Which non-Aussies would make it to an Aussie XI?

Which non-Aussies would make it to an Aussie XI?

Post by Mad Hami » Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:30:23




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>> Andy Flower might have pipped Gilchrist earlier but wouldn't displace
>> him now.

>He can still come in as a specialist batsman in the middle order in place of
>Mark Waugh, for instance.

He'd need to show a bit more against pace before I'd consider him for
that. His efforts in one day matches here didn't give me any
confidence about his batting against pace
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Which non-Aussies would make it to an Aussie XI?

Post by Crickete » Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:44:07

Here are the non-Aussie cricketers that I think would make it to an Aussie
XI:

Tests:
Waqar, Akram, Inzamam
Tendulkar, Dravid
Murali, Jayawardene
Kallis, Pollock
Cairns, Astle
A. Flower
Lara
Gough

ODIs:
Anwar, Inzamam, Youhana, Waqar, Akram, Akhtar, Razzak, Saqlain
Murali, Jayasuriya, Vaas, Jayawardene, Atapattu
Kallis, Pollock, Klusener, Rhodes, Ntini
Tendulkar, Ganguly, Bhajji
Knight, Trescothick, Gough
Cairns, Astle
Lara, Hooper

Obviously, the Aussies have a much stronger Test team than they have an ODI
team.  Looking at the above it also seems that barring a miracle the World
Cup semi-finals will be played between, Aus, Pak, SL, and SA.  India and NZ
the dark horses but just not as good as the other teams.

 
 
 

Which non-Aussies would make it to an Aussie XI?

Post by Crickete » Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:47:14

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> He'd need to show a bit more against pace before I'd consider him for
> that. His efforts in one day matches here didn't give me any
> confidence about his batting against pace

I didn't mean ODIs.  For Tests he is just too good to not be chosen.  He
could replace Ponting, M. Waugh, or Martyn.  BTW, he diod great against the
SA pace when they last went to Zim.

 
 
 

Which non-Aussies would make it to an Aussie XI?

Post by Crickete » Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:51:35

These names that are common to both of my lists:

Waqar, Akram, Inzamam
Kallis, Pollock
Murali, Jayawardene
Cairns, Astle
Tendulkar
Lara
Gough

That's quite a short list.  These people would make it to an Aussie Test or
ODI XI.

 
 
 

Which non-Aussies would make it to an Aussie XI?

Post by Matthew van de Werke » Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:40:08

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>> > Which non-Aussie current cricket players would make it to an Aussie XI
>> > for
>> > 1) Tests and 2) ODIs if they were to move to Australia?  Disregard
>> > non-cricketing factors for the purpose of this discussion.

>> Being a biased Aussie, I can't see too many players from elsewhere making
>> the current Australian team.

>> A team similar to the following would probably be as close to ideal at
>> the moment (tests, obviously):

>> Hayden
>> Langer
>> Ponting
>> Tendulkar
>> SRW (c)
>> Martyn
>> Gilchrist
>> Pollock
>> Gillespie
>> Muralitharan
>> McGrath

>> I've included Pollock because he can bat a bit, and would no doubt bowl
>> very well with the support at the other end he's been lacking recently.

>> Kallis is unlucky to not make this team, but personally I'd rather
>> Ponting at 3. Martyn and SRW are the most debatable, IMO.

>> Cheers,
>> MvdW

> aussies middle order is weak (test that is)...most teams could field a
> batsmen that could make this middle order. As for opening batsmen and
> the big 3 bowlers...they are pretty irresplaceable. Maybe murali or
> someone could take Lees place.

Interesting that you should say that the Aussie middle order is weak.
Here's the (test) career averages for the incumbent numbers 3 through 7:

45.51, 42.28, 50.00, 50.29, 60.00

The least number of matches for any of these players is 25, for Damien
Martyn (average 50.29). Clearly the "worst" player out of this lot is Mark
Waugh, with 42.28. Name me another side in the world who wouldn't take Mark
Waugh if he were available.

I guess that's the difference between this Australian side and any other
going around at the moment: the worst-performed batsman in the side would
probably make any other team in the world.

As to which of these guys is replaceable by anyone else, none of them is
the best in the world, so I guess it's fair to say that any of them could
be replaced. However, I don't see anyone other than MEW or possibly Ponting
being performing badly enough to be replaced. Personally, I wouldn't
replace Ponting, as his performance at #3 in the last 12 months is almost
without peer in the World, so that basically leaves MEW to be replaced by
Tendulkar.

As far as bowlers go, that's interestingly Australia's current weak point.
I'd probably replace BLee with Pollock and Warne with a fit Muralitharan.
Gillespie isn't quite performing up to potential lately, either, but I
really don't see anyone jumping out to take his spot in world cricket at
the moment.

Cheers,
MvdW

 
 
 

Which non-Aussies would make it to an Aussie XI?

Post by Mad Hami » Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:56:26



Quote:
>> He'd need to show a bit more against pace before I'd consider him for
>> that. His efforts in one day matches here didn't give me any
>> confidence about his batting against pace

>I didn't mean ODIs.  For Tests he is just too good to not be chosen.  He
>could replace Ponting, M. Waugh, or Martyn.  BTW, he diod great against the
>SA pace when they last went to Zim.

He had a great series then. His overall perfomance against decent pace
attacks is uninspiring and he wasn't getting out to pace bowlers in
the one dayers I saw by playing ludicrous shots, it was normal looking
batting.

I'd need to see him do better against pace bowling before I'd consider
him.
--
"Hope is replaced by fear and dreams by survival, most of us get by."
Stuart Adamson 1958-2001

Mad Hamish
Hamish Laws

 
 
 

Which non-Aussies would make it to an Aussie XI?

Post by Mad Hami » Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:59:25



Quote:
>Here are the non-Aussie cricketers that I think would make it to an Aussie
>XI:

>Tests:
>Waqar, Akram,

not at this stage of their careers.

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> Inzamam

not clearly better at batting than anybody in the Australian lineup, y
worse in the field and would stuff up the running.

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>Tendulkar,

not a question.

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>Dravid

possible.

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>Murali, Jayawardene

Muralidharan yep, not as sure about Jayawardene yet as he hasn't shown
much outside Sri Lanka yet...

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>Kallis, Pollock

yep.

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>Cairns, Astle

Cairns possibly, Astle no.

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>A. Flower

I'm still suspicious of him against pace.

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>Lara

yep.

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>Gough

possibly.
--
"Hope is replaced by fear and dreams by survival, most of us get by."
Stuart Adamson 1958-2001

Mad Hamish
Hamish Laws

 
 
 

Which non-Aussies would make it to an Aussie XI?

Post by CricketConnoisse » Tue, 23 Apr 2002 02:11:51

Quote:



> >Which non-Aussie current cricket players would make it to an Aussie XI for
> >1) Tests and 2) ODIs if they were to move to Australia?  Disregard
> >non-cricketing factors for the purpose of this discussion.

> it depends on a few things.

> Tendulkar obviously would, so would Lara. I'd consider a few other
> middle order batsmen around (Thorpe, Jayawardene & Kallis for a start)
> to be chances to displace Mark Waugh.

> Andy Flower might have pipped Gilchrist earlier but wouldn't displace
> him now.

> I'd have Pollock in the team ahead of Lee and, under most conditions,
> I'd now have Muralidharan in the team ahead of Warne.

> I'd consider Cairns, Caddick or Gough for pace spots as well.

> If I was picking a team based on that then it'd probably be something
> like

> Hayden
> Langer
> Martyn
> Lara
> Tendulkar
> S.Waugh
> Gilchrist
> Pollock
> Gillespie
> McGrath
> Muralidharan

I might just include Kallis in place of Martyn. Otherwise would agree with the rest.

Regards,

CC

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> I wouldn't have quite the same lineup for a World team because here
> I'm assuming that a replacement player has to be a fair  better than
> the Australian that they're replacing as the Aussies are established.

 
 
 

Which non-Aussies would make it to an Aussie XI?

Post by sude » Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:00:50


Quote:




> >> > Which non-Aussie current cricket players would make it to an Aussie XI
> >> > for
> >> > 1) Tests and 2) ODIs if they were to move to Australia?  Disregard
> >> > non-cricketing factors for the purpose of this discussion.

> >> Being a biased Aussie, I can't see too many players from elsewhere making
> >> the current Australian team.

> >> A team similar to the following would probably be as close to ideal at
> >> the moment (tests, obviously):

> >> Hayden
> >> Langer
> >> Ponting
> >> Tendulkar
> >> SRW (c)
> >> Martyn
> >> Gilchrist
> >> Pollock
> >> Gillespie
> >> Muralitharan
> >> McGrath

> >> I've included Pollock because he can bat a bit, and would no doubt bowl
> >> very well with the support at the other end he's been lacking recently.

> >> Kallis is unlucky to not make this team, but personally I'd rather
> >> Ponting at 3. Martyn and SRW are the most debatable, IMO.

> >> Cheers,
> >> MvdW

> > aussies middle order is weak (test that is)...most teams could field a
> > batsmen that could make this middle order. As for opening batsmen and
> > the big 3 bowlers...they are pretty irresplaceable. Maybe murali or
> > someone could take Lees place.

> Interesting that you should say that the Aussie middle order is weak.
> Here's the (test) career averages for the incumbent numbers 3 through 7:

> 45.51, 42.28, 50.00, 50.29, 60.00

> The least number of matches for any of these players is 25, for Damien
> Martyn (average 50.29). Clearly the "worst" player out of this lot is Mark
> Waugh, with 42.28. Name me another side in the world who wouldn't take Mark
> Waugh if he were available.

> I guess that's the difference between this Australian side and any other
> going around at the moment: the worst-performed batsman in the side would
> probably make any other team in the world.

TRUE...but thats not what were talking about. The initial question was
which NON AUSSIES would make the aussie team. While those averages are
pretty awesome...id really like to see some of the Lankan middle order
averages (keep in mind were not taking conditions/opposition etc into
account)...guys like Sangarakka have been hitting double centuries
havent they? (i could be wrong).Even the most ardent aussie fan would
find it hard to say they WOULDNT want Lara and Tendulkar in that
middle order. I think even a fit Cairns would feel at home there.

But youre right...the team is so strong that those who you think are
weak...are pretty ***y strong.

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> As to which of these guys is replaceable by anyone else, none of them is
> the best in the world, so I guess it's fair to say that any of them could
> be replaced. However, I don't see anyone other than MEW or possibly Ponting
> being performing badly enough to be replaced. Personally, I wouldn't
> replace Ponting, as his performance at #3 in the last 12 months is almost
> without peer in the World, so that basically leaves MEW to be replaced by
> Tendulkar.

> As far as bowlers go, that's interestingly Australia's current weak point.
> I'd probably replace BLee with Pollock and Warne with a fit Muralitharan.
> Gillespie isn't quite performing up to potential lately, either, but I
> really don't see anyone jumping out to take his spot in world cricket at
> the moment.

> Cheers,
> MvdW

 
 
 

Which non-Aussies would make it to an Aussie XI?

Post by Ken Higg » Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:50:18


Quote:




> >> > Which non-Aussie current cricket players would make it to an Aussie XI
> >> > for
> >> > 1) Tests and 2) ODIs if they were to move to Australia?  Disregard
> >> > non-cricketing factors for the purpose of this discussion.

> >> Being a biased Aussie, I can't see too many players from elsewhere making
> >> the current Australian team.

> >> A team similar to the following would probably be as close to ideal at
> >> the moment (tests, obviously):

> >> Hayden
> >> Langer
> >> Ponting
> >> Tendulkar
> >> SRW (c)
> >> Martyn
> >> Gilchrist
> >> Pollock
> >> Gillespie
> >> Muralitharan
> >> McGrath

> >> I've included Pollock because he can bat a bit, and would no doubt bowl
> >> very well with the support at the other end he's been lacking recently.

> >> Kallis is unlucky to not make this team, but personally I'd rather
> >> Ponting at 3. Martyn and SRW are the most debatable, IMO.

> >> Cheers,
> >> MvdW

> > aussies middle order is weak (test that is)...most teams could field a
> > batsmen that could make this middle order. As for opening batsmen and
> > the big 3 bowlers...they are pretty irresplaceable. Maybe murali or
> > someone could take Lees place.

> Interesting that you should say that the Aussie middle order is weak.
> Here's the (test) career averages for the incumbent numbers 3 through 7:

> 45.51, 42.28, 50.00, 50.29, 60.00

> The least number of matches for any of these players is 25, for Damien
> Martyn (average 50.29). Clearly the "worst" player out of this lot is Mark
> Waugh, with 42.28. Name me another side in the world who wouldn't take Mark
> Waugh if he were available.

I don't think that's the point.
The point is which players from another team would you take for Australia?
If Don Bradman happened to be playing for BDesh just now, I'm quite sure that if
you asked BDesh if they'd like MWaugh, they'd take him. But that doesn't mean
that Australia wouldn't take Bradman.

Ignoring the fact that Bradman is
a) dead
b) actually played for Australia
c) you can't just export another player to another team like that

(I have to put these qualifiers in, Col is on the prowl and keen to take me up
on any percieved error)

Higgsy

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