Aus team for 4th test, possible WI team

Aus team for 4th test, possible WI team

Post by Blind Boy Gru » Wed, 20 Jan 1993 09:46:09


The Australian team for the 4th Test beginning on Jan 23 in Adelaide is:

Boon, Taylor, M.Waugh, Martyn, S.Waugh, Border, Dodemaide, Healy, Hughes,
Warne, McDermott, May (probable 12th).

The batting order, is of course my own. Dodemaide and May have replaced the
injured Whitney and Matthews. Personally, I find May's selection
surprising. He has had mixed form in the OD games, but more relevant, he
has not taken a large haul of wickets in a first class match for several
seasons, I think. Also it seems obvious that Warne will play in Adelaide and
I can't believe that Australia will play 2 spinners on the Adelaide Oval.
It is a mystifying selection!

I would have selected Reiffel and Jo Angel ahead of Dodemaide and May.
Adelaide is usually more receptive to seam bowlers than swing bowlers
and that is my justification, along with the virtues of youth.

The West Indies team will also be very interesting. I feel sure that they
will revert to playing 4 fast bowlers in this test, since they are most
comfortable with this line-up and because they must win in order to win the
series. It seems clear to me that Patterson will return for the 4th test,
he's been smouldering on the sidelines long enough now, and neither
Benjamin or Cummins offer the fire power to warrant playing the extra
bowler.

This of course means that they must drop one batsmen from the 3rd Test, but
I'd speculate that they will probably drop two in order to make way for the
re-inclusion of Gus Logie, who I believe can add the stability they need in
their middle order batting. The candidates to be axed are: Simmons, Haynes,
and Hooper. Simmons really should go. He has failed in all but 2(?) of the
international matches and just doesn't seem suited to opening in test
cricket. Although I applaud his approach to cricket I think he is more
likely to succeed down the order, and should be dropped at this stage.
On form, Haynes should also be dropped, but he has such a good record it is
of course worth counting on his imminent return to form. Therefore, Hooper
must also go. They will miss his spin bowling, but after all Adams can roll
his arm over. Incidentally, Hooper's bowling, which was so good in the
First Test, was quite poor in the latter tests. Much of this could be
attributed to the terrible "Viv Richards" like field placings that were set
for him. Although I am impressed with Richie Richardson's leadership in
many ways, his captaincy in the last 2 tests was enigmatic.

If Simmons is dropped, this means that Richardson must open, a regrettable
option but one that must be taken if the Windies are to get off to some
solid starts, and it will highlight the selectors' folly in not bringing
another regular opener. Junior Murray should retain his place, though he
also missed a straight forward stumping in Sydney, but he'll be
comfortable against the all pace attack.

So the West Indian team would be:

Haynes, Richardson, Lara, Arthurton, Logie, Adams, Murray, Bishop, Ambrose,
Walsh, Patterson, Hooper (12th).

This will be another close match, but I believe it is likely to be either a
West Indian win or a draw.

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Aus team for 4th test, possible WI team

Post by Rakesh DES » Wed, 20 Jan 1993 14:15:21


Quote:
> The Australian team for the 4th Test beginning on Jan 23 in Adelaide is:

> Boon, Taylor, M.Waugh, Martyn, S.Waugh, Border, Dodemaide, Healy, Hughes,
> Warne, McDermott, May (probable 12th).

> The batting order, is of course my own. Dodemaide and May have replaced the

I agree with the batting order but after S Waugh's century at sydney he
will still remain at 3.

[Some stuff deleted.]

Quote:

> I would have selected Reiffel and Jo Angel ahead of Dodemaide and May.

Who is the left armer from WA Julian or Angel?   I would have thought
after Whitney's exit this WA left arm pace bowler will get chance.

Quote:
> Adelaide is usually more receptive to seam bowlers than swing bowlers
> and that is my justification, along with the virtues of youth.

I thought adelaide was not receptive to any bowlers :-}.  I won't be
surprised  if Sydney scores will be repeated.  

Quote:
> series. It seems clear to me that Patterson will return for the 4th test,

I also think Patterson will come back.  Why do ABC commentators call him
Rambo?

Quote:
> re-inclusion of Gus Logie, who I believe can add the stability they need in
> their middle order batting. The candidates to be axed are: Simmons, Haynes,
> and Hooper. Simmons really should go. He has failed in all but 2(?) of the
> international matches and just doesn't seem suited to opening in test

You are right Simmons and Hooper should go.  I don't think they will
take such drastic step with Haynes.

Quote:
> for him. Although I am impressed with Richie Richardson's leadership in
> many ways, his captaincy in the last 2 tests was enigmatic.

Very imaginative captaincy.  Compared to his captaicy, Border's
captaincy looked old and stale - same old approach - especially
yesterday in WSC 2nd final. Everyone thought he will bring in Mathews or
himself after both bowled reasonalbly well in sydney, but when game was
already lost he brought Mathews.

Quote:
> If Simmons is dropped, this means that Richardson must open, a regrettable

I guess Lara can open.  This guy can bat at any place, he is so good.

Quote:
> So the West Indian team would be:
> Haynes, Richardson, Lara, Arthurton, Logie, Adams, Murray, Bishop, Ambrose,
> Walsh, Patterson, Hooper (12th).

Sounds good.

Quote:
> This will be another close match, but I believe it is likely to be either a
> West Indian win or a draw.

I would bet on a dull draw with another 20 wickets for 1200 runs.

rakesh
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*   Rakesh Desai, Mech & Manf Eng, Uni of Melbourne, Parkville,Vic 3052*

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Aus team for 4th test, possible WI team

Post by G Ber » Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:15:55

Quote:


>I agree with the batting order but after S Waugh's century at sydney he
>will still remain at 3.

Yes, you are probably right. Though many other people are suggesting that
Mark Waugh should bat at no3.

Quote:
>Who is the left armer from WA Julian or Angel?   I would have thought
>after Whitney's exit this WA left arm pace bowler will get chance.

Julien is the left hander and both are tall (approx 200cm), but Julien
relies more in movement in the air, whilst Angel off the seam.

Quote:
>I thought adelaide was not receptive to any bowlers :-}.  I won't be
>surprised  if Sydney scores will be repeated.  

Last year there was a result in Adelaide and there was definitely more
bounce. I haven't seen it this year but I'd expect it to be more helpful
for pace bowlers than the recent Sydney pitch, but it will of course
still be a good pitch to bat on.

Quote:
>I also think Patterson will come back.  Why do ABC commentators call him
>Rambo?

I don't know, perhaps because he's mean and ugly? :-)

Quote:
>You are right Simmons and Hooper should go.  I don't think they will
>take such drastic step with Haynes.
>Very imaginative captaincy.  Compared to his captaicy, Border's
>captaincy looked old and stale - same old approach - especially
>yesterday in WSC 2nd final. Everyone thought he will bring in Mathews or
>himself after both bowled reasonalbly well in sydney, but when game was
>already lost he brought Mathews.

I don't know about the OD games, I rarely watch much of them. I did think
that Border's captaincy in the 2nd Test was very good and that Richardson
had relatively poor matches in Melbourne and Sydney (as a captain) after
a very good start in Brisbane.

Quote:
>I guess Lara can open.  This guy can bat at any place, he is so good.

I guess he could, but I'd say Richardson would be the man in test matches.

Quote:
>> So the West Indian team would be:
>> Haynes, Richardson, Lara, Arthurton, Logie, Adams, Murray, Bishop, Ambrose,
>> Walsh, Patterson, Hooper (12th).
>Sounds good.
>> This will be another close match, but I believe it is likely to be either a
>> West Indian win or a draw.
>I would bet on a dull draw with another 20 wickets for 1200 runs.

Hey, don't be so pessimistic! :-) I'm expecting a great match.

 
 
 

Aus team for 4th test, possible WI team

Post by Robert E » Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:36:36


| I agree with the batting order but after S Waugh's century at sydney he
| will still remain at 3.

Almost certain.

| Who is the left armer from WA Julian or Angel?   I would have thought
| after Whitney's exit this WA left arm pace bowler will get chance.

Same here, I agree with Dodemaide for the one day games, but I doubt
he'll be very effective in the tests, though he is a fair bat.

| I thought adelaide was not receptive to any bowlers :-}.  I won't be
| surprised  if Sydney scores will be repeated.  

I will, Adelaide is usually good to bat on, but it is possible to
get wickets as well.

| > for him. Although I am impressed with Richie Richardson's leadership in
| > many ways, his captaincy in the last 2 tests was enigmatic.

| Very imaginative captaincy.

Huh?   a 2-7 field is "imaginative" ?   What it is is defensive, and
constrains the bowler to bowling down leg side with basically no chance
of taking many wickets.   Hooper's figures weren't his fault (or rather,
he had no chance to do better, if he had been able, which wasn't possible
to tell).   [Aside: 2-7 is 2 on the off, 7 on the leg, and yes, that's
really what Richardson had set].

Having said that, I think he's doing a better job than Richards, with
an inferior team (so far at least).

kre

 
 
 

Aus team for 4th test, possible WI team

Post by John Farre » Fri, 22 Jan 1993 08:09:39


Quote:

>>I agree with the batting order but after S Waugh's century at sydney he
>>will still remain at 3.
>Yes, you are probably right. Though many other people are suggesting that
>Mark Waugh should bat at no3.

  I think this has been Australia's problem for a few years - we have heaps of
number 5 and 6 batsmen, and some very talented openers, but nobody wants to
get in and do the hard work at 3 and 4. David Boon can fill one spot, but who
takes the other one? Jones will never be comfortable below 5, he just doesn't
have the confidence. Border is getting a bit old to do it, and besides, we
need him to save the team when they've lost 4 wickets in a hurry. I was hoping
for Siddons or Moody somebody to do the job, but these guys all seem to have
one great season then collapse. For example, Stuart Law has been dropped from
the Queensland side after being a possible Australian selection last year.
So designating the great Australian number 4 as X, my ideal side would be:

Taylor (vc)
Hayden
Boon
X
Border (c)
M.Waugh
Healy (k)
Hughes
Warne
McDermott
Reid (Whitney if injured, Dodemaide/Reiffel if both injured)

Friendless, who still doesn't like Whit much.

 
 
 

Aus team for 4th test, possible WI team

Post by san.. » Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:45:24

What's wrong with M. Waugh at 4 (he's done alright there this season) and
say Martyn at 5 and Border at 6. I know Martyn has set the world on fire
yet, but neither did SRT in his first series and look at him now.
 
 
 

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Post by j_gra.. » Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:47:09

Quote:



>>I also think Patterson will come back.  Why do ABC commentators call him
>>Rambo?

Bring back Patterson. Heaven forbid.

Quote:

> I don't know, perhaps because he's mean and ugly? :-)

>>You are right Simmons and Hooper should go.  I don't think they will
>>take such drastic step with Haynes.

> I don't know about the OD games, I rarely watch much of them. I did think
> that Border's captaincy in the 2nd Test was very good and that Richardson
> had relatively poor matches in Melbourne and Sydney (as a captain) after
> a very good start in Brisbane.

Of the West Indian test captains that I have seen, Sobers, Kanhai, LLoyd,
Richards and Haynes, Richie Richardson is by far the best when it comes
to on the field tactics. Lloyd, for all of his success had a total lack
of imagination and was far too quick to accuse his bowlers of not trying
whenever the opposition made 400. Lloyd however commanded respect unlike
Richardson who is 'too nice'. Sobers had imagination, but he also had an
unfailing belief in his ability to perform miracles.

Quote:

>>I guess Lara can open.  This guy can bat at any place, he is so good.

> I guess he could, but I'd say Richardson would be the man in test matches.

>>> So the West Indian team would be:
>>> Haynes, Richardson, Lara, Arthurton, Logie, Adams, Murray, Bishop, Ambrose,
>>> Walsh, Patterson, Hooper (12th).

Logie in our test team, never again. One day, maybe. Patterson, nope. If we
are going to try a fourth fast bowler, the it will be Benjamin.

Quote:

>>> This will be another close match, but I believe it is likely to be either a
>>> West Indian win or a draw.

>>I would bet on a dull draw with another 20 wickets for 1200 runs.

The match will not draw unless there is rain. We are not going to leave
Australia with a 1- 0 defeat. 2,3 - 0 maybe. I have not seen the test team
which can score 400 runs when our fast bowlers are bowling at full trot.
In the last game Hooper bowled 45 overs, which will not happen in the next
test. We are going to go for broke. I prefer 3 fast bowlers and 7 batsmen.

Jonathan Graham (Bajan on the net)

 
 
 

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Post by Rob McMill » Sat, 23 Jan 1993 10:34:05

Quote:

>   I think this has been Australia's problem for a few years - we have heaps of
> number 5 and 6 batsmen, and some very talented openers, but nobody wants to
> get in and do the hard work at 3 and 4. ... I was hoping
> for Siddons or Moody somebody to do the job, but these guys all seem to have
> one great season then collapse. For example, Stuart Law has been dropped from
> the Queensland side after being a possible Australian selection last year.

> Friendless, who still doesn't like Whit much.

Amen. If you believe the papers down here Friendless, Justin Langer's got it
all practically to himself within 12 months. Then again, he, like Hayden and
Martyn, (and Siddons, Lehmann, Bevan, etc before them) have all had a great
season (91-92), without a further *full* season of success after that. The
difference is of course that these three have continued on this season (whereas
Bevan, for instance, struggled last year, and has since lost his spot for NSW).

I think Moody and Law can kiss any pretentions to (further) international
honours. Lehmann's still a chance at some stage (he's still only 23 i think,
with about 4 years first class experience). Siddons will probably never
represent again, and much as I hate to say it, Deano's ambitions must be a
little shaky (will he or will he not do a Bruce Dooland and play his career out
in England?).

I think Hayden, Martyn and Langer, along with Boon, Taylor, the Waughs (and
Bevan in the not too distant future) will be the basis of the side in the next
5 years. I hope Deano can come back, though.

The bowling is more of a worry. There are a few spinners starting to come on
(two spinners at the recent U-19 championships did well - a Victorian and a
Queenslander). Apart from McDermott though, there don't seem to be too many
fast bowlers running around who seem to be able to really put the willies
amongst batsman. Although he was never an express bowler, it's a pity***
Tazelaar never got the nod before his back gave way - mind you he's still
bowling great spells for Queensland.

--
Rob. (who thought that Rupert the harmonica-playing light-tower-climbing
      ***ic was the most entertaining part of the Sunday ODI at the Gabba).

 
 
 

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Post by cpal.. » Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:07:13

Quote:

>Sobers had imagination, but he also had an
>unfailing belief in his ability to perform miracles.

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