I am a fan and not a fanboy

I am a fan and not a fanboy

Post by Howza » Fri, 26 Feb 2010 04:15:25


Sachin made a 200 today, congratulations to him, but as a fan, I look at
his knock objectively than the blind admiration his fanboys show for
him. At 187, Sachin had faced 135 balls. He took another 12 balls to
score the remaining 13 runs evidently being slowed down by his selfish
pursuit of 200. As a fan, I see it objectively and see it as a hole on
his resume. As India prepare for 2011 WC, every player needs to play
selflessly. And Sachin especially with almost a ton of tons needs to
place team goals above his personal goals. As a fan of Sachin, I see it
objectively and not like a fanboy. So while I am happy with his knock,
it just exposed the holes on his resume further for me.
 
 
 

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Post by cricketu.. » Fri, 26 Feb 2010 04:21:24


Quote:
> Sachin made a 200 today, congratulations to him, but as a fan, I look at
> his knock objectively than the blind admiration his fanboys show for
> him. At 187, Sachin had faced 135 balls. He took another 12 balls to
> score the remaining 13 runs evidently being slowed down by his selfish
> pursuit of 200. As a fan, I see it objectively and see it as a hole on
> his resume. As India prepare for 2011 WC, every player needs to play
> selflessly. And Sachin especially with almost a ton of tons needs to
> place team goals above his personal goals. As a fan of Sachin, I see it
> objectively and not like a fanboy. So while I am happy with his knock,
> it just exposed the holes on his resume further for me.

so 400+ is not a good odi score for you?

 
 
 

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Post by Howza » Fri, 26 Feb 2010 04:22:49

Quote:


>> Sachin made a 200 today, congratulations to him, but as a fan, I look at
>> his knock objectively than the blind admiration his fanboys show for
>> him. At 187, Sachin had faced 135 balls. He took another 12 balls to
>> score the remaining 13 runs evidently being slowed down by his selfish
>> pursuit of 200. As a fan, I see it objectively and see it as a hole on
>> his resume. As India prepare for 2011 WC, every player needs to play
>> selflessly. And Sachin especially with almost a ton of tons needs to
>> place team goals above his personal goals. As a fan of Sachin, I see it
>> objectively and not like a fanboy. So while I am happy with his knock,
>> it just exposed the holes on his resume further for me.

> so 400+ is not a good odi score for you?

Typical Sachin fanboy response. Can't take anything that casts their
God in less than perfect light.

 
 
 

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Post by tendulkar.co » Fri, 26 Feb 2010 04:29:11


Quote:
> Sachin made a 200 today, congratulations to him, but as a fan, I look at
> his knock objectively than the blind admiration his fanboys show for
> him. At 187, Sachin had faced 135 balls. He took another 12 balls to
> score the remaining 13 runs evidently being slowed down by his selfish
> pursuit of 200. As a fan, I see it objectively and see it as a hole on
> his resume. As India prepare for 2011 WC, every player needs to play
> selflessly. And Sachin especially with almost a ton of tons needs to
> place team goals above his personal goals. As a fan of Sachin, I see it
> objectively and not like a fanboy. So while I am happy with his knock,
> it just exposed the holes on his resume further for me.

What if the country wants his Hundreds?

I can guarantee you today more people were e***d about Sachin's 200
than India winning the match.

I agree it shouldn't overly impede a team's chances, but personal
records are important. People get e***d about it and it is hypocrisy
if someones claims the opposite. In fact more fans are keeping track
of Sachin's 47, 46, 93 than some matches which India may have won or
lost

At the end of the day, there is no science, m***code, religious
framework or constitutional amendment that claims Playing For Records
is Bad. In fact, Adam Smith's 'Individual Self Interest results in
Great Good' hypothesis may actually work in this case

Strategically, 'A Set Batsman Not Getting Out' is one of the most
important moves in winning a cricket game (As a new batsman has a
higher probability of getting out). So, Sachin's pursuit of Individual
excellence has done more good than harm. It's all good.

if Sachin had aimed for a personal record during his 175, India may
have had a better chance at Winning that match.

 
 
 

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Post by Howzza » Fri, 26 Feb 2010 04:44:51


Quote:

> > Sachin made a 200 today, congratulations to him, but as a fan, I look at
> > his knock objectively than the blind admiration his fanboys show for
> > him. At 187, Sachin had faced 135 balls. He took another 12 balls to
> > score the remaining 13 runs evidently being slowed down by his selfish
> > pursuit of 200. As a fan, I see it objectively and see it as a hole on
> > his resume. As India prepare for 2011 WC, every player needs to play
> > selflessly. And Sachin especially with almost a ton of tons needs to
> > place team goals above his personal goals. As a fan of Sachin, I see it
> > objectively and not like a fanboy. So while I am happy with his knock,
> > it just exposed the holes on his resume further for me.

> so 400+ is not a good odi score for you?

You guys do realize that his "Howzat" is a fake and trolling, correct?

Come on - be an man and post under your real alias.

 
 
 

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Post by Lenin Mara » Fri, 26 Feb 2010 04:50:30


Quote:
> Sachin made a 200 today, congratulations to him, but as a fan, I look at
> his knock objectively than the blind admiration his fanboys show for him.
> At 187, Sachin had faced 135 balls. He took another 12 balls to score the
> remaining 13 runs evidently being slowed down by his selfish pursuit of
> 200. As a fan, I see it objectively and see it as a hole on his resume. As
> India prepare for 2011 WC, every player needs to play selflessly. And
> Sachin especially with almost a ton of tons needs to place team goals
> above his personal goals. As a fan of Sachin, I see it objectively and not
> like a fanboy. So while I am happy with his knock, it just exposed the
> holes on his resume further for me.

nice try Ravi.
 
 
 

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Post by cricdabb.. » Fri, 26 Feb 2010 04:56:29


Quote:
> I can guarantee you today more people were e***d about Sachin's 200

Fools. You need to teach them that this was a
meaningless achievement resulting purely from
the random event of his not getting out early.
(You can hide behind the claim that you'll only
pipe up when he gets 2, but the truth is that
you don't have the courage of your claimed
convictions.)
 
 
 

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Post by skp » Fri, 26 Feb 2010 05:15:53


Quote:
> Sachin made a 200 today, congratulations to him, but as a fan, I look at
> his knock objectively than the blind admiration his fanboys show for
> him. At 187, Sachin had faced 135 balls. He took another 12 balls to
> score the remaining 13 runs evidently being slowed down by his selfish
> pursuit of 200. As a fan, I see it objectively and see it as a hole on
> his resume. As India prepare for 2011 WC, every player needs to play
> selflessly. And Sachin especially with almost a ton of tons needs to
> place team goals above his personal goals. As a fan of Sachin, I see it
> objectively and not like a fanboy. So while I am happy with his knock,
> it just exposed the holes on his resume further for me.

Well, there is no doubt you are not a SRT fanboy.  But one wonders
whether you are even an SRT fan.

(Not that it matters much...just reponding to the title of your post).

This kind of stuff (going for personal landmarks) happens all the time
in cricket. You are quite right that it really shouldn't but the fact
is that it does  (I do agree with Tend.com that in a largely
meaningless ODI, getting to 200 is way more memorable or special than
marginally increasing the chances of an Indian win by smacking the
ball around and trying to score as many runs as possible).

Guys pinch runs when on 99 that they wouldn't dream of doing when on
79.  They put the team at risk to get that ton.

Guys don't farm the strike when 8 or 9 wickets down in a test match
just because they are on 99.  Hell, I have even seen Laxman expose a
hapless Munaf Patel to the second ball of an over (I think against RSA
the last time India played there) simply because he was on 49 and
wanted to get 50.  {OTOH, I have seen Dravid and Sehwag refuse singles
when on 199 in order to farm the strike.  Dravid in Adelaide and
Sehwag in Sri Lanka}.

I have also heard Kumble say after he got his 10 'fer that "the first
thing I thought of is that we won the match.  The second thing I
thought of is that oh, I got all 10 wickets".

Complete BS.  Nothing against Kumble who I think deserves all the
accolades he can get but want a bunch of baloney.  The match was won
when he had the first 9 wickets (hell, probably even earlier).  The
only thought in his mind would have been "Damn...I hope that friggin'
Srinath doesn't get one of these guys out.  I want that 10th wicket!"

And who could blame him for thinking that way.

He should have just been perfectly honest during the interview and
said that "yeah, I realy wanted that 10th wicket and I am thrilled to
have gotten it. It was also fantastic to win the match after losing a
heartbreaker in Chennai".

I haven't seen the 200 innings yet.  Will do so later tonight.  Had I
seen it, I sure as hell would have been rooting for him to take all
the time he needs to get to that 200.  And that ain't being a SRT
fanboy because I would have felt the same had it been just about any
other Indian Batsman or one of several batsmen from other countries
whom I enjoy watching on the cricket field.

 
 
 

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Post by R Bharat Ra » Fri, 26 Feb 2010 05:40:08


Quote:
> Sachin made a 200 today, congratulations to him, but as a fan, I look at
> his knock objectively than the blind admiration his fanboys show for
> him. At 187, Sachin had faced 135 balls. He took another 12 balls to
> score the remaining 13 runs evidently being slowed down by his selfish
> pursuit of 200. As a fan, I see it objectively and see it as a hole on
> his resume. As India prepare for 2011 WC, every player needs to play
> selflessly. And Sachin especially with almost a ton of tons needs to
> place team goals above his personal goals. As a fan of Sachin, I see it
> objectively and not like a fanboy. So while I am happy with his knock,
> it just exposed the holes on his resume further for me.

Did you watch the game?  I actually did -- woke up early by accident,
strolled down, checked email & when taking a break somewhat
desultorily checked CricInfo.  Couldn't get on, and thought the site
was down; when I remembered there was an ODI on, so connected to
Willow -- Holy Cow, Pathan whacks Parnell for six.  Only then do I
realize the score is some 260/2 for SRT is batting on 153* and there
are 12 overs left...

Good decision, I'd say, because it was amazing batting.

Howzat, did you actually see the game or did you just look at the
CricInfo scorecard and draw your own conclusions?  You do realize that
Dhoni was going berserk at the other end, and SRT very deliberately
kept keep rotating the strike to him.  He faced about 5 balls in the
last 5 overs, just taking singles and letting Dhoni do the heavy
lifting. He had one dot ball, when Langeveldt bowled a pinpoint yorker
which he blocked.

If the other player was struggling, I have no doubt SRT would have
kept blazing.  When Dhoni was going great guns, it made sense to just
take singles.  The *only* time that Tendulkar did something remotely
anti-team by your standards, was when Tendulkar was on 199 on the 2nd
ball of the 50th over, there was a possible 2, and they ran only 1, so
that he could get the strike.  And there would have been a *** mob
had he not been given the opportunity to get the ton (heck, I was
getting irritated with the way the two of them kept running tight
singles of the last ball of every over).

Bharat

 
 
 

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Post by Andrew Dunfor » Fri, 26 Feb 2010 05:55:31


Quote:

>> Sachin made a 200 today, congratulations to him, but as a fan, I look at
>> his knock objectively than the blind admiration his fanboys show for
>> him. At 187, Sachin had faced 135 balls. He took another 12 balls to
>> score the remaining 13 runs evidently being slowed down by his selfish
>> pursuit of 200. As a fan, I see it objectively and see it as a hole on
>> his resume. As India prepare for 2011 WC, every player needs to play
>> selflessly. And Sachin especially with almost a ton of tons needs to
>> place team goals above his personal goals. As a fan of Sachin, I see it
>> objectively and not like a fanboy. So while I am happy with his knock,
>> it just exposed the holes on his resume further for me.

> What if the country wants his Hundreds?

> I can guarantee you today more people were e***d about Sachin's 200
> than India winning the match.

> I agree it shouldn't overly impede a team's chances, but personal
> records are important. People get e***d about it and it is hypocrisy
> if someones claims the opposite. In fact more fans are keeping track
> of Sachin's 47, 46, 93 than some matches which India may have won or
> lost

> At the end of the day, there is no science, m***code, religious
> framework or constitutional amendment that claims Playing For Records
> is Bad. In fact, Adam Smith's 'Individual Self Interest results in
> Great Good' hypothesis may actually work in this case

> Strategically, 'A Set Batsman Not Getting Out' is one of the most
> important moves in winning a cricket game (As a new batsman has a
> higher probability of getting out).

That strategy makes sense in many circumstances, especially the longer
formats.  However in a 50-over international when the player has batted
since the beginning of the innings for 45 overs and has cramp, and there are
several other batsmen in the shed awaiting their turn, it is worthless.

Without wishing to give credence to the original troll, it is likely that
India would have reached a higher total had Tendulkar retired after 44
overs.  On the other hand, one could opine that he did an excellent job of
feeding the strike to Dhoni by scoring mainly singles in the last six overs.

<snip>

Andrew

 
 
 

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Post by Andrew Dunfor » Fri, 26 Feb 2010 06:07:58



Quote:

>> Sachin made a 200 today, congratulations to him, but as a fan, I look at
>> his knock objectively than the blind admiration his fanboys show for
>> him. At 187, Sachin had faced 135 balls. He took another 12 balls to
>> score the remaining 13 runs evidently being slowed down by his selfish
>> pursuit of 200. As a fan, I see it objectively and see it as a hole on
>> his resume. As India prepare for 2011 WC, every player needs to play
>> selflessly. And Sachin especially with almost a ton of tons needs to
>> place team goals above his personal goals. As a fan of Sachin, I see it
>> objectively and not like a fanboy. So while I am happy with his knock,
>> it just exposed the holes on his resume further for me.

> Did you watch the game?  I actually did -- woke up early by accident,
> strolled down, checked email & when taking a break somewhat
> desultorily checked CricInfo.  Couldn't get on, and thought the site
> was down; when I remembered there was an ODI on, so connected to
> Willow -- Holy Cow, Pathan whacks Parnell for six.  Only then do I
> realize the score is some 260/2 for SRT is batting on 153* and there
> are 12 overs left...

> Good decision, I'd say, because it was amazing batting.

> Howzat, did you actually see the game or did you just look at the
> CricInfo scorecard and draw your own conclusions?  You do realize that
> Dhoni was going berserk at the other end, and SRT very deliberately
> kept keep rotating the strike to him.  He faced about 5 balls in the
> last 5 overs, just taking singles and letting Dhoni do the heavy
> lifting. He had one dot ball, when Langeveldt bowled a pinpoint yorker
> which he blocked.

> If the other player was struggling, I have no doubt SRT would have
> kept blazing.  When Dhoni was going great guns, it made sense to just
> take singles.  The *only* time that Tendulkar did something remotely
> anti-team by your standards, was when Tendulkar was on 199 on the 2nd
> ball of the 50th over, there was a possible 2, and they ran only 1, so
> that he could get the strike.  And there would have been a *** mob
> had he not been given the opportunity to get the ton (heck, I was
> getting irritated with the way the two of them kept running tight
> singles of the last ball of every over).

Had a situation with my under-10 team the other week.  Batsman (who has
never scored a 50) is 46* with one over remaining, but has lost the strike.
Other batsman isn't very good at rotating the strike.  Coach wanders out to
the middle and counsels the players in the wisdom of swapping ends as soon
as possible.

Sure enough, other batsman has trouble laying bat on ball.  Eventually the
fifth ball of the over sneaks past the 'keeper; the non-striker is backing
up well and a smartly-taken bye ensues.  It seems that finally the lad will
get a chance to hit the last ball for four and reach his milestone.  However
this is under-10 cricket: by now the 'keeper has retrieved that fifth
delivery and thrown it to the bowler's end in an attempt to effect the run
out.  Does the bowler gather the return? Of course he doesn't.  The ball
skates off into the outfield and the batsmen take the opportunity to run a
comfortable overthrow.  Two byes have been completed and the stroke was not
rotated after all.

What do I say when the batsmen come off the field? Of course I congratulate
them for taking every run as they have been taught.

Andrew

 
 
 

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Post by Jellor » Fri, 26 Feb 2010 06:12:22


Quote:


> >> Sachin made a 200 today, congratulations to him, but as a fan, I look at
> >> his knock objectively than the blind admiration his fanboys show for
> >> him. At 187, Sachin had faced 135 balls. He took another 12 balls to
> >> score the remaining 13 runs evidently being slowed down by his selfish
> >> pursuit of 200. As a fan, I see it objectively and see it as a hole on
> >> his resume. As India prepare for 2011 WC, every player needs to play
> >> selflessly. And Sachin especially with almost a ton of tons needs to
> >> place team goals above his personal goals. As a fan of Sachin, I see it
> >> objectively and not like a fanboy. So while I am happy with his knock,
> >> it just exposed the holes on his resume further for me.

> > so 400+ is not a good odi score for you?

> Typical Sachin fanboy response. Can't take anything that casts their
> God in less than perfect light.

And you are a typical knocker, for reasons best known to yourself. The
man scored 200 off 147 balls and you are complaining, what an utter
fool you are.
 
 
 

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Post by Howzza » Fri, 26 Feb 2010 06:13:45


Quote:

> > Sachin made a 200 today, congratulations to him, but as a fan, I look at
> > his knock objectively than the blind admiration his fanboys show for
> > him. At 187, Sachin had faced 135 balls. He took another 12 balls to
> > score the remaining 13 runs evidently being slowed down by his selfish
> > pursuit of 200. As a fan, I see it objectively and see it as a hole on
> > his resume. As India prepare for 2011 WC, every player needs to play
> > selflessly. And Sachin especially with almost a ton of tons needs to
> > place team goals above his personal goals. As a fan of Sachin, I see it
> > objectively and not like a fanboy. So while I am happy with his knock,
> > it just exposed the holes on his resume further for me.

> Did you watch the game? ?I actually did -- woke up early by accident,
> strolled down, checked email & when taking a break somewhat
> desultorily checked CricInfo. ?Couldn't get on, and thought the site
> was down; when I remembered there was an ODI on, so connected to
> Willow -- Holy Cow, Pathan whacks Parnell for six. ?Only then do I
> realize the score is some 260/2 for SRT is batting on 153* and there
> are 12 overs left...

> Good decision, I'd say, because it was amazing batting.

> Howzat, did you actually see the game or did you just look at the
> CricInfo scorecard and draw your own conclusions? ?You do realize that
> Dhoni was going berserk at the other end, and SRT very deliberately
> kept keep rotating the strike to him. ?He faced about 5 balls in the
> last 5 overs, just taking singles and letting Dhoni do the heavy
> lifting. He had one dot ball, when Langeveldt bowled a pinpoint yorker
> which he blocked.

> If the other player was struggling, I have no doubt SRT would have
> kept blazing. ?When Dhoni was going great guns, it made sense to just
> take singles. ?The *only* time that Tendulkar did something remotely
> anti-team by your standards, was when Tendulkar was on 199 on the 2nd
> ball of the 50th over, there was a possible 2, and they ran only 1, so
> that he could get the strike. ?And there would have been a *** mob
> had he not been given the opportunity to get the ton (heck, I was
> getting irritated with the way the two of them kept running tight
> singles of the last ball of every over).

> Bharat

Bharat - ignore this trolling, fake "Howzat". Clearly a sad individual
trying to take pot-shots at me. I must have hit a raw nerve with this
loser in one of the other threads re. Tendulkar.
 
 
 

I am a fan and not a fanboy

Post by Jellor » Fri, 26 Feb 2010 06:14:30


Quote:



> >> Sachin made a 200 today, congratulations to him, but as a fan, I look at
> >> his knock objectively than the blind admiration his fanboys show for
> >> him. At 187, Sachin had faced 135 balls. He took another 12 balls to
> >> score the remaining 13 runs evidently being slowed down by his selfish
> >> pursuit of 200. As a fan, I see it objectively and see it as a hole on
> >> his resume. As India prepare for 2011 WC, every player needs to play
> >> selflessly. And Sachin especially with almost a ton of tons needs to
> >> place team goals above his personal goals. As a fan of Sachin, I see it
> >> objectively and not like a fanboy. So while I am happy with his knock,
> >> it just exposed the holes on his resume further for me.

> > What if the country wants his Hundreds?

> > I can guarantee you today more people were e***d about Sachin's 200
> > than India winning the match.

> > I agree it shouldn't overly impede a team's chances, but personal
> > records are important. People get e***d about it and it is hypocrisy
> > if someones claims the opposite. In fact more fans are keeping track
> > of Sachin's 47, 46, 93 than some matches which India may have won or
> > lost

> > At the end of the day, there is no science, m***code, religious
> > framework or constitutional amendment that claims Playing For Records
> > is Bad. In fact, Adam Smith's 'Individual Self Interest results in
> > Great Good' hypothesis may actually work in this case

> > Strategically, 'A Set Batsman Not Getting Out' is one of the most
> > important moves in winning a cricket game (As a new batsman has a
> > higher probability of getting out).

> That strategy makes sense in many circumstances, especially the longer
> formats. ?However in a 50-over international when the player has batted
> since the beginning of the innings for 45 overs and has cramp, and there are
> several other batsmen in the shed awaiting their turn, it is worthless.

> Without wishing to give credence to the original troll, it is likely that
> India would have reached a higher total had Tendulkar retired after 44
> overs. ?On the other hand, one could opine that he did an excellent job of
> feeding the strike to Dhoni by scoring mainly singles in the last six overs.

> <snip>

> Andrew

200 runs off 147 is worthless? Lol!!!

Not many present would agree with your warped logic.

 
 
 

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Post by skp » Fri, 26 Feb 2010 06:32:24


Quote:


> > > Sachin made a 200 today, congratulations to him, but as a fan, I look at
> > > his knock objectively than the blind admiration his fanboys show for
> > > him. At 187, Sachin had faced 135 balls. He took another 12 balls to
> > > score the remaining 13 runs evidently being slowed down by his selfish
> > > pursuit of 200. As a fan, I see it objectively and see it as a hole on
> > > his resume. As India prepare for 2011 WC, every player needs to play
> > > selflessly. And Sachin especially with almost a ton of tons needs to
> > > place team goals above his personal goals. As a fan of Sachin, I see it
> > > objectively and not like a fanboy. So while I am happy with his knock,
> > > it just exposed the holes on his resume further for me.

> > Did you watch the game? ?I actually did -- woke up early by accident,
> > strolled down, checked email & when taking a break somewhat
> > desultorily checked CricInfo. ?Couldn't get on, and thought the site
> > was down; when I remembered there was an ODI on, so connected to
> > Willow -- Holy Cow, Pathan whacks Parnell for six. ?Only then do I
> > realize the score is some 260/2 for SRT is batting on 153* and there
> > are 12 overs left...

> > Good decision, I'd say, because it was amazing batting.

> > Howzat, did you actually see the game or did you just look at the
> > CricInfo scorecard and draw your own conclusions? ?You do realize that
> > Dhoni was going berserk at the other end, and SRT very deliberately
> > kept keep rotating the strike to him. ?He faced about 5 balls in the
> > last 5 overs, just taking singles and letting Dhoni do the heavy
> > lifting. He had one dot ball, when Langeveldt bowled a pinpoint yorker
> > which he blocked.

> > If the other player was struggling, I have no doubt SRT would have
> > kept blazing. ?When Dhoni was going great guns, it made sense to just
> > take singles. ?The *only* time that Tendulkar did something remotely
> > anti-team by your standards, was when Tendulkar was on 199 on the 2nd
> > ball of the 50th over, there was a possible 2, and they ran only 1, so
> > that he could get the strike. ?And there would have been a *** mob
> > had he not been given the opportunity to get the ton (heck, I was
> > getting irritated with the way the two of them kept running tight
> > singles of the last ball of every over).

> > Bharat

> Bharat - ignore this trolling, fake "Howzat". Clearly a sad individual
> trying to take pot-shots at me. I must have hit a raw nerve with this
> loser in one of the other threads re. Tendulkar.- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

Heh...got taken in by it...note to self:  Don't post while at the
office...

nah...that would mean doing more office work.//