tries to help the aussie evade it...no
> wonder
> it is said that it is hard to find two indians united in anything they
> do...
Anyone who is in top 10 of both forms of games are great in my book.
Hussey is #1 in ODI and #7 in Tests. Thats awesome in my books. Why
should I agree with you just because you are an Indian and even if I
agree with you that doesn't lower Hussey's greatness anyway
In other words, I don't bowl bouncers which gets hit for a six.
> fyi, no one called tendulkar great after one year. can you provide
> proof? talking from your arse dosen't count as proof.
by Dave -Turne » Sat, 25 Nov 2006 12:16:52
by Don » Sat, 25 Nov 2006 12:26:12
Don
by Andrew Dunfor » Sat, 25 Nov 2006 12:38:17
There was a time around 2001-2003 when Hussey was scoring a remarkable
number of runs in county cricket in England, and I wondered why he wasn't in
the Australia team. Somebody pointed out to me that his figures in the
Sheffield Shield at that time were rather mediocre, which is indeed the
case. In four home seasons from 1998/99, he scored one century each season
and mostly averaged under 40.
The only time it seemed he really deserved a go (ahead of Katich and Clarke)
but wasn't getting picked was in England in 2005.
Andrew
by tendulkar.co » Sat, 25 Nov 2006 13:05:53
> Can you at least quote who sealed him as the greatest? I agree the
> Indian public
> was very e***d with the arrival of such a prodigious talent and SRT
> was seen as
> someone who could potentially take the mantle from Gavaskar as a
> batting icon.
by SultanOfSwin » Sat, 25 Nov 2006 14:06:35
> > Don
> How is this any different from Tendulkar being called great after one
> year of his career. Hayden and Hussey are greats in my book (ICC
> Ratings proves it)
In his debut series, he played a sensational knock against
Pakistan in an exhibition match, where he took Abdul Qadir
to the cleaners. But in his first one-dayer, Tendulkar scored
a duck. He also didn't have a great run in the Test matches
that followed. IIRC, he copped a few bouncers from Akram
and Younis in the Tests. But I think the idea of the
selectors to *** a young talent in the cauldron-like
atmosphere of India-Pakistan Test matches payed off.
In 1990, I recall that Tendulkar narrowly missed scoring his
first Test hundred on tour against New Zealand. IIRC, he
scored 88 and fell short of the century mark. Had he scored
a century in that innings, he would have been the youngest
ever batsman to score a Test century. He later scored a
century in the same year, against England, at Manchester.
From what I recall, Sachin made steady progress in his
first year of international cricket. The Indian cricket fans
were quite pleased in the cricketing talent that they saw
in this 17 year old lad, but none called him *great* at
that stage, at least. Some fans like yours truly, were
hoping that he would have the potential to take over
from SMG, but knowing what had happened to some
precocious talents like LS, Manninder and Sada; we
couldn't actually bet our house on that.
Anyway, as a well-known Tendulkar-basher, you won't
let facts get in the way of a rant.
by tendulkar.co » Sat, 25 Nov 2006 15:14:23
> > > Don
> > How is this any different from Tendulkar being called great after one
> > year of his career. Hayden and Hussey are greats in my book (ICC
> > Ratings proves it)
> Tendulkar made his international debut against Pakistan in 1989.
> From memory, he had a good tour (not sensational by any
> standards); but good for a 16 year old. Unlike Raina, who hardly
> played any Ranji Trophy matches, IIRC Tendulkar played almost
> a season of Ranji cricket before he was picked for the Pakistan
> tour. I do not recall anyone calling Tendulkar *great* in the year
> 1990. Even Gavaskar at that time, advised against any
> comparisons between Tendulkar and himself.
> In his debut series, he played a sensational knock against
> Pakistan in an exhibition match, where he took Abdul Qadir
> to the cleaners. But in his first one-dayer, Tendulkar scored
> a duck. He also didn't have a great run in the Test matches
> that followed. IIRC, he copped a few bouncers from Akram
> and Younis in the Tests. But I think the idea of the
> selectors to *** a young talent in the cauldron-like
> atmosphere of India-Pakistan Test matches payed off.
> In 1990, I recall that Tendulkar narrowly missed scoring his
> first Test hundred on tour against New Zealand. IIRC, he
> scored 88 and fell short of the century mark. Had he scored
> a century in that innings, he would have been the youngest
> ever batsman to score a Test century. He later scored a
> century in the same year, against England, at Manchester.
> From what I recall, Sachin made steady progress in his
> first year of international cricket. The Indian cricket fans
> were quite pleased in the cricketing talent that they saw
> in this 17 year old lad, but none called him *great* at
> that stage, at least. Some fans like yours truly, were
> hoping that he would have the potential to take over
> from SMG, but knowing what had happened to some
> precocious talents like LS, Manninder and Sada; we
> couldn't actually bet our house on that.
> Anyway, as a well-known Tendulkar-basher,
by SultanOfSwin » Sat, 25 Nov 2006 15:49:39
> > Tendulkar made his international debut against Pakistan in 1989.
> > From memory, he had a good tour (not sensational by any
> > standards); but good for a 16 year old. Unlike Raina, who hardly
> > played any Ranji Trophy matches, IIRC Tendulkar played almost
> > a season of Ranji cricket before he was picked for the Pakistan
> > tour. I do not recall anyone calling Tendulkar *great* in the year
> > 1990. Even Gavaskar at that time, advised against any
> > comparisons between Tendulkar and himself.
> > In his debut series, he played a sensational knock against
> > Pakistan in an exhibition match, where he took Abdul Qadir
> > to the cleaners. But in his first one-dayer, Tendulkar scored
> > a duck. He also didn't have a great run in the Test matches
> > that followed. IIRC, he copped a few bouncers from Akram
> > and Younis in the Tests. But I think the idea of the
> > selectors to *** a young talent in the cauldron-like
> > atmosphere of India-Pakistan Test matches payed off.
> > In 1990, I recall that Tendulkar narrowly missed scoring his
> > first Test hundred on tour against New Zealand. IIRC, he
> > scored 88 and fell short of the century mark. Had he scored
> > a century in that innings, he would have been the youngest
> > ever batsman to score a Test century. He later scored a
> > century in the same year, against England, at Manchester.
> > From what I recall, Sachin made steady progress in his
> > first year of international cricket. The Indian cricket fans
> > were quite pleased in the cricketing talent that they saw
> > in this 17 year old lad, but none called him *great* at
> > that stage, at least. Some fans like yours truly, were
> > hoping that he would have the potential to take over
> > from SMG, but knowing what had happened to some
> > precocious talents like LS, Manninder and Sada; we
> > couldn't actually bet our house on that.
> So, basically you are saying Tendulkar was hyped even before he did
> anything meaningful. Then I don't see any problem with hyping someone
> who averages 75+ in both forms of the game and is already World #1 in
> ODI rankings
In fact, Vinod Kambli made a truly sensational debut in the 90's
(compared to Sachin) and around 1992/93 people were saying
that Kambli was the next great sensation in Indian cricket and
he would have a great future. Sadiq, Samarth and Uday can
testify to this.
Sachin's cricketing graph really took off in the year 1994 after he
started opening the batting for India in ODI's. Till then, he had
been a consistent performer in Tests (IIRC, his Test batting
average was just above 50 at that time) but an average
performer in one-dayers. Sachin really started getting hyped
during the 1996 World Cup where some of his batting
performances were really mind-blowing. That was when the
familiar phenomenon of India collapsing after a Sachin
dismissal came to the fore.
by Don » Sat, 25 Nov 2006 16:10:38
Don
by sdavmo » Sat, 25 Nov 2006 17:26:00
> Ah yes, that old chestnut.
> There was a time around 2001-2003 when Hussey was scoring a remarkable
> number of runs in county cricket in England, and I wondered why he wasn't in
> the Australia team. Somebody pointed out to me that his figures in the
> Sheffield Shield at that time were rather mediocre, which is indeed the
> case. In four home seasons from 1998/99, he scored one century each season
> and mostly averaged under 40.
> The only time it seemed he really deserved a go (ahead of Katich and Clarke)
> but wasn't getting picked was in England in 2005.
> Andrew
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