MIKE DENNESS, PUT UP OR SHUT UP!

MIKE DENNESS, PUT UP OR SHUT UP!

Post by Dr. Jai Mahar » Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:04:02


Mike Denness, put up or shut up!

By Prem Panicker
Rediff On The Net
Tuesday, November 20, 2001

On Monday evening, shortly after the completion of the
fourth day's play in the second India-RSA Test at Port
Elizabeth, news broke that the Indian team, en masse, had
been hauled up by the match referee for various offences.

The instinctive reaction would be to accuse match referee
and former England captain Mike Denness of bias, or
worse. But it could be more instructive to examine the
incident in some detail -- with reference to the ICC code
that Mr Denness is there to enforce.

And before getting to the issues themselves, it is
perhaps pertinent to question the way in which this
action has been carried out.

On Sunday evening, word is leaked to certain sections of
the media that the South African television company
responsible for producing the images for live coverage
has handed over to Denness a video clip allegedly showing
Sachin Tendulkar tampering with the ball. The story is
accompanied by a comment that the match referee is
studying the incident.

On Monday, the match referee in the morning intimates to
the ESPN-Star network, which is responsible for the
commentary, that he sees no reason to believe that
Tendulkar is guilty of the offence. Later in the day, it
is indicated that the match referee has summoned
Tendulkar and several other Indians for another meeting.
Further, that he is in close consultation with the ICC.

And finally, late the same evening, the media is tipped
off that Denness is going to find Tendulkar guilty of
ball tampering, Sehwag guilty of excessive appealing, and
assorted other Indian players guilty of assorted other
acts of mayhem. We are told, further, that Denness
himself will issue a statement on Tuesday.

It begs the question -- why? If Tendulkar is guilty, why
did the match referee find it necessary to leak the news
of his thoughts, rather than come up with the official
statement immediately? If Sehwag is to be suspended for
excessive appealing, why did Denness need to inform the
media about it, prior to his official statement?

In political circles they call this a trial balloon -- a
favourite tactic of governments everywhere. When a
government is not sure about the fallout of some
contemplated act, you will find a story in the media that
runs "Sources close to the government indicated that
there is a possibility that such and such an act is
likely..."

Then the reaction is assessed -- and if it is negative,
the government then comes up with an official statement
that goes something like this: "Nooooooooooo, who said we
were going to do any such thing? That is all a creation
of the media".

For those of us who have been in journalism for a while,
this particular tactic is old hat -- and easily
recognisable, even when translated into cricketing
paradigms.

Now examine the mechanics of the incident, firstly in
relation to ball tampering. And ask yourself a couple of
questions.

First, is it a fact that umpires are expected to examine
the ball at regular intervals to determine if it had been
tampered with?

Yes. As per the ICC's rulebook, Law 5 governing Test-
Playing Conditions reads, in relevant part, thus: "The
umpires shall retain possession of the match balls
throughout the duration of the match when play is not
actually taking place. During play umpires shall
periodically and irregularly inspect the condition of the
ball and shall retain possession of it at the fall of a
wicket, a drinks interval, at the end of every over, or
any other disruption in play." . . .
?[...]
This is only an excerpt -- read the complete article at:

http://www.rediff.com/cricket/2001/nov/20sachin.htm

Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the educational
purposes of research and open discussion. The contents of this post
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opinion of the poster. The contents are protected by copyright law
and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Panchaang for 5 Mrgshir 5102, Tuesday, November 20, 2001:

Vrisha Nama Samvatsare Dakshinaya Jivana Ritau
     Vrischika Mase Shukla Pakshe Mangala Vasara Yuktayam
Uttarashadha-Shravana Nakshatra Vriddhi Yoga
     Kaulava-Taitila Karana Shasthee Yam Tithau

Hindu Holocaust Museum
http://www.mantra.com/holocaust

Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy
http://www.hindu.org
http://www.hindunet.org

The truth about Islam and Muslims
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate

 
 
 

MIKE DENNESS, PUT UP OR SHUT UP!

Post by harmon » Thu, 22 Nov 2001 08:21:40

I really didn't have patience reading about problems of a game that does not
belong in India. Cricket is one institutional avenue that resurrects
colnialism in the english people when playing institutionally with their
former colonies.  Further, cricket needs to be buried in 21st century. But
just as communism survives in India though dead in Russia, cricket will go
on in the unimaginative india.



Quote:
> Mike Denness, put up or shut up!


 
 
 

MIKE DENNESS, PUT UP OR SHUT UP!

Post by ranjo » Thu, 22 Nov 2001 08:31:35

 a game that does not belong in India.

I think the 100's of 1000's of people who go to see the games in India might
have something to say about that.

Cricket is one institutional avenue that resurrects

Quote:
> colnialism in the english people when playing "institutionally" with their
> former colonies.

So when England play Germany at football is that an institutionally linked
to the Gestapo and Churchill war cabinet. I don't think so, it is a rivallry
that people from both countries relish. Life has gone on a long way in 50
years. It's about time your's did too.

Further, cricket needs to be buried in 21st century.

We in England will not bury the game, but don't let me stop you.

 
 
 

MIKE DENNESS, PUT UP OR SHUT UP!

Post by LION HAL » Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:19:28

Cricket is so annoying a game. Can some one shut the game up, please.
Quote:

> Mike Denness, put up or shut up!

> By Prem Panicker
> Rediff On The Net
> Tuesday, November 20, 2001

> On Monday evening, shortly after the completion of the
> fourth day's play in the second India-RSA Test at Port
> Elizabeth, news broke that the Indian team, en masse, had
> been hauled up by the match referee for various offences.

> The instinctive reaction would be to accuse match referee
> and former England captain Mike Denness of bias, or
> worse. But it could be more instructive to examine the
> incident in some detail -- with reference to the ICC code
> that Mr Denness is there to enforce.

> And before getting to the issues themselves, it is
> perhaps pertinent to question the way in which this
> action has been carried out.

> On Sunday evening, word is leaked to certain sections of
> the media that the South African television company
> responsible for producing the images for live coverage
> has handed over to Denness a video clip allegedly showing
> Sachin Tendulkar tampering with the ball. The story is
> accompanied by a comment that the match referee is
> studying the incident.

> On Monday, the match referee in the morning intimates to
> the ESPN-Star network, which is responsible for the
> commentary, that he sees no reason to believe that
> Tendulkar is guilty of the offence. Later in the day, it
> is indicated that the match referee has summoned
> Tendulkar and several other Indians for another meeting.
> Further, that he is in close consultation with the ICC.

> And finally, late the same evening, the media is tipped
> off that Denness is going to find Tendulkar guilty of
> ball tampering, Sehwag guilty of excessive appealing, and
> assorted other Indian players guilty of assorted other
> acts of mayhem. We are told, further, that Denness
> himself will issue a statement on Tuesday.

> It begs the question -- why? If Tendulkar is guilty, why
> did the match referee find it necessary to leak the news
> of his thoughts, rather than come up with the official
> statement immediately? If Sehwag is to be suspended for
> excessive appealing, why did Denness need to inform the
> media about it, prior to his official statement?

> In political circles they call this a trial balloon -- a
> favourite tactic of governments everywhere. When a
> government is not sure about the fallout of some
> contemplated act, you will find a story in the media that
> runs "Sources close to the government indicated that
> there is a possibility that such and such an act is
> likely..."

> Then the reaction is assessed -- and if it is negative,
> the government then comes up with an official statement
> that goes something like this: "Nooooooooooo, who said we
> were going to do any such thing? That is all a creation
> of the media".

> For those of us who have been in journalism for a while,
> this particular tactic is old hat -- and easily
> recognisable, even when translated into cricketing
> paradigms.

> Now examine the mechanics of the incident, firstly in
> relation to ball tampering. And ask yourself a couple of
> questions.

> First, is it a fact that umpires are expected to examine
> the ball at regular intervals to determine if it had been
> tampered with?

> Yes. As per the ICC's rulebook, Law 5 governing Test-
> Playing Conditions reads, in relevant part, thus: "The
> umpires shall retain possession of the match balls
> throughout the duration of the match when play is not
> actually taking place. During play umpires shall
> periodically and irregularly inspect the condition of the
> ball and shall retain possession of it at the fall of a
> wicket, a drinks interval, at the end of every over, or
> any other disruption in play." . . .
>  [...]
> This is only an excerpt -- read the complete article at:

> http://www.rediff.com/cricket/2001/nov/20sachin.htm

> Jai Maharaj
> http://www.mantra.com/jai
> Om Shanti

> Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the educational
> purposes of research and open discussion. The contents of this post
> may not have been authored by, and do not necessarily represent the
> opinion of the poster. The contents are protected by copyright law
> and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

> Panchaang for 5 Mrgshir 5102, Tuesday, November 20, 2001:

> Vrisha Nama Samvatsare Dakshinaya Jivana Ritau
>      Vrischika Mase Shukla Pakshe Mangala Vasara Yuktayam
> Uttarashadha-Shravana Nakshatra Vriddhi Yoga
>      Kaulava-Taitila Karana Shasthee Yam Tithau

> Hindu Holocaust Museum
> http://www.mantra.com/holocaust

> Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy
> http://www.hindu.org
> http://www.hindunet.org

> The truth about Islam and Muslims
> http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate

 
 
 

MIKE DENNESS, PUT UP OR SHUT UP!

Post by Dr. Jai Mahar » Fri, 23 Nov 2001 01:16:11



Quote:
> Cricket is so annoying a game. Can some one shut the game up, please.

Easy -- popularize the slogan: Either you are for peace or you like cricket.

Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

Quote:

> > Mike Denness, put up or shut up!

> > By Prem Panicker
> > Rediff On The Net
> > Tuesday, November 20, 2001

> > On Monday evening, shortly after the completion of the
> > fourth day's play in the second India-RSA Test at Port
> > Elizabeth, news broke that the Indian team, en masse, had
> > been hauled up by the match referee for various offences.

> > The instinctive reaction would be to accuse match referee
> > and former England captain Mike Denness of bias, or
> > worse. But it could be more instructive to examine the
> > incident in some detail -- with reference to the ICC code
> > that Mr Denness is there to enforce.

> > And before getting to the issues themselves, it is
> > perhaps pertinent to question the way in which this
> > action has been carried out.

> > On Sunday evening, word is leaked to certain sections of
> > the media that the South African television company
> > responsible for producing the images for live coverage
> > has handed over to Denness a video clip allegedly showing
> > Sachin Tendulkar tampering with the ball. The story is
> > accompanied by a comment that the match referee is
> > studying the incident.

> > On Monday, the match referee in the morning intimates to
> > the ESPN-Star network, which is responsible for the
> > commentary, that he sees no reason to believe that
> > Tendulkar is guilty of the offence. Later in the day, it
> > is indicated that the match referee has summoned
> > Tendulkar and several other Indians for another meeting.
> > Further, that he is in close consultation with the ICC.

> > And finally, late the same evening, the media is tipped
> > off that Denness is going to find Tendulkar guilty of
> > ball tampering, Sehwag guilty of excessive appealing, and
> > assorted other Indian players guilty of assorted other
> > acts of mayhem. We are told, further, that Denness
> > himself will issue a statement on Tuesday.

> > It begs the question -- why? If Tendulkar is guilty, why
> > did the match referee find it necessary to leak the news
> > of his thoughts, rather than come up with the official
> > statement immediately? If Sehwag is to be suspended for
> > excessive appealing, why did Denness need to inform the
> > media about it, prior to his official statement?

> > In political circles they call this a trial balloon -- a
> > favourite tactic of governments everywhere. When a
> > government is not sure about the fallout of some
> > contemplated act, you will find a story in the media that
> > runs "Sources close to the government indicated that
> > there is a possibility that such and such an act is
> > likely..."

> > Then the reaction is assessed -- and if it is negative,
> > the government then comes up with an official statement
> > that goes something like this: "Nooooooooooo, who said we
> > were going to do any such thing? That is all a creation
> > of the media".

> > For those of us who have been in journalism for a while,
> > this particular tactic is old hat -- and easily
> > recognisable, even when translated into cricketing
> > paradigms.

> > Now examine the mechanics of the incident, firstly in
> > relation to ball tampering. And ask yourself a couple of
> > questions.

> > First, is it a fact that umpires are expected to examine
> > the ball at regular intervals to determine if it had been
> > tampered with?

> > Yes. As per the ICC's rulebook, Law 5 governing Test-
> > Playing Conditions reads, in relevant part, thus: "The
> > umpires shall retain possession of the match balls
> > throughout the duration of the match when play is not
> > actually taking place. During play umpires shall
> > periodically and irregularly inspect the condition of the
> > ball and shall retain possession of it at the fall of a
> > wicket, a drinks interval, at the end of every over, or
> > any other disruption in play." . . .
> >  [...]
> > This is only an excerpt -- read the complete article at:

> > http://www.rediff.com/cricket/2001/nov/20sachin.htm

> > Jai Maharaj
> > http://www.mantra.com/jai
> > Om Shanti

> > Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the educational
> > purposes of research and open discussion. The contents of this post
> > may not have been authored by, and do not necessarily represent the
> > opinion of the poster. The contents are protected by copyright law
> > and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

> > Panchaang for 5 Mrgshir 5102, Tuesday, November 20, 2001:

> > Vrisha Nama Samvatsare Dakshinaya Jivana Ritau
> >      Vrischika Mase Shukla Pakshe Mangala Vasara Yuktayam
> > Uttarashadha-Shravana Nakshatra Vriddhi Yoga
> >      Kaulava-Taitila Karana Shasthee Yam Tithau

> > Hindu Holocaust Museum
> > http://www.mantra.com/holocaust

> > Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy
> > http://www.hindu.org
> > http://www.hindunet.org

> > The truth about Islam and Muslims
> > http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate

 
 
 

MIKE DENNESS, PUT UP OR SHUT UP!

Post by Mark Richardso » Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:14:22

Quote:

> I really didn't have patience reading about problems of a game that does
not
> belong in India. Cricket is one institutional avenue that resurrects
> colnialism in the english people when playing institutionally with their
> former colonies.  Further, cricket needs to be buried in 21st century. But
> just as communism survives in India though dead in Russia, cricket will go
> on in the unimaginative india.

That is an odd statement to make. About resurrecting colonialism that is. It
is "the colonies" that usually win. This would seem to put the boot very
firmly on the other foot. There are plenty of other relics of British
colonialism in India and I would suggest that most that remain, including
cricket, do so for very good reasons which have absolutely nothing to do
with colonialism.

Mark Richardson

 
 
 

MIKE DENNESS, PUT UP OR SHUT UP!

Post by Mark Richardso » Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:10:32



Quote:
> Mike Denness, put up or shut up!

> By Prem Panicker
> Rediff On The Net
> Tuesday, November 20, 2001

> On Monday evening, shortly after the completion of the
> fourth day's play in the second India-RSA Test at Port
> Elizabeth, news broke that the Indian team, en masse, had
> been hauled up by the match referee for various offences.

I must say the charge of ball tampering seems entirely excessive. The
"proof" is on video and Sachin can be seen cleaning the seam with finger
nails that are about as short as they can be. How he is supposed to be
raising the seam I do not know - it is clear that no pressure is being
applied. When the new ball is picking up bits of dirt and mud from a damp
field there is nothing unreasonable about cleaning the seam, any more than
there is about a bowler (or fielders) polishing one side of the ball on
their pants. The appealing by Sewag and the others was a bit over the top
and Ganguly should have told them to cool it, but Sachin's case seems to be
way, way over the top on the part of the match referee.

Mark Richardson

 
 
 

MIKE DENNESS, PUT UP OR SHUT UP!

Post by Bob Dube » Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:13:40



Quote:
>Mike Denness, put up or shut up!

>By Prem Panicker

And after that by line what does one expect!
 
 
 

MIKE DENNESS, PUT UP OR SHUT UP!

Post by Dr. Jai Mahar » Fri, 23 Nov 2001 03:38:06



Quote:
> On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 01:04:02 UTC, Dr. Jai Maharaj

>> Mike Denness, put up or shut up!
>> By Prem Panicker
> And after that by line what does one expect!
>  - Bob Dubery

An act of dubery, no doubt.

Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

 
 
 

MIKE DENNESS, PUT UP OR SHUT UP!

Post by Bob Dube » Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:48:10



Quote:


>> On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 01:04:02 UTC, Dr. Jai Maharaj

>>> Mike Denness, put up or shut up!
>>> By Prem Panicker

>> And after that by line what does one expect!
>>  - Bob Dubery

>An act of dubery, no doubt.

Touche :-)
 
 
 

MIKE DENNESS, PUT UP OR SHUT UP!

Post by harmon » Fri, 23 Nov 2001 02:11:25


Quote:


> > I really didn't have patience reading about problems of a game that does
> not
> > belong in India. Cricket is one institutional avenue that resurrects
> > colnialism in the english people when playing institutionally with their
> > former colonies.  Further, cricket needs to be buried in 21st century.
But
> > just as communism survives in India though dead in Russia, cricket will
go
> > on in the unimaginative india.

> That is an odd statement to make. About resurrecting colonialism that is.
It
> is "the colonies" that usually win. This would seem to put the boot very
> firmly on the other foot. There are plenty of other relics of British
> colonialism in India and I would suggest that most that remain, including
> cricket, do so for very good reasons which have absolutely nothing to do
> with colonialism.

> Mark Richardson

Thanks for your interesting viewpoint.  The relics remain because in the
unimaginative, maintenance-lax India nothing ever goes away. I bet you even
the islamic terrorism will get erased from the world but not in India. So,
as to the other boot, not really.
 
 
 

MIKE DENNESS, PUT UP OR SHUT UP!

Post by M. Ranjit Mathe » Fri, 23 Nov 2001 02:04:53


Quote:

> >> And after that by line what does one expect!
> >>  - Bob Dubery
> >An act of dubery, no doubt.
> Touche :-)

You've been touched by Dupois Maharaj:-)
 
 
 

MIKE DENNESS, PUT UP OR SHUT UP!

Post by Bob Dube » Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:09:16


Quote:

>You've been touched by Dupois Maharaj:-)

Uh... and who is Dupois Maharaj?
 
 
 

MIKE DENNESS, PUT UP OR SHUT UP!

Post by M. Ranjit Mathe » Sat, 24 Nov 2001 16:14:33


Quote:

> >You've been touched by Dupois Maharaj:-)
> Uh... and who is Dupois Maharaj?

pun on duper:-)
 
 
 

MIKE DENNESS, PUT UP OR SHUT UP!

Post by Gafoo » Sat, 24 Nov 2001 16:20:36

Quote:



> > >You've been touched by Dupois Maharaj:-)
> > Uh... and who is Dupois Maharaj?

> pun on duper:-)

And who/what is duper ?