Drop outs from the Pakistaan team and Imran Khan

Drop outs from the Pakistaan team and Imran Khan

Post by Sohban Shah » Thu, 03 Feb 1994 13:38:25


Over a period of couple months many rscians, especially from Pakistan,
has requested me to list the name of cricketers that I feel were
kicked out by Imran Khan when they were either fit for the game or
were on merit.  I have a case that Imran and his first cousins are
rascist and they are involved in dirty politics.   I have said this
thing many times so I will not go in detail.   Below is the list of
all the players who were/are from Karachi (no ethnicity is disclosed
here for the simplicity) or Lahore and were kicked out of the Pakistan
team for some strange reasons.  The author accepts that in few cases
players were losing their touch and were about to conclude their
careers.   I will leave this thing upto you to decide who deserved
a royal kick from our legendry Imran and his first cousins (former
or current members of the Selection Committee or Chairman of the
Committee).

Karachi/Sindh candidates:
-------------------------
Mohsin Hassan Khan, Shoaib Mohammed, Rizwan-uz-Zaman, Javed Miandad,
Qasim Omar, Younus Ahmed, Asif Mujtaba, Mansoor Akhtar (Imrans choice),
Saeed Anwar, Tasleem Arif, Anil Dilput, Saleem Yousuf, Iqbal Qasim,
Tauseef Ahmed, Ejaz Faqih, Salim Jaffer, Azeem Hafiz.

Lahore/Punjab candidates:
-------------------------
Majid Jahangir Khan, Salim Malik, Abdul Qadir, Azmat Rana, Aamir Malik.

Please feel free to add few more in the list above, especially in the
Lahore team as it is very weak at this point in time.

If I am not wrong we can make a good national team out of Karachi
drop outs, isn't it true?   This theory holds lot of water but only if
you care.   It's a mere coincidence that most of the candidates from
Karachi/Sindh were/are top order batsmen.  I wonder what kind of expertise
Imran and his bros have in this particular area ?  What big landmarks they
hold in the batting department?   Spin bowling department: do Imran really
know about spin bowling?
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Drop outs from the Pakistaan team and Imran Khan

Post by Syed M. A » Thu, 03 Feb 1994 19:35:38

Quote:

> Karachi/Sindh candidates:
> -------------------------
> Mohsin Hassan Khan, Shoaib Mohammed, Rizwan-uz-Zaman, Javed Miandad,

  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

        Give me a break....Rizwan didn't deserve to be in the team in the
first place.  And, if you would put a *little* more pressure on your memory
you'll come to remember who replaced an out of form Mohsin Khan.  As for
Miandad.....well, I cant convince you, so what's the point :-))

Quote:
> Qasim Omar, Younus Ahmed, Asif Mujtaba, Mansoor Akhtar (Imrans choice),

        Uptill now you have been shouting at the top of your voice that
Imran exercises control over the selection committee....so pray tell me
what's Asif Mujtaba doing in the team as the V.C.

        If Mansoor Akhtar hadn't been selected in the first place, you
would have been moaning now that Imran deprived a player whom Rohan
Kanahi and Clive Lloyd had described as an excellent bat, just because
he happened to be a *KARACHIITE*.....you want to win both ways, don't
you?

Quote:
> Saeed Anwar, Tasleem Arif, Anil Dilput, Saleem Yousuf, Iqbal Qasim,
> Tauseef Ahmed, Ejaz Faqih, Salim Jaffer, Azeem Hafiz.

        Saeed Anwar is still in the team, and as for others could you tell me
who should have been kicked out to make place for even one of them.  They
got to play whenever they were needed.  Are you trying to tell me that Wasim
Akram, Waqar Younus, Ata-ur-Rehman, and Amir Nazir are in the team simply
because they happen to be Punjabis, and Jaffer and Azim Hafeez are out because
they are Karachiites.

Quote:
> Lahore/Punjab candidates:
> -------------------------
> Majid Jahangir Khan, Salim Malik, Abdul Qadir, Azmat Rana, Aamir Malik.

        Yeah sure...Imran has so much say over the selection of the team that
he got his *closest friend* to be the captain of the pakistani team :-))

        BTW, how many players do you want to be in the team at one time.  Tell
me which players from the above list, apart from Qasim Umar, deserved to be in
the playing eleven when they were dropped.  Iqbal Qasim and Tauseef were
certainly competent and eligible and they *did* remain in the team for a
while, but there was no place in the playing eleven.

Quote:

> If I am not wrong we can make a good national team out of Karachi
> drop outs, isn't it true?   This theory holds lot of water but only if
> you care.   It's a mere coincidence that most of the candidates from
> Karachi/Sindh were/are top order batsmen.  I wonder what kind of expertise
> Imran and his bros have in this particular area ?  What big landmarks they
> hold in the batting department?   Spin bowling department: do Imran really

        First, every one acknowledges Imran *and* Majid Khan as world class
batsmen.  Secondly, if you insist on telling us that Imran and "his bros" are
so much in league to get rid of all the Karachi players, why would he kick out
his own "first cousin" out of the team, who most of us relaize was at the fag
end of his career?

Quote:
> know about spin bowling?

        I'm sure, having played Intn'l cricket for 20 years, he does know more
about cricket than most rsc-nettors :-))

Quote:
> SOHBAN SHAHID                

Syed
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                              Conway's Law:
                              -------------
        In any organization there will always be one person who knows
        what is going on.                  This person must be fired.

 
 
 

Drop outs from the Pakistaan team and Imran Khan

Post by Spaceman Spif » Fri, 04 Feb 1994 17:36:21


(Sohban Shahid) says:
Quote:

>   This must be the real load on this ng.  Imran as world class
>batsmen ....... poo, he is not even near to his neighbour buddy,

[not getting involved in this argument.. just an interjection]
well, if imran was not a world-class batsman, he sure gave a good impersonation
of one by averaging over 50 in his last 30-odd tests.
[now, back to your regularly scheduled discussion...]

Stay cool,
Spaceman Spiff

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Dawn is breaking everywhere.
Light a candle, curse the glare.
Draw the curtains, I don't care 'cause
It's all right.

 
 
 

Drop outs from the Pakistaan team and Imran Khan

Post by Salman Azh » Fri, 04 Feb 1994 23:42:17

Quote:

>   You go by numbers, right!  You mind checking Rizwan's domestic
>record for me please when he was in an out of Pakistan team.  FYI,
>he was the leading scorer in the domestic cricket.  

           If you were to go by domestic season, the greatest injustice
was done with Shafiq Papa, who is more Punjabi than Mustard green with
corn roti. :)  There is a term for retaining players at test level
based on their domestic records: Hicking. :)

           Sohban your slip is really showing now!  Please set aside this
Karachi obsession and follow Pakistan's cricket.

           DS[Q]A

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has accentuated the intellectual, moral, and spiritual degradation of
the literate masses"               ------- D. Salman Azhar

 
 
 

Drop outs from the Pakistaan team and Imran Khan

Post by sha.. » Sat, 05 Feb 1994 00:19:38

Quote:

>Over a period of couple months many rscians, especially from Pakistan,
>has requested me to list the name of cricketers that I feel were
>kicked out by Imran Khan when they were either fit for the game or
>were on merit.  I have a case that Imran and his first cousins are
>rascist and they are involved in dirty politics.   I have said this
>thing many times so I will not go in detail.   Below is the list of
>all the players who were/are from Karachi (no ethnicity is disclosed
>here for the simplicity) or Lahore and were kicked out of the Pakistan
>team for some strange reasons.  The author accepts that in few cases
>players were losing their touch and were about to conclude their
>careers.   I will leave this thing upto you to decide who deserved
>a royal kick from our legendry Imran and his first cousins (former
>or current members of the Selection Committee or Chairman of the
>Committee).

>Karachi/Sindh candidates:
>-------------------------
>Mohsin Hassan Khan, Shoaib Mohammed,

 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^    
        He had clearly lost his nerves while playing West Indies in
        1986-87

Quote:
>Rizwan-uz-Zaman, Javed Miandad,

 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
        The less said about him. The better it is for us.

Quote:
>Qasim Omar, Younus Ahmed, Asif Mujtaba, Mansoor Akhtar (Imrans choice),

             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
        I thought that these guys were from Lahore. Anyone care
        to enlighten us.

Quote:
>Saeed Anwar, Tasleem Arif, Anil Dilput, Saleem Yousuf, Iqbal Qasim,
>Tauseef Ahmed, Ejaz Faqih, Salim Jaffer, Azeem Hafiz.

>Lahore/Punjab candidates:
>-------------------------
>Majid Jahangir Khan, Salim Malik, Abdul Qadir, Azmat Rana, Aamir Malik.

        How about Manzoor Elahi, Naveed Anjum, Ejaz Ahmed, Masood Anwar
        Shahid Saeed, Zahid Fazal, Rameez Raja, Mohsin Kamal, and many
        many more.

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Quote:

>Please feel free to add few more in the list above, especially in the
>Lahore team as it is very weak at this point in time.

>If I am not wrong we can make a good national team out of Karachi
>drop outs, isn't it true?   This theory holds lot of water but only if
>you care.   It's a mere coincidence that most of the candidates from
>Karachi/Sindh were/are top order batsmen.  I wonder what kind of expertise
>Imran and his bros have in this particular area ?  What big landmarks they
>hold in the batting department?   Spin bowling department: do Imran really
>know about spin bowling?
>--
>*********************************************************************
>SOHBAN SHAHID                
>Civil Engrg. Dept.               (303) 491 7710/8204 (work)
>Colorado State University        (303) 491 0890      (home)
>Ft. Collins, CO-80523
>*********************************************************************

        Sohban, you are making judgements bordering on paranoia. For
        the length of time that Imran Khan was captain, is it not
        obvious that players would be selected and dropped in great
        handfuls, especially taking into consideration Imran's liking of
        young untested players. Many of the names you mentioned actually
        have or did regain their place on the Pakistan side on merit with
        the honourable exception of Qasim Omar. So I think calling these
        players, dropouts of Imran "The Punjabi King" (Someone on rsc
        quoted this) Khan is unfair. It is my opinion that every person
        has a politician in them. Why should Imran be different?

Shariq

 
 
 

Drop outs from the Pakistaan team and Imran Khan

Post by Salman Azh » Mon, 07 Feb 1994 06:33:52

Quote:

>Younus Ahmed is the younger brother of Pakistan's former test player
>Saeed Ahmed ("Dudda"). Younus played for Pakistan Railways a few
>times, Youngsters Cricket Club in Lahore, and later county cricket in
>England for a number of years. He had ambitions to play for England
>which never quite materialised. I believe he toured SA also.
>Younus is as much a Punjabi as one can be.
>Shamim

           Now, over to Sohban, as they say in "drug-free-america"
commercials: Any Questions? :)

           DS[Q]A

--

        "Innate charlatanism coupled with general dogmatic ignorance
has accentuated the intellectual, moral, and spiritual degradation of
the literate masses"               ------- D. Salman Azhar

 
 
 

Drop outs from the Pakistaan team and Imran Khan

Post by Ranbhise, Dinesh » Mon, 07 Feb 1994 01:02:00

Quote:


>>Younus Ahmed is the younger brother of Pakistan's former test player
>>Saeed Ahmed ("Dudda"). Younus played for Pakistan Railways a few
>>times, Youngsters Cricket Club in Lahore, and later county cricket in
>>England for a number of years. He had ambitions to play for England
>>which never quite materialised. I believe he toured SA also.

>>Younus is as much a Punjabi as one can be.

>>Shamim

>       Now, over to Sohban, as they say in "drug-free-america"
>commercials: Any Questions? :)

>       DS[Q]A

>--

>    "Innate charlatanism coupled with general dogmatic ignorance
>has accentuated the intellectual, moral, and spiritual degradation of
>the literate masses"           ------- D. Salman Azhar

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BEFORE THE PARTITION SAEED AHMED USED TO PLAY FOR KATHIAWAR(SAURASTRA).
HE WAS UNLUCKY NOT TO TOUR ENGLAND IN 1946 AS A MEMBER OF INDIAN TEAM.

dinesh