Current players who can easily walk into any current team

Current players who can easily walk into any current team

Post by krque » Mon, 27 Dec 2010 15:58:52


Yes, sadly, this is another useless list, I'm embarrassed. At least
this may feature Tendulkar without looking silly. This list also does
not have to contain 11 players, can go over or under depending on your
views, as this is NOT another all time XI.

This is what I have so far for the tests, and not necessarily in
batting order:

1. Cook (this is my view, you can have yours).
2. Sehwag.
3. Tendulkar.
4. Ponting (I believe, if he is offered, you'll make room for him,
just not for his captaincy. I would've opted for Hussey though, but
this is how I'd expect the other teams to weigh-in.)
5. Sangakkara (I prefer Boucher the wicketkeeper by a mile, but I
seriously doubt SL would allow Boucher to replace Sangakkara in their
team. So, he's not a shoe-in for every side. This, I understand, may
also be true for SA not opting for Sangakkara, but there's a chance
they'll relent for the current number one test batsman with a
fantastic average.)
6. Pietersen.
7. Stein.
8. Anderson.

Couldn't pick the Pakistani quicks, whom I believed could just walk in
on any team in the world just a few months ago, with possibilities
being great bowlers of all time someday. Now, even if they're
"somehow" proven innocent later, I doubt they can command such esteem
again in their career. It would take more than positive and superhuman
efforts hereon on their parts. I thought I may have a few more, but
can't think of any. As matter of fact, I may have to drop Ponting,
maybe there's a side who won't sacrifice one of theirs for him.

aA...

 
 
 

Current players who can easily walk into any current team

Post by Maxx » Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:01:20


Quote:
> Yes, sadly, this is another useless list, I'm embarrassed. At least
> this may feature Tendulkar without looking silly. This list also does
> not have to contain 11 players, can go over or under depending on your
> views, as this is NOT another all time XI.

> This is what I have so far for the tests, and not necessarily in
> batting order:

> 1. Cook (this is my view, you can have yours).
> 2. Sehwag.
> 3. Tendulkar.
> 4. Ponting (I believe, if he is offered, you'll make room for him,
> just not for his captaincy. I would've opted for Hussey though, but
> this is how I'd expect the other teams to weigh-in.)
> 5. Sangakkara (I prefer Boucher the wicketkeeper by a mile, but I
> seriously doubt SL would allow Boucher to replace Sangakkara in their
> team. So, he's not a shoe-in for every side. This, I understand, may
> also be true for SA not opting for Sangakkara, but there's a chance
> they'll relent for the current number one test batsman with a
> fantastic average.)
> 6. Pietersen.
> 7. Stein.
> 8. Anderson.

Amla, Kallis, de Villiers

 
 
 

Current players who can easily walk into any current team

Post by Lawrence?Logi » Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:13:06


Quote:
> Yes, sadly, this is another useless list, I'm embarrassed. At least
> this may feature Tendulkar without looking silly. This list also does
> not have to contain 11 players, can go over or under depending on your
> views, as this is NOT another all time XI.

> This is what I have so far for the tests, and not necessarily in
> batting order:

> 1. Cook (this is my view, you can have yours).
> 2. Sehwag.
> 3. Tendulkar.
> 4. Ponting (I believe, if he is offered, you'll make room for him,
> just not for his captaincy. I would've opted for Hussey though, but
> this is how I'd expect the other teams to weigh-in.)
> 5. Sangakkara (I prefer Boucher the wicketkeeper by a mile, but I
> seriously doubt SL would allow Boucher to replace Sangakkara in their
> team. So, he's not a shoe-in for every side. This, I understand, may
> also be true for SA not opting for Sangakkara, but there's a chance
> they'll relent for the current number one test batsman with a
> fantastic average.)
> 6. Pietersen.
> 7. Stein.
> 8. Anderson.

> Couldn't pick the Pakistani quicks, whom I believed could just walk in
> on any team in the world just a few months ago, with possibilities
> being great bowlers of all time someday. Now, even if they're
> "somehow" proven innocent later, I doubt they can command such esteem
> again in their career. It would take more than positive and superhuman
> efforts hereon on their parts. I thought I may have a few more, but
> can't think of any. As matter of fact, I may have to drop Ponting,
> maybe there's a side who won't sacrifice one of theirs for him.

I couldn't pick Punter on current form.  Hussey would be my preference.

The rest of your selections are good, although I can't help you with the
rest of the side.  Maybe Tremlett could get a spot on recent form.  Johnson
on his performance in the last Test or his performance in Sarth Efrica last
year?  I'd find a spot for Kallis too, even if it would have to be as a
bowler who can bat a little bit...

--
Lawrence
"If I was a towel, why would I be wearing this hat and this fake
moustache" - Steven McTowelie - 19 April 2006

 
 
 

Current players who can easily walk into any current team

Post by Jellor » Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:21:25


Quote:
> Yes, sadly, this is another useless list, I'm embarrassed. At least
> this may feature Tendulkar without looking silly. This list also does
> not have to contain 11 players, can go over or under depending on your
> views, as this is NOT another all time XI.

> This is what I have so far for the tests, and not necessarily in
> batting order:

> 1. Cook (this is my view, you can have yours).
> 2. Sehwag.
> 3. Tendulkar.
> 4. Ponting (I believe, if he is offered, you'll make room for him,
> just not for his captaincy. I would've opted for Hussey though, but
> this is how I'd expect the other teams to weigh-in.)
> 5. Sangakkara (I prefer Boucher the wicketkeeper by a mile, but I
> seriously doubt SL would allow Boucher to replace Sangakkara in their
> team. So, he's not a shoe-in for every side. This, I understand, may
> also be true for SA not opting for Sangakkara, but there's a chance
> they'll relent for the current number one test batsman with a
> fantastic average.)
> 6. Pietersen.
> 7. Stein.
> 8. Anderson.

> Couldn't pick the Pakistani quicks, whom I believed could just walk in
> on any team in the world just a few months ago, with possibilities
> being great bowlers of all time someday. Now, even if they're
> "somehow" proven innocent later, I doubt they can command such esteem
> again in their career. It would take more than positive and superhuman
> efforts hereon on their parts. I thought I may have a few more, but
> can't think of any. As matter of fact, I may have to drop Ponting,
> maybe there's a side who won't sacrifice one of theirs for him.

> aA...


Arguing the case for Ponting in the Australian team at present is
difficult. Putting him in a current world XI is just plain dumb.
 
 
 

Current players who can easily walk into any current team

Post by Jellor » Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:21:47


Quote:

> > Yes, sadly, this is another useless list, I'm embarrassed. At least
> > this may feature Tendulkar without looking silly. This list also does
> > not have to contain 11 players, can go over or under depending on your
> > views, as this is NOT another all time XI.

> > This is what I have so far for the tests, and not necessarily in
> > batting order:

> > 1. Cook (this is my view, you can have yours).
> > 2. Sehwag.
> > 3. Tendulkar.
> > 4. Ponting (I believe, if he is offered, you'll make room for him,
> > just not for his captaincy. I would've opted for Hussey though, but
> > this is how I'd expect the other teams to weigh-in.)
> > 5. Sangakkara (I prefer Boucher the wicketkeeper by a mile, but I
> > seriously doubt SL would allow Boucher to replace Sangakkara in their
> > team. So, he's not a shoe-in for every side. This, I understand, may
> > also be true for SA not opting for Sangakkara, but there's a chance
> > they'll relent for the current number one test batsman with a
> > fantastic average.)
> > 6. Pietersen.
> > 7. Stein.
> > 8. Anderson.

> Amla, Kallis, de Villiers- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

Most certainly.
 
 
 

Current players who can easily walk into any current team

Post by krque » Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:49:53

Quote:


> > Yes, sadly, this is another useless list, I'm embarrassed. At least
> > this may feature Tendulkar without looking silly. This list also does
> > not have to contain 11 players, can go over or under depending on your
> > views, as this is NOT another all time XI.

> > This is what I have so far for the tests, and not necessarily in
> > batting order:

> > 1. Cook (this is my view, you can have yours).
> > 2. Sehwag.
> > 3. Tendulkar.
> > 4. Ponting (I believe, if he is offered, you'll make room for him,
> > just not for his captaincy. I would've opted for Hussey though, but
> > this is how I'd expect the other teams to weigh-in.)
> > 5. Sangakkara (I prefer Boucher the wicketkeeper by a mile, but I
> > seriously doubt SL would allow Boucher to replace Sangakkara in their
> > team. So, he's not a shoe-in for every side. This, I understand, may
> > also be true for SA not opting for Sangakkara, but there's a chance
> > they'll relent for the current number one test batsman with a
> > fantastic average.)
> > 6. Pietersen.
> > 7. Stein.
> > 8. Anderson.

> Amla, Kallis, de Villiers

I can't believe I forgot about Amla. I did consider Kallis and AB
though, but wasn't convinced they could waltz in on any team. But I
think I was wrong, both of them may fare better over Ponting
currently. However, the Ashes has some way to go, and I wouldn't count
the Punters out just yet. I also forgot about Gayle. How about it?
Would your team have him? I know mine would over anyone else.

I knew that I had made a mistake on picking Ponting on reputation
alone, and mentioned my doubts on the same post. However, as someone
has mentioned and I should have thought of it, Ponting's position
isn't as solid in his own team, and Aussies might opt for any of the
handfuls from the Indian, SAfrican and English teams to replace him
without a second glance, if offered right now.

Finally, the world is bereft of good bowlers (both pacers and quicks),
I think even Mitchell Johnson may find a spot on most teams (just not
all) right now. Even Muralitharan in his retired state might be able
to demand a spot on any team, 'even' Australia right now. How bad is
this. We need more bowlers and bowler friendly pitches.

aA...

 
 
 

Current players who can easily walk into any current team

Post by jzfredrick » Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:15:04


Quote:
> Yes, sadly, this is another useless list, I'm embarrassed. At least
> this may feature Tendulkar without looking silly. This list also does
> not have to contain 11 players, can go over or under depending on your
> views, as this is NOT another all time XI.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;orde...
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;span...
 
 
 

Current players who can easily walk into any current team

Post by krque » Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:42:53

Quote:


> > Yes, sadly, this is another useless list, I'm embarrassed. At least
> > this may feature Tendulkar without looking silly. This list also does
> > not have to contain 11 players, can go over or under depending on your
> > views, as this is NOT another all time XI.

> http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;orde...
> http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;span...

For those having problem opening those links above, here's a bit of
help courtesy of Tinyurl:

http://tinyurl.com/26slemq

http://tinyurl.com/25bvwt9

I don't think I'd agree with the current ranking based on the calendar
year averages as a true measurement who may easily walk in on any
current teams.
Swann, for instance, the number one ranked bowler on that list,
however, I don't think all current test teams are ready to roll out
red carpets to entice him just yet. He'll probably feature in the best
XI of the 2010 class maybe, but that doesn't guarantee a 'walk-in' on
any side.
Samaraweera, I wouldn't have him on my best XI of 2010 even with
apparently the best average, let alone a key to any side at will.
Sehwag, I feel is the only one that's a game changer (contention for a
place in the ATGs) of the current lot, even Tendulkar is not ranked so
highly in my book. Matter of fact, if I had to realistically pick a
current players XI to compete, I don't think Tendulkar or Kallis would
be sure opt ins.

aA...

 
 
 

Current players who can easily walk into any current team

Post by jzfredrick » Mon, 27 Dec 2010 19:51:17


Quote:
> For those having problem opening those links above, here's a bit of
> help courtesy of Tinyurl:

sorry, and thanks

Quote:
> I don't think I'd agree with the current ranking based on the calendar
> year averages as a true measurement who may easily walk in on any
> current teams.
> Swann, for instance, the number one ranked bowler on that list,
> however, I don't think all current test teams are ready to roll out
> red carpets to entice him just yet. He'll probably feature in the best
> XI of the 2010 class maybe, but that doesn't guarantee a 'walk-in' on
> any side.

I think he'd walk into these teams; Aus, SL, India, WI, SAf, Pak, NZ
and Bang.

Openers;
Sehwag would make any team. I think Cook would too.

#3;
Sanga, Amla and Trott look best. I think Sanga and Amla would replace
Trott, but it's a tough pick between Sanga and Amla. I'd say neither
win here.

#4;
SRT vs Kallis. No winner.

#5;
AB vs Laxman/Hussey. AB wins. I think Hussey would replace Laxman, but
not AB. AB wins.

#6;
Bell.

I like comparing positions when someone says "walk into any team",
otherwise it'd just be a "current best XI". Of course, this means SRT
and Kallis don't make the list, which is a tad crazy.

So I have two lists; Any Team in Regular Position and Make room for
em!


Make room for em! - Sehwag, Cook, AB, SRT, Kallis and one of Amla/
Sanga. I can't make my mind up.

/quicks ignore for now

 
 
 

Current players who can easily walk into any current team

Post by Andrew B » Mon, 27 Dec 2010 20:26:40


Quote:
> Yes, sadly, this is another useless list, I'm embarrassed. At least
> this may feature Tendulkar without looking silly. This list also does
> not have to contain 11 players, can go over or under depending on your
> views, as this is NOT another all time XI.

> This is what I have so far for the tests, and not necessarily in
> batting order:

> 1. Cook (this is my view, you can have yours).
> 2. Sehwag.
> 3. Tendulkar.
> 4. Ponting (I believe, if he is offered, you'll make room for him,
> just not for his captaincy. I would've opted for Hussey though, but
> this is how I'd expect the other teams to weigh-in.)
> 5. Sangakkara (I prefer Boucher the wicketkeeper by a mile, but I
> seriously doubt SL would allow Boucher to replace Sangakkara in their
> team. So, he's not a shoe-in for every side. This, I understand, may
> also be true for SA not opting for Sangakkara, but there's a chance
> they'll relent for the current number one test batsman with a
> fantastic average.)

In his 33 Tests in the last 4+ years, Sangakkara has only kept wicket
once, so it's not a case of him replacing Boucher.
 
 
 

Current players who can easily walk into any current team

Post by krque » Mon, 27 Dec 2010 23:13:01

Quote:


> > Yes, sadly, this is another useless list, I'm embarrassed. At least
> > this may feature Tendulkar without looking silly. This list also does
> > not have to contain 11 players, can go over or under depending on your
> > views, as this is NOT another all time XI.

> > This is what I have so far for the tests, and not necessarily in
> > batting order:

> > 1. Cook (this is my view, you can have yours).
> > 2. Sehwag.
> > 3. Tendulkar.
> > 4. Ponting (I believe, if he is offered, you'll make room for him,
> > just not for his captaincy. I would've opted for Hussey though, but
> > this is how I'd expect the other teams to weigh-in.)
> > 5. Sangakkara (I prefer Boucher the wicketkeeper by a mile, but I
> > seriously doubt SL would allow Boucher to replace Sangakkara in their
> > team. So, he's not a shoe-in for every side. This, I understand, may
> > also be true for SA not opting for Sangakkara, but there's a chance
> > they'll relent for the current number one test batsman with a
> > fantastic average.)

> In his 33 Tests in the last 4+ years, Sangakkara has only kept wicket
> once, so it's not a case of him replacing Boucher.

I know, I felt like an idiot (more than usual that is) as I was typing
that. Boucher is good enough, and I think he can demand a spot on any
team, as does Sangakkara purely as a batsman that he is.

One last thing I'd like to reiterate, these are not so much a personal
preference, but what I think is what the teams might reckon. For me, I
wouldn't pick Tendulkar. But to be honest, almost every team in the
world would consider that an asinine decision, I'd imagine.

aA...

 
 
 

Current players who can easily walk into any current team

Post by krque » Mon, 27 Dec 2010 23:34:01

Quote:


> > For those having problem opening those links above, here's a bit of
> > help courtesy of Tinyurl:

> sorry, and thanks

> > I don't think I'd agree with the current ranking based on the calendar
> > year averages as a true measurement who may easily walk in on any
> > current teams.
> > Swann, for instance, the number one ranked bowler on that list,
> > however, I don't think all current test teams are ready to roll out
> > red carpets to entice him just yet. He'll probably feature in the best
> > XI of the 2010 class maybe, but that doesn't guarantee a 'walk-in' on
> > any side.

> I think he'd walk into these teams; Aus, SL, India, WI, SAf, Pak, NZ
> and Bang.

You missed Zim. :o )

But I think he may not find a spot so easily in Bangladesh (and to
some extent Pakistan maybe). They don't lack all that much in the spin
department, it's the lack of quality pacer that's the issue. NZ too
isn't all that concerned about their spin options, at best Swann is
better than Vettorri on certain days, but Warne he is not. India
probably has deep reserve of quality spinners. It would appear that
they're just stuck with one of their best batsmen currently
masquerading as a bowler and that they are finding it difficult to
just drop him.

Quote:
> Openers;
> Sehwag would make any team. I think Cook would too.

Ordinarily yes, but Sehwag is slowly getting exposed when faced
against quality bowlers on conditions that are not so hostile towards
the bowlers for a ***y change. But yeah, he's still an easy walk in
so far.

Quote:
> #3;
> Sanga, Amla and Trott look best. I think Sanga and Amla would replace
> Trott, but it's a tough pick between Sanga and Amla. I'd say neither
> win here.

Since on this list, you are not restricted by numbers, I'd say both
are eligible.

Quote:
> #4;
> SRT vs Kallis. No winner.

Teams are prejudiced by Tendulkar's reputation and his consistent
stats that inspire (100 or 200 on useless chases), and so he's a go. I
wouldn't pick him for mine, but I don't count. Kallis is the same, and
the bloke consistently delivers somehow.

- Show quoted text -

Quote:
> #5;
> AB vs Laxman/Hussey. AB wins. I think Hussey would replace Laxman, but
> not AB. AB wins.

> #6;
> Bell.

> I like comparing positions when someone says "walk into any team",
> otherwise it'd just be a "current best XI". Of course, this means SRT
> and Kallis don't make the list, which is a tad crazy.

> So I have two lists; Any Team in Regular Position and Make room for
> em!


> Make room for em! - Sehwag, Cook, AB, SRT, Kallis and one of Amla/
> Sanga. I can't make my mind up.

> /quicks ignore for now

I think every team and their grandma not named SA need at least one
genuine strike bowler, and therefore I don't think spinners (Swann and
who not) may not be in a position to demand a spot in any team.

aA...

 
 
 

Current players who can easily walk into any current team

Post by jzfredrick » Mon, 27 Dec 2010 23:49:22


Quote:
> I think every team and their grandma not named SA need at least one
> genuine strike bowler, and therefore I don't think spinners (Swann and
> who not) may not be in a position to demand a spot in any team.

Most teams have a spinner most of the time. Which current team
wouldn't pick Swann?
 
 
 

Current players who can easily walk into any current team

Post by krque » Tue, 28 Dec 2010 00:03:53

Quote:


> > I think every team and their grandma not named SA need at least one
> > genuine strike bowler, and therefore I don't think spinners (Swann and
> > who not) may not be in a position to demand a spot in any team.

> Most teams have a spinner most of the time. Which current team
> wouldn't pick Swann?

Bangladesh and NZ. Even England may have entertained a thought or two
recently regarding his status. I'm only suggesting that Swann, unlike
Quadir, Warne, Muralitharan etc., is just not heads and shoulders
above his spinning peers.

aA...

 
 
 

Current players who can easily walk into any current team

Post by Mike Holman » Tue, 28 Dec 2010 02:05:07


tapped the keyboard and brought forth:

Quote:



>> > I think every team and their grandma not named SA need at least one
>> > genuine strike bowler, and therefore I don't think spinners (Swann and
>> > who not) may not be in a position to demand a spot in any team.

>> Most teams have a spinner most of the time. Which current team
>> wouldn't pick Swann?

>Bangladesh and NZ. Even England may have entertained a thought or two
>recently regarding his status.

The only thought that has entered their heads about his status is
whether he is better than Jim Laker.

Quote:
> I'm only suggesting that Swann, unlike
>Quadir, Warne, Muralitharan etc., is just not heads and shoulders
>above his spinning peers.

Really? On what do you base this opinion, unshared by any leading
cricketer who has played him in 2010?

Cheers,

Mike
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