Warne on 499 -- Pitch Hijinx fail

Warne on 499 -- Pitch Hijinx fail

Post by Fra » Sat, 13 Mar 2004 15:04:19


Australia on track for an amazing win. The pitch that has helped
Murali has also helped Warne.

That's one blow against pitch doctoring.

FRAN

 
 
 

Warne on 499 -- Pitch Hijinx fail

Post by Mang » Sat, 13 Mar 2004 15:09:49


Quote:
> Australia on track for an amazing win. The pitch that has helped
> Murali has also helped Warne.

> That's one blow against pitch doctoring.

You could accuse people of pitch doctoring if the pitch is completly
different to normal.  I suspect this is a typical pitch for the venue.
Quote:
> FRAN


 
 
 

Warne on 499 -- Pitch Hijinx fail

Post by Ken Higg » Sat, 13 Mar 2004 14:50:20

Quote:

> Australia on track for an amazing win. The pitch that has helped
> Murali has also helped Warne.

> That's one blow against pitch doctoring.

> FRAN

Well,
yes, Australia are going to win fair and square bit don't let it get in
the way of you accusing the SLans of skullduggery.
It's a day 5 pitch in Galle, how do you expect it to behave?

H

 
 
 

Warne on 499 -- Pitch Hijinx fail

Post by Will Sutto » Sat, 13 Mar 2004 15:29:58


Quote:


> > Australia on track for an amazing win. The pitch that has helped
> > Murali has also helped Warne.

> > That's one blow against pitch doctoring.

> > FRAN

> Well,
> yes, Australia are going to win fair and square bit don't let it get in
> the way of you accusing the SLans of skullduggery.
> It's a day 5 pitch in Galle, how do you expect it to behave?

> H

It all depends on how you think a Test wicket should be prepared.
Most of us ( West ?? ) believe that a wicket should favour the pace
 bowlers in the 1st session and then even out to a good batting wicket
 for the next few days. On the 4th day it should start favouring spin
and the last day the spin should dominate.

Now having a spinner opening the bowling on the 1st day makes
you wonder if they have made the wicket to avoid facing the
Australian quicks ?

Now lets go back a year or two and remember those green tops that NZ
"doctored up " for the Indians. They were criticised by a lot of people
from the sub-continent and form other quarters as well. I guess they believe
that what was good for the goose should be good for the gander.

 
 
 

Warne on 499 -- Pitch Hijinx fail

Post by Lindsa » Sat, 13 Mar 2004 15:39:18


Quote:



> > Australia on track for an amazing win. The pitch that has helped
> > Murali has also helped Warne.

> > That's one blow against pitch doctoring.

> You could accuse people of pitch doctoring if the pitch is completly
> different to normal.  I suspect this is a typical pitch for the venue.

> > FRAN

agreed, it always turns a lot here. Indeed, the pitch seems to have crumbled
a bit less than usual in this match, according to comments from those who've
seen a few tests here. You can only really lose to pitch doctoring if your
team isn't able to handle the different conditions
 
 
 

Warne on 499 -- Pitch Hijinx fail

Post by Ken Higg » Sat, 13 Mar 2004 15:17:21

Quote:




> > > Australia on track for an amazing win. The pitch that has helped
> > > Murali has also helped Warne.

> > > That's one blow against pitch doctoring.

> > > FRAN

> > Well,
> > yes, Australia are going to win fair and square bit don't let it get in
> > the way of you accusing the SLans of skullduggery.
> > It's a day 5 pitch in Galle, how do you expect it to behave?

> > H

> It all depends on how you think a Test wicket should be prepared.
> Most of us ( West ?? ) believe that a wicket should favour the pace
>  bowlers in the 1st session and then even out to a good batting wicket
>  for the next few days. On the 4th day it should start favouring spin
> and the last day the spin should dominate.

Oh, it's that easy is it?

Or do you mean you just like typical Australian conditions?

Quote:

> Now having a spinner opening the bowling on the 1st day makes
> you wonder if they have made the wicket to avoid facing the
> Australian quicks ?

I dunno, but seeing as Australia were fielding both Warne & McGill, isn't that
rather betting on winning the toss?
Or do you suspect SL doctored that as well?

Quote:

> Now lets go back a year or two and remember those green tops that NZ
> "doctored up " for the Indians. They were criticised by a lot of people
> from the sub-continent and form other quarters as well. I guess they believe
> that what was good for the goose should be good for the gander.

I'd say that most teams try to ensure that the pitch favours their team, rather
than the opposition.
Do you reckon they do it differently over here?

H

 
 
 

Warne on 499 -- Pitch Hijinx fail

Post by Will Sutto » Sat, 13 Mar 2004 16:03:38


Quote:





> > > > Australia on track for an amazing win. The pitch that has helped
> > > > Murali has also helped Warne.

> > > > That's one blow against pitch doctoring.

> > > > FRAN

> > > Well,
> > > yes, Australia are going to win fair and square bit don't let it get
in
> > > the way of you accusing the SLans of skullduggery.
> > > It's a day 5 pitch in Galle, how do you expect it to behave?

> > > H

> > It all depends on how you think a Test wicket should be prepared.
> > Most of us ( West ?? ) believe that a wicket should favour the pace
> >  bowlers in the 1st session and then even out to a good batting wicket
> >  for the next few days. On the 4th day it should start favouring spin
> > and the last day the spin should dominate.

> Oh, it's that easy is it?

> Or do you mean you just like typical Australian conditions?

No because there are no typical Australian conditions

Quote:

> > Now having a spinner opening the bowling on the 1st day makes
> > you wonder if they have made the wicket to avoid facing the
> > Australian quicks ?

> I dunno, but seeing as Australia were fielding both Warne & McGill, isn't
that
> rather betting on winning the toss?
> Or do you suspect SL doctored that as well?

I think they are more worried about pace.  As for MacGill and Warne I
dont think SL was too worried about them as MacGill has been bowling
pretty much "shit" and Warne just back from injury. Anyway Warne is a better
bowler on wickets that has bounce

Quote:

> > Now lets go back a year or two and remember those green tops that NZ
> > "doctored up " for the Indians. They were criticised by a lot of people
> > from the sub-continent and form other quarters as well. I guess they
believe
> > that what was good for the goose should be good for the gander.

> I'd say that most teams try to ensure that the pitch favours their team,
rather
> than the opposition.

Disagree, in Australia the wickets are generally prepared the same no
matter who is touring .  They dont make "special" wickets for sides
like India and they dont schedule sides to certain grounds based
on their skills against spin or pace. In England they generally
just make wickets that the weather permits :-)

Quote:
> Do you reckon they do it differently over here?

In NZ I wouldn't know but if you are talking about Oz then
see comment above.

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> H

 
 
 

Warne on 499 -- Pitch Hijinx fail

Post by The Wo » Sat, 13 Mar 2004 17:19:35


Quote:



> > Australia on track for an amazing win. The pitch that has helped
> > Murali has also helped Warne.

> > That's one blow against pitch doctoring.

> You could accuse people of pitch doctoring if the pitch is completly
> different to normal.  I suspect this is a typical pitch for the venue.

Nah, a typical Galle pitch doesn't see scores much above 200 from what I
hear. They've deliberately gone out of their way NOT to prepare a typical
Murali track. This was a fair pitch where the batsmen could play Murali if
they were good enough.

Wog

 
 
 

Warne on 499 -- Pitch Hijinx fail

Post by Larry de Silv » Sat, 13 Mar 2004 18:41:18


Quote:




> > > Australia on track for an amazing win. The pitch that has helped
> > > Murali has also helped Warne.

> > > That's one blow against pitch doctoring.

> > > FRAN

> > Well,
> > yes, Australia are going to win fair and square bit don't let it get in
> > the way of you accusing the SLans of skullduggery.
> > It's a day 5 pitch in Galle, how do you expect it to behave?

> > H

> It all depends on how you think a Test wicket should be prepared.
> Most of us ( West ?? ) believe that a wicket should favour the pace
>  bowlers in the 1st session and then even out to a good batting wicket
>  for the next few days. On the 4th day it should start favouring spin
> and the last day the spin should dominate.

> Now having a spinner opening the bowling on the 1st day makes
> you wonder if they have made the wicket to avoid facing the
> Australian quicks ?

> Now lets go back a year or two and remember those green tops that NZ
> "doctored up " for the Indians. They were criticised by a lot of people
> from the sub-continent and form other quarters as well. I guess they
believe
> that what was good for the goose should be good for the gander.

Will dude, pitch doctoring is when Perth turns into a bounceless spinners
paradise or Sydney becomes a bouncy, hard and fast wicket that doesn't take
any spin! I know the Galle pitch very well and it played to right my
expectations because it ALWAYS takes heaps of spin. Chech Murali's record
there. No surprise at all. Its only silly idiots like Fran who don't know
their pitches who talk about dumb things like pitch doctoring. This type of
sheer ignorance is almost laughable on a cricket newsgroup.

Laz

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Warne on 499 -- Pitch Hijinx fail

Post by Larry de Silv » Sat, 13 Mar 2004 18:36:27


Quote:
> Australia on track for an amazing win. The pitch that has helped
> Murali has also helped Warne.

> That's one blow against pitch doctoring.

> FRAN

Look, I KNOW the Galle pitch MUCH better than you. There was NO pitch
doctoring at all because this pitch was identical to the pitches Galle has
produced for ***y years. I lived there as a kid so I know.You are talking
through your hat when you perpetuate a myth that the pitch was doctored. Any
pitch that can produce SO many runs for the amount of wickets cant have been
such a bad ***y pitch if you REALLY know your cricket as you profess to
do.
Just put brain in gear before you engage it next time FRANtic.

Laz

 
 
 

Warne on 499 -- Pitch Hijinx fail

Post by Larry de Silv » Sat, 13 Mar 2004 18:51:22


Quote:



> > Australia on track for an amazing win. The pitch that has helped
> > Murali has also helped Warne.

> > That's one blow against pitch doctoring.

> You could accuse people of pitch doctoring if the pitch is completly
> different to normal.  I suspect this is a typical pitch for the venue.

EXACTLY RIGHT fruit man. You got it in one.

Laz

Quote:

> > FRAN

 
 
 

Warne on 499 -- Pitch Hijinx fail

Post by Ananda Wijepal » Sat, 13 Mar 2004 19:40:00



Quote:




> > > Australia on track for an amazing win. The pitch that has helped
> > > Murali has also helped Warne.

> > > That's one blow against pitch doctoring.

> > You could accuse people of pitch doctoring if the pitch is completly
> > different to normal.  I suspect this is a typical pitch for the venue.

> Nah, a typical Galle pitch doesn't see scores much above 200 from what I
> hear. They've deliberately gone out of their way NOT to prepare a typical
> Murali track. This was a fair pitch where the batsmen could play Murali if
> they were good enough.

What you hear is wrong.

If you do a quick search you will find that this ground has produced more
than 300(not 200) on many occasions ( 8 time out of 9 matches).

9 test matches played in Galle

SL  323         SL v NZ  1998
Pak 600/8d   SL v SA  2000
SL  522        SL v Pak 2000
SL  470/5d   SL v Eng 2000/01
SL  362        SL v Ind 2001
WI  448       SL v WI  2001/02
 SL  418      SL v Zim 2001/02
SL  331      SL v Eng 2003/04

Ananda

 
 
 

Warne on 499 -- Pitch Hijinx fail

Post by The Wo » Sat, 13 Mar 2004 19:51:46


Quote:







> > > > Australia on track for an amazing win. The pitch that has helped
> > > > Murali has also helped Warne.

> > > > That's one blow against pitch doctoring.

> > > You could accuse people of pitch doctoring if the pitch is completly
> > > different to normal.  I suspect this is a typical pitch for the venue.

> > Nah, a typical Galle pitch doesn't see scores much above 200 from what I
> > hear. They've deliberately gone out of their way NOT to prepare a
typical
> > Murali track. This was a fair pitch where the batsmen could play Murali
if
> > they were good enough.

> What you hear is wrong.

> If you do a quick search you will find that this ground has produced more
> than 300(not 200) on many occasions ( 8 time out of 9 matches).

> 9 test matches played in Galle

> SL  323         SL v NZ  1998
> Pak 600/8d   SL v SA  2000
> SL  522        SL v Pak 2000
> SL  470/5d   SL v Eng 2000/01
> SL  362        SL v Ind 2001
> WI  448       SL v WI  2001/02
>  SL  418      SL v Zim 2001/02
> SL  331      SL v Eng 2003/04

All 1inn?
 
 
 

Warne on 499 -- Pitch Hijinx fail

Post by Paul Robso » Sat, 13 Mar 2004 20:06:40

Quote:

> Will dude, pitch doctoring is when Perth turns into a bounceless spinners
> paradise or Sydney becomes a bouncy, hard and fast wicket that doesn't
> take any spin! I know the Galle pitch very well and it played to right my
> expectations because it ALWAYS takes heaps of spin. Chech Murali's record
> there. No surprise at all. Its only silly idiots like Fran who don't know
> their pitches who talk about dumb things like pitch doctoring. This type
> of sheer ignorance is almost laughable on a cricket newsgroup.

Don't you think it would help SL if it didn't take quite so much spin ? I
think Murali is going to be difficult to play anywhere, he turns it on just
about any surface.
 
 
 

Warne on 499 -- Pitch Hijinx fail

Post by Ken Higg » Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:46:00

Quote:


> > Australia on track for an amazing win. The pitch that has helped
> > Murali has also helped Warne.

> > That's one blow against pitch doctoring.

> > FRAN

> Well,
> yes, Australia are going to win fair and square bit don't let it get in
> the way of you accusing the SLans of skullduggery.
> It's a day 5 pitch in Galle, how do you expect it to behave?

> H

I know I shouldn't reply to my own posts, and I know I shouldn't really
have to spell it out, but for the likes of Paul Robson, I obviously do.

Paul, The Chuckster was saying that I couldn't take the Australian win
graciously and then when I said I had acknowledged them winning fair and
square he called me a liar.

H