Redemption, one last hurrah for old guard ?

Redemption, one last hurrah for old guard ?

Post by CsP » Sun, 23 Apr 2006 01:33:16


Malcolm Conn writes

THE most successful era in Australian cricket can end in stunning
fashion, with one of the oldest teams assembled reclaiming the Ashes
and creating history with a third successive World Cup.

The answer appears to be yes. Australia could not have responded to the
gut-wrenching Ashes loss in a more emphatic way, thrashing a World XI
in last October's Super Test on the way to claiming 11 victories and a
draw in 12 Tests during seven hectic months of cricket.

By the time the coin is tossed to begin the first Test at Brisbane's
Gabba on November 23, seven of the likely Australian side will be 35 or
older. It simply cannot last much longer at the top without significant
renewal.

If the same formula for the side is continued from the 3-0 thrashing of
South Africa last month, then no player will be under 30. The average
age will be pushing towards 33 and a half, taking the team into rare
territory.

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The older players are likely to play sping and medium pace bowling
better.
With slowing reflexes, fast bowlers will take upperhand against batsmen
aged 33+ and
above. That is what the history and the scoring patterns of current
players suggest.

Tendulkar,Hayden,Langer and Laxman etc play spin and medium pace bowler
ok - they nudge around and score runs. Against quicker men, these
players have struggled of late.
Even Lara struggled against Bond.
Aussie victories have come against sides with 1 good pace bowler -
Ntini for SA and for WI.   Ntini and Nel were injured in several Tests.

England with superior, pace dominated attack will do much better
against an aged Aussie side.

If they want to reclaim Ashes bring on Jaques, Clarke, for Langer and
Martyn.

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Redemption, one last hurrah for old guard ?

Post by Mad Hamis » Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:18:19


Quote:

>Malcolm Conn writes

>THE most successful era in Australian cricket can end in stunning
>fashion, with one of the oldest teams assembled reclaiming the Ashes
>and creating history with a third successive World Cup.

>The answer appears to be yes. Australia could not have responded to the
>gut-wrenching Ashes loss in a more emphatic way, thrashing a World XI
>in last October's Super Test on the way to claiming 11 victories and a
>draw in 12 Tests during seven hectic months of cricket.

>By the time the coin is tossed to begin the first Test at Brisbane's
>Gabba on November 23, seven of the likely Australian side will be 35 or
>older. It simply cannot last much longer at the top without significant
>renewal.

>If the same formula for the side is continued from the 3-0 thrashing of
>South Africa last month, then no player will be under 30. The average
>age will be pushing towards 33 and a half, taking the team into rare
>territory.

>The older players are likely to play sping and medium pace bowling
>better.
>With slowing reflexes, fast bowlers will take upperhand against batsmen
>aged 33+ and
>above. That is what the history and the scoring patterns of current
>players suggest.

>Tendulkar,Hayden,Langer and Laxman etc play spin and medium pace bowler
>ok - they nudge around and score runs. Against quicker men, these
>players have struggled of late.
>Even Lara struggled against Bond.
>Aussie victories have come against sides with 1 good pace bowler -
>Ntini for SA and for WI.   Ntini and Nel were injured in several Tests.

>England with superior, pace dominated attack will do much better
>against an aged Aussie side.

>If they want to reclaim Ashes bring on Jaques, Clarke, for Langer and
>Martyn.

Of course what he's missing there is that Langer was probably
Australia's best bat over the Ashes series and Clarke wasn't exactly a
stand out in it either...
--
"Hope is replaced by fear and dreams by survival, most of us get by."
Stuart Adamson 1958-2001

Mad Hamish
Hamish Laws


 
 
 

Redemption, one last hurrah for old guard ?

Post by CsP » Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:41:38

Quote:


> Of course what he's missing there is that Langer was probably
> Australia's best bat over the Ashes series and Clarke wasn't exactly a
> stand out in it either...

Since his last 100, Langer has precisely ONE score of more than 50 in
14 innings.
Langer has been great, but the time is ripe for youngesters to step up.

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Redemption, one last hurrah for old guard ?

Post by alve » Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:44:16


Quote:
> Malcolm Conn pimps for NSW players.

snip blah blah

There was also a lovely big pic of the Fabulous Fundament himself, and of
course an accompanying major article that you could use to light up a dark
room. Go "spearhead".

 
 
 

Redemption, one last hurrah for old guard ?

Post by M.. » Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:29:12

Quote:


> > Malcolm Conn pimps for NSW players.

> snip blah blah

> There was also a lovely big pic of the Fabulous Fundament himself, and of
> course an accompanying major article that you could use to light up a dark
> room. Go "spearhead".

Alvey.

I'm trying to find all those articles that the Big Blue Blower wrote
about aging players while the Waugh brothers were still in the side.
Can you assist.

PS. can you please tell me more about that young player, Stuart
MacGill.

Moby

 
 
 

Redemption, one last hurrah for old guard ?

Post by Mad Hamis » Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:25:13


Quote:



>> Of course what he's missing there is that Langer was probably
>> Australia's best bat over the Ashes series and Clarke wasn't exactly a
>> stand out in it either...

>Since his last 100, Langer has precisely ONE score of more than 50 in
>14 innings.

a) Amusing that you're taking the 2nd innings of a test that he made
100 in the first innings
b) those innings include 2 0*s
7   13   1   392  99   47   37   32.66   0   1

yeah, he's been down a bit but he's also been fairly injury disrupted
and if he can get a decent run up to the Ashes his concentration might
well be better.

Quote:
>Langer has been great, but the time is ripe for youngesters to step up.

I'm not really sure that Jacques has shown that he's ready for the
English attack either though.
--
"Hope is replaced by fear and dreams by survival, most of us get by."
Stuart Adamson 1958-2001

Mad Hamish
Hamish Laws

 
 
 

Redemption, one last hurrah for old guard ?

Post by Phil » Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:04:05

Quote:




> >> Of course what he's missing there is that Langer was probably
> >> Australia's best bat over the Ashes series and Clarke wasn't exactly a
> >> stand out in it either...

> >Since his last 100, Langer has precisely ONE score of more than 50 in
> >14 innings.

> a) Amusing that you're taking the 2nd innings of a test that he made
> 100 in the first innings
> b) those innings include 2 0*s
> 7   13   1   392  99   47   37   32.66   0   1

> yeah, he's been down a bit but he's also been fairly injury disrupted
> and if he can get a decent run up to the Ashes his concentration might
> well be better.

I'm not sure that Langer would be well advised to play against England
with his concussion history, he still had headaches a week after being
hit in the Third Test by Ntini.  One thing that he can count on is that
he will get short pitched bowling from the English attack, the next hit
on his head could cause permanent damage.

Phil.