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by **Dipak Ba** » Wed, 20 Dec 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

> What about Kapil Dev of India? If Iam right,he is the highest wicket
> taker in the test cricket(434 to be more precise).

First off, I am a great fan of Kapil. Realistically however, Kapil should
have retired after taking 300 wickets or so (perhaps soon after the
"Miracle at Lords" - WC83). In trying to be the highest wicket taker, his
bowling performance and resulting stats deteriorated significantly (see
below).

This whole tread began with left-handed paceman and then a discussion of
Alan Davidson. Davidson took less than half the number of wickets that
Kapil did, but was a tremendous single-handed performer throughout his
career (much like the Kapil). But like other bowling greats, Lindwall,
Marshall, Hadlee and Trueman, Davidson had to sense to retire at his peak.

M Balls Runs Wkt Avge 5I 10M Best S/R

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> S F Barnes Eng 27 7873 3106 189 16.43 24 7 9/103 41.65
> A K Davidson Aus 44 11587 3819 186 20.53 14 2 7/93 62.29
> Waqar Younis Pak 38 7733 4122 200 20.61 19 4 7/76 38.67
> MD Marshall WI 81 17584 7876 376 20.95 22 4 7/22 46.77
> C E L Ambrose WI 59 13870 5493 258 21.29 13 3 8/45 53.75
> Wasim Akram Pak 67 15266 6524 289 22.57 20 3 7/119 52.83
> F S Trueman Eng 67 15178 6625 307 21.58 17 3 8/31 49.43
> R J Hadlee NZ 86 21918 9612 431 22.30 36 9 9/52 50.85
> K R Miller Aus 55 10461 3906 170 22.97 7 1 7/60 61.53
> R R Lindwall Aus 61 13642 5251 228 23.03 12 - 7/38 59.83
> D K Lillee Aus 70 18467 8493 355 23.92 23 7 7/83 52.01
> Kapil Dev Ind 131 27740 12867 434 29.64 23 2 9/83 63.92

Dipak.

by **Venkatesh Sridhar** » Thu, 21 Dec 1995 04:00:00

: > What about Kapil Dev of India? If Iam right,he is the highest wicket
: > taker in the test cricket(434 to be more precise).

: First off, I am a great fan of Kapil. Realistically however, Kapil should
: have retired after taking 300 wickets or so (perhaps soon after the
: "Miracle at Lords" - WC83). In trying to be the highest wicket taker, his
: bowling performance and resulting stats deteriorated significantly (see
: below).

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I hope you're joking! Some of Kapil's best bowling performances came after
the World Cup -- notably against the West Indies in 1983, and again in
1989. Regardless of what his "resulting stats" were, he was pretty good till
his last two years or so... and that's a *long* way from 1983!

Win or lose, forever Windies.
Venky (Venkatesh Sridharan).

by **Dipak Ba** » Sat, 23 Dec 1995 04:00:00

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> |>
> |> First off, I am a great fan of Kapil. Realistically however, Kapil should
> |> have retired after taking 300 wickets or so (perhaps soon after the
> |> "Miracle at Lords" - WC83). In trying to be the highest wicket taker, his
> |> bowling performance and resulting stats deteriorated significantly (see
> |> below).

> WHAT !
> Kapil should have retired soon after "Miracle at Lords" - WC83 !!
> This must be a cricket-joke of the Century !
> Do you know how many wickets he has taken by then ?
> Certainly, not more than half of his current tally!

Hey, I like Kapil too.... Note the words "or so" above. We were comparing
Kapil's career consistency with other bowlers. Here are his stats
(courtesy cricinfo)

Wicket Batsman Out Match Kapil's Test
1st Sadiq Mohammad v Pak at Faisalabad 1978-79 1st
50th Bruce Yardley v Aus at Kanpur 1979-80 16th
100th Taslim Arif v Pak at Calcutta 1979-80 25th
150th Chris Tavare v Eng at Lord's 1982 39th
200th Andy Roberts v WI at Port-of-Spain 1982-83 50th
250th Allan Lamb v Eng at Bombay 1984-85 65th
300th Rumesh Rat'ke v SL at Cuttack 1986-87 83th
350th Javed Miandad v Pak at Karachi 1989-90 100th
400th Mark Taylor v Aus at Perth 1991-92 115th
431st Don Anurasiri v SL at Bangalore 1994 129th

Watch the steady drop in the wickets per test played go down after his
50th test in 1983. I'm proud as you are Kapil holds the world record for
highest wickets -- I just wish he was the demon bowler he was at the end
as at the early part of his career. This is where Hadlee and Trueman,
say, surpass Kapil.

Dipak.

by **Krishna R** » Sat, 23 Dec 1995 04:00:00

|>
|> First off, I am a great fan of Kapil. Realistically however, Kapil should
|> have retired after taking 300 wickets or so (perhaps soon after the
|> "Miracle at Lords" - WC83). In trying to be the highest wicket taker, his
|> bowling performance and resulting stats deteriorated significantly (see
|> below).

WHAT !
Kapil should have retired soon after "Miracle at Lords" - WC83 !!
This must be a cricket-joke of the Century !
Do you know how many wickets he has taken by then ?
Certainly, not more than half of his current tally!

-Krishna

by **S Govindaraj** » Sun, 24 Dec 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

>Hey, I like Kapil too.... Note the words "or so" above. We were comparing
>Kapil's career consistency with other bowlers. Here are his stats
>(courtesy cricinfo)
>Wicket Batsman Out Match Kapil's Test
>1st Sadiq Mohammad v Pak at Faisalabad 1978-79 1st
>50th Bruce Yardley v Aus at Kanpur 1979-80 16th
>100th Taslim Arif v Pak at Calcutta 1979-80 25th
>150th Chris Tavare v Eng at Lord's 1982 39th
>200th Andy Roberts v WI at Port-of-Spain 1982-83 50th
>250th Allan Lamb v Eng at Bombay 1984-85 65th
>300th Rumesh Rat'ke v SL at Cuttack 1986-87 83th
>350th Javed Miandad v Pak at Karachi 1989-90 100th
>400th Mark Taylor v Aus at Perth 1991-92 115th
>431st Don Anurasiri v SL at Bangalore 1994 129th
>Watch the steady drop in the wickets per test played go down after his
>50th test in 1983. I'm proud as you are Kapil holds the world record for
>highest wickets -- I just wish he was the demon bowler he was at the end
>as at the early part of his career. This is where Hadlee and Trueman,
>say, surpass Kapil.

Actually, after the India WI series in India ('83-84), Kapil had big
problem with his knees. Some Indian player mentioned that Kapil's
knees had swollen like footballs when he returned to the pavilion
after that 9 wicket haul at Ahmedabad. Since, Kapil had no chance to
recuperate (he had about 2-3 months before Australia toured India for
a OD series), Bowling 30 over spells on the Indian on the Indian
pitches was no sinecure and with no support at the other end, he was
forced to bowl what he could. Kapil was forced to bowl at military
medium until about 1987 to preserve what was left of his knees. If you
observe the Indo-Pak series in '87, Kapil resorted to bowling like
Amarnath (!) in a couple of tests (Jaipur?) as at the final OD against
the Sri Lankans in '86 (he bowled offspin in the final over at the run
feast at B'by).

Compare this with Imran, who took two years off for that shin injury
and returned almost the same bowler.

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by **Hamish La** » Mon, 25 Dec 1995 04:00:00

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>I hope you're joking! Some of Kapil's best bowling performances came after
>the World Cup -- notably against the West Indies in 1983, and again in
>1989. Regardless of what his "resulting stats" were, he was pretty good till
>his last two years or so... and that's a *long* way from 1983!

His stats as of about 84-85

not the stats of a great bowler at that time in world cricket, cw Hadlee,
Marshall, Lillee, Garner, Holding etc

Mad Hamish

by **Tansen Varghe** » Mon, 25 Dec 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

>Compare this with Imran, who took two years off for that shin injury
>and returned almost the same bowler.

>Govind.

Well, Imran did lose his outswing and some pace. He no longer was
the fastest bowler in the world. He did get wickets and win matches,
notably in two series against the WI and one series against England.
But I wouldn't say he was the same bowler. The Imran of '82-83 was
better.

Tanny

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