The best against the best: specialist teams for batting and bowling

The best against the best: specialist teams for batting and bowling

Post by Anonymou » Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:29:20


I think teams should be allowed to select their best batsmen for batting and
their best bowlers/fielders for bowling.  That would allow more batsmen and
bowlers to play for their teams and it will make the issue of "there is no
room in the Indian batting line-up for..." or "there is no room for another
Aussie bowler..." almost non-existent.

Since ODIs are the more experimental of the two main versions of the game
let's experiment there first.

1.  Each team should be able to select its best 11 batsmen.
2.  Each team should also be able to select its 11 best bowlers and
fielders.
3.  A bowler should be able to bowl up to 20 overs in a 40 overs per side
game.
4.  Since each side only has to bowl 40 overs it can take their time to set
the best field rather than have to rush the over-rate with part-time slow
bowlers.

Some players might figure in both teams.  There will be room for specialist
batsmen, bowlers, fielders and wicketkeepers.  The best batsmen will have to
face the best bowlers (and bowling) supported by the best fielders.  That
would make the game more a test of true ability, reduce the impact of
selection foibles on some potentially bright careers, and create more
intensity and e***ment in the game.  Only the mightily gifted will be
considered true all-rounders.  People like Kallis and Flintoff might make it
to both teams but most so-called all-rounders would not.

If my idea were to be adopted, Bevan could still be bat for Australia.
Heck, they could even leave the Waughs in there if they wanted.  Dravid
wouldn't have to keep wickets.  Agarkar could still be in the team and get
an over or so to see if he should be given more bowling.  Ganguly or Nehra
wouldn't have to field.  Kaif could field no matter what.  You wouldn't have
to choose between Kumble or Harbhajan.  You'd have the best players doing
their best in what is the best position for them.  Now that would be a true
test of playing ability.

 
 
 

The best against the best: specialist teams for batting and bowling

Post by Cicer » Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:01:14


Quote:
> I think teams should be allowed to select their best batsmen for batting
and
> their best bowlers/fielders for bowling.  That would allow more batsmen
and
> bowlers to play for their teams and it will make the issue of "there is no
> room in the Indian batting line-up for..." or "there is no room for
another
> Aussie bowler..." almost non-existent.

> Since ODIs are the more experimental of the two main versions of the game
> let's experiment there first.

> 1.  Each team should be able to select its best 11 batsmen.
> 2.  Each team should also be able to select its 11 best bowlers and
> fielders.
> 3.  A bowler should be able to bowl up to 20 overs in a 40 overs per side
> game.
> 4.  Since each side only has to bowl 40 overs it can take their time to
set
> the best field rather than have to rush the over-rate with part-time slow
> bowlers.

> Some players might figure in both teams.  There will be room for
specialist
> batsmen, bowlers, fielders and wicketkeepers.  The best batsmen will have
to
> face the best bowlers (and bowling) supported by the best fielders.  That
> would make the game more a test of true ability, reduce the impact of
> selection foibles on some potentially bright careers, and create more
> intensity and e***ment in the game.  Only the mightily gifted will be
> considered true all-rounders.  People like Kallis and Flintoff might make
it
> to both teams but most so-called all-rounders would not.

> If my idea were to be adopted, Bevan could still be bat for Australia.
> Heck, they could even leave the Waughs in there if they wanted.  Dravid
> wouldn't have to keep wickets.  Agarkar could still be in the team and get
> an over or so to see if he should be given more bowling.  Ganguly or Nehra
> wouldn't have to field.  Kaif could field no matter what.  You wouldn't
have
> to choose between Kumble or Harbhajan.  You'd have the best players doing
> their best in what is the best position for them.  Now that would be a
true
> test of playing ability.

Perhaps if these players had decent talent they could be selected within the
rules of the game as they now stand, rather than making flexible rules to
include marginal players.

 
 
 

The best against the best: specialist teams for batting and bowling

Post by Anonymou » Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:25:47

Quote:
> Perhaps if these players had decent talent they could be selected within
the
> rules of the game as they now stand, rather than making flexible rules to
> include marginal players.

Is Bevan is a marginal player?  Were Lehmann and Symonds (who didn't get in
the Test sides for a long time) marginal players?  Should people be deprived
of watching Lee just because Kaspar is doing ok now?  Should Yuvraj stay out
of Tests just because Ganguly is captain?  Should younger players, like many
in Aus., miss out on international opportunities just because the seniors
are well established (but not necessarily better than they are)?  Are
Kumble/Harbhajan marginal players?  One of them usually has to sit out in
ODIs.  Perhaps, some reconsideration is called for.  The point is to field
the best batsmen against the best bowlers and fielders and then see how they
stack up.  That's real competition!

 
 
 

The best against the best: specialist teams for batting and bowling

Post by Cicer » Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:45:17


Quote:
> > Perhaps if these players had decent talent they could be selected within
> the
> > rules of the game as they now stand, rather than making flexible rules
to
> > include marginal players.

> Is Bevan is a marginal player?  Were Lehmann and Symonds (who didn't get
in
> the Test sides for a long time) marginal players?  Should people be
deprived
> of watching Lee just because Kaspar is doing ok now?  Should Yuvraj stay
out
> of Tests just because Ganguly is captain?  Should younger players, like
many
> in Aus., miss out on international opportunities just because the seniors
> are well established (but not necessarily better than they are)?  Are
> Kumble/Harbhajan marginal players?  One of them usually has to sit out in
> ODIs.  Perhaps, some reconsideration is called for.  The point is to field
> the best batsmen against the best bowlers and fielders and then see how
they
> stack up.  That's real competition!

Bevan is no longer a marginal player. He is not contracted.

And the answer to your question.

Yes.

 
 
 

The best against the best: specialist teams for batting and bowling

Post by Gary Willia » Fri, 16 Jul 2004 00:02:40

Quote:

> I think teams should be allowed to select their best batsmen for batting and
> their best bowlers/fielders for bowling.

Oh, God, no!!  Not the Designated Hitter!

Gary Williams

 
 
 

The best against the best: specialist teams for batting and bowling

Post by Vig » Fri, 16 Jul 2004 01:14:33


Quote:
> I think teams should be allowed to select their best batsmen for batting
and
> their best bowlers/fielders for bowling.  That would allow more batsmen
and
> bowlers to play for their teams and it will make the issue of "there is no
> room in the Indian batting line-up for..." or "there is no room for
another
> Aussie bowler..." almost non-existent.

Then on the basis of your argument, we could have 9 specialist fielders and
bowlers come and go and stay fresh.. No..that does not sound right...

Any sport is a test of how well you play the game by its rules...Part of
cricket is staying out there for 8 hrs... Otherwise cricket will become like
Baseball or American football where there are squads of 40 people for a game
played with 11 men on the field...Why do you think Football has a
restriction on the number of substitutions? Because teams will score a goal
and switch to 11 defenders...esp teams like Greece...

I think cricket is not about best batsman v. best bowler...its best 11
players against best 11 players...the batsmen make up for the bowlers'
shortcomings and vice versa...

thats MHO
-Vig

 
 
 

The best against the best: specialist teams for batting and bowling

Post by Yuk Tan » Fri, 16 Jul 2004 06:31:22



Quote:

> I think cricket is not about best batsman v. best bowler...its
> best 11 players against best 11 players...the batsmen make up for
> the bowlers' shortcomings and vice versa...

One of the great delights of being an England fan during the 1990s was
watching Devon Malcolm and Phil Tufnell bat.  Such v Hughes, Old
Trafford 1993 is another fond memory.

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Cheers, ymt.