How about World's bottom XI (current)

How about World's bottom XI (current)

Post by Mahesh Jasej » Tue, 18 Jul 1995 04:00:00


How about World's bottom XI (or lets say under-achievers at the test level).
Inorder to simplify things we consider only the WI,Aus,Ind,SA and Pak; since
the consensus on the best teams involved players from these teams only. The
other criteria should be the players must have played atleast 3/4 test matches
since 91/92.

 Please feel free to chip in. To get started lets say:

 openers------- Jadeja(Ind) S.Williams(WI) and _______________
 No.3 ----------Hick(England) Crawley(Eng) and ________________
 Batsmen(Mid)---Kirsten(SA) Amre(Ind) A.Mujtaba(Pak) _____________________
 Wkt-Keepers------
 Allrounders-----C.Lewis(Eng) Defraitas(Eng) _____________________
 Bowlers---------Illingworth(Eng) Chauhan(Ind) Salisbury(Eng) _________

 Please help
 Mahesh

 
 
 

How about World's bottom XI (current)

Post by MJ BONSA » Tue, 18 Jul 1995 04:00:00

: How about World's bottom XI (or lets say under-achievers at the test level).
: Inorder to simplify things we consider only the WI,Aus,Ind,SA and Pak; since
: the consensus on the best teams involved players from these teams only. The
: other criteria should be the players must have played atleast 3/4 test matches
: since 91/92.

:  Please feel free to chip in. To get started lets say:

:  openers------- Jadeja(Ind) S.Williams(WI) and _______________
:  No.3 ----------Hick(England) Crawley(Eng) and ________________
:  Batsmen(Mid)---Kirsten(SA) Amre(Ind) A.Mujtaba(Pak) _____________________
:  Wkt-Keepers------
:  Allrounders-----C.Lewis(Eng) Defraitas(Eng) _____________________
:  Bowlers---------Illingworth(Eng) Chauhan(Ind) Salisbury(Eng) _________

:  Please help
:  Mahesh

Oh go on then.

1       Lathwell (E)
2       Jadeja (I)
3       Greatbach(NZ)
4       Asif Mutjaba (P)
5       Ramprakash (E)
6       Lewis (E)
7       Browne (WI)
8       Gibson (WI)
9       Illingworth (E)
10      Salisbury (E)
11      Mallender (E)

There are two things which immediately strike me about this topic. First
is that picking such a side is a lot harder than it would appear to start
with.

The second point is one which is a lot more frightening than any other; at
least for an Englishman like myself. Looking at the above side, it would
have been very easy to pick a side which contained purely Englishmen who
had played tests in the 1990s. I'm not sure whether this is because we are
naturally over-critical of our own players or whether it is because we are
simply one of the worst test playing sides at the moment.

To the list above you could very easily add the names of Martin McCague,
Paul Taylor, Philip De Freitas and (from the 80s) Jack Richards, and
though it pains me to say it, Graeme Hick. That is purely off the top of
my head, and I'm sure that when I've sat down and thought about it for ten
minutes, there will be an army of names to add to it. Phil Newport for
example.

Enough, it would be interesting to hear what everybody else thinks. Am I
being over-critical, or do we pick some right duffers??

Bon.

 
 
 

How about World's bottom XI (current)

Post by Mahesh Jasej » Tue, 18 Jul 1995 04:00:00

Quote:


>: How about World's bottom XI (or lets say under-achievers at the test level).
>: Inorder to simplify things we consider only the WI,Aus,Ind,SA and Pak; since
>: the consensus on the best teams involved players from these teams only. The
>: other criteria should be the players must have played atleast 3/4 test matches
>: since 91/92.

>:  Please feel free to chip in. To get started lets say:

>:  openers------- Jadeja(Ind) S.Williams(WI) and _______________
>:  No.3 ----------Hick(England) Crawley(Eng) and ________________
>:  Batsmen(Mid)---Kirsten(SA) Amre(Ind) A.Mujtaba(Pak) _____________________
>:  Wkt-Keepers------
>:  Allrounders-----C.Lewis(Eng) Defraitas(Eng) _____________________
>:  Bowlers---------Illingworth(Eng) Chauhan(Ind) Salisbury(Eng) _________

>:  Please help
>:  Mahesh

>Oh go on then.

>1   Lathwell (E)*
>2   Jadeja (I)
>3   Greatbach(NZ)
>4   Asif Mutjaba (P)
>5   Ramprakash (E)
>6   Lewis (E)               *haven't played enough tests to qualify
>7   Browne (WI)*
>8   Gibson (WI)*
>9   Illingworth (E)
>10  Salisbury (E)
>11  Mallender (E)*

>There are two things which immediately strike me about this topic. First
>is that picking such a side is a lot harder than it would appear to start
>with.

>The second point is one which is a lot more frightening than any other; at
>least for an Englishman like myself. Looking at the above side, it would
>have been very easy to pick a side which contained purely Englishmen who
>had played tests in the 1990s. I'm not sure whether this is because we are
>naturally over-critical of our own players or whether it is because we are
>simply one of the worst test playing sides at the moment.

>To the list above you could very easily add the names of Martin McCague,
>Paul Taylor, Philip De Freitas and (from the 80s) Jack Richards, and
>though it pains me to say it, Graeme Hick. That is purely off the top of
>my head, and I'm sure that when I've sat down and thought about it for ten
>minutes, there will be an army of names to add to it. Phil Newport for
>example.

>Enough, it would be interesting to hear what everybody else thinks. Am I
>being over-critical, or do we pick some right duffers??

>Bon.

 I agree that this very tough, it needs a lot of thinking. One thing I stress
 is that we have players that have atleast played 4 matches. This criteria
 would disqualify Lathwell, Mallender, Gibson, Newport, Browne. The problem
 with Ramps is that his record with teams other than WI is not bad.

 People lets make sure that players suggested for this squad have a minimum
 qualification of 4 tests atleast.

 Cheers
 Mahesh

 
 
 

How about World's bottom XI (current)

Post by Mahesh Jasej » Tue, 18 Jul 1995 04:00:00

Quote:



>>: How about World's bottom XI (or lets say under-achievers at the test level).
>>: Inorder to simplify things we consider only the WI,Aus,Ind,SA and Pak; since
>>: the consensus on the best teams involved players from these teams only. The
>>: other criteria should be the players must have played atleast 3/4 test matches
>>: since 91/92.

>>:  Please feel free to chip in. To get started lets say:

>>:  openers------- Jadeja(Ind) S.Williams(WI) and _______________
>>:  No.3 ----------Hick(England) Crawley(Eng) and ________________
>>:  Batsmen(Mid)---Kirsten(SA) Amre(Ind) A.Mujtaba(Pak) _____________________
>>:  Wkt-Keepers------
>>:  Allrounders-----C.Lewis(Eng) Defraitas(Eng) _____________________
>>:  Bowlers---------Illingworth(Eng) Chauhan(Ind) Salisbury(Eng) _________

>>:  Please help
>>:  Mahesh

>>Oh go on then.

>>1       Lathwell (E)*
>>2       Jadeja (I)
>>3       Greatbach(NZ)
>>4       Asif Mutjaba (P)
>>5       Ramprakash (E)
>>6       Lewis (E)               *haven't played enough tests to qualify
>>7       Browne (WI)*
>>8       Gibson (WI)*
>>9       Illingworth (E)
>>10      Salisbury (E)
>>11      Mallender (E)*

>>There are two things which immediately strike me about this topic. First
>>is that picking such a side is a lot harder than it would appear to start
>>with.

>>The second point is one which is a lot more frightening than any other; at
>>least for an Englishman like myself. Looking at the above side, it would
>>have been very easy to pick a side which contained purely Englishmen who
>>had played tests in the 1990s. I'm not sure whether this is because we are
>>naturally over-critical of our own players or whether it is because we are
>>simply one of the worst test playing sides at the moment.

>>To the list above you could very easily add the names of Martin McCague,
>>Paul Taylor, Philip De Freitas and (from the 80s) Jack Richards, and
>>though it pains me to say it, Graeme Hick. That is purely off the top of
>>my head, and I'm sure that when I've sat down and thought about it for ten
>>minutes, there will be an army of names to add to it. Phil Newport for
>>example.

>>Enough, it would be interesting to hear what everybody else thinks. Am I
>>being over-critical, or do we pick some right duffers??

>>Bon.

> I agree that this very tough, it needs a lot of thinking. One thing I stress
> is that we have players that have atleast played 4 matches. This criteria
> would disqualify Lathwell, Mallender, Gibson, Newport, Browne. The problem
> with Ramps is that his record with teams other than WI is not bad.

> People lets make sure that players suggested for this squad have a minimum
> qualification of 4 tests atleast.

> Cheers
> Mahesh

 Also no players from NZ,SL, and ZMB

 Mahesh

 
 
 

How about World's bottom XI (current)

Post by Rod Sta » Tue, 18 Jul 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

>From: Mahesh Jaseja <mahesh>
>Subject: How about World's bottom XI (current)
>Date: 17 Jul 1995 16:54:56 GMT
>How about World's bottom XI (or lets say under-achievers at the test level).
>Inorder to simplify things we consider only the WI,Aus,Ind,SA and Pak; since
>the consensus on the best teams involved players from these teams

only. The To get started lets say:

Quote:
> No.3 ----------Hick(England) Crawley(Eng) and ________________
> Allrounders-----C.Lewis(Eng) Defraitas(Eng) _____________________
> Bowlers---------Illingworth(Eng)  Salisbury(Eng) _________
> Please help
> Mahesh

I thought you weren't including England because they're not currently one of
the better teams?  You might as well pick most of the NZ team.
 
 
 

How about World's bottom XI (current)

Post by kir.. » Tue, 18 Jul 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

> How about World's bottom XI (or lets say under-achievers at the test level).
> Inorder to simplify things we consider only the WI,Aus,Ind,SA and Pak; since
> the consensus on the best teams involved players from these teams only. The
> other criteria should be the players must have played atleast 3/4 test matches
> since 91/92.

>  Please feel free to chip in. To get started lets say:

>  openers------- Jadeja(Ind) S.Williams(WI) and _______________
>  No.3 ----------Hick(England) Crawley(Eng) and ________________
>  Batsmen(Mid)---Kirsten(SA) Amre(Ind) A.Mujtaba(Pak) _____________________
>  Wkt-Keepers------
>  Allrounders-----C.Lewis(Eng) Defraitas(Eng) _____________________
>  Bowlers---------Illingworth(Eng) Chauhan(Ind) Salisbury(Eng) _________

>  Please help
>  Mahesh

                Hang on a minute, the second sentence says only include
                WI, Aus, Ind, SA and Pakistan. Then the first lineup includes
                6 English players. Have I misread something ??

 One very confused person
--

**********************************************

 
 
 

How about World's bottom XI (current)

Post by John Hal » Tue, 18 Jul 1995 04:00:00


Quote:
>How about World's bottom XI (or lets say under-achievers at the test level).
>Inorder to simplify things we consider only the WI,Aus,Ind,SA and Pak; since
>the consensus on the best teams involved players from these teams only. The
>other criteria should be the players must have played atleast 3/4 test matches
>since 91/92.

> Please feel free to chip in. To get started lets say:

> openers------- Jadeja(Ind) S.Williams(WI) and _______________
> No.3 ----------Hick(England) Crawley(Eng) and ________________
> Batsmen(Mid)---Kirsten(SA) Amre(Ind) A.Mujtaba(Pak) _____________________
> Wkt-Keepers------
> Allrounders-----C.Lewis(Eng) Defraitas(Eng) _____________________
> Bowlers---------Illingworth(Eng) Chauhan(Ind) Salisbury(Eng) _________

I thought England was excluded from your list of countries? The only
names I would quarrel with here are Crawley, who has only played a
handful of Tests and who played at least one good innings in Australia,
and possibly Kirsten, depending on which one of the brothers you mean.
You might also want to add Phil Simmons to your list.
--
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  implies a catholic appetite and a strong sense of personal identity.
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How about World's bottom XI (current)

Post by John Hal » Tue, 18 Jul 1995 04:00:00



Quote:
>To the list above you could very easily add the names of Martin McCague,
>Paul Taylor, Philip De Freitas and (from the 80s) Jack Richards, and
>though it pains me to say it, Graeme Hick. That is purely off the top of
>my head, and I'm sure that when I've sat down and thought about it for ten
>minutes, there will be an army of names to add to it. Phil Newport for
>example.

Not too much wrong with Richards as a wicketkeeper-batsman, as he showed
on Gatting's tour of Australia. Only trouble with him was, he was
apparently such a total pain that sides tended to drop him because he
upset the other players.
--
  Extreme busyness, whether at school or college, kirk or market,
  is a symptom of deficient vitality; and a faculty for idleness
  implies a catholic appetite and a strong sense of personal identity.
                           R.L.Stevenson  "An Apology for Idlers"  1876
 
 
 

How about World's bottom XI (current)

Post by Mahesh Jasej » Wed, 19 Jul 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

>How about World's bottom XI (or lets say under-achievers at the test level).
>Inorder to simplify things we consider only the WI,Aus,Ind,SA and Pak; since
>the consensus on the best teams involved players from these teams only. The
>other criteria should be the players must have played atleast 3/4 test matches
>since 91/92.

> Please feel free to chip in. To get started lets say:

> openers------- Jadeja(Ind) S.Williams(WI) and _______________
> No.3 ----------Hick(England) Crawley(Eng) and ________________
> Batsmen(Mid)---Kirsten(SA) Amre(Ind) A.Mujtaba(Pak) _____________________
> Wkt-Keepers------
> Allrounders-----C.Lewis(Eng) Defraitas(Eng) _____________________
> Bowlers---------Illingworth(Eng) Chauhan(Ind) Salisbury(Eng) _________

> Please help
> Mahesh

 Sorry I missed England on the first line.

 Mahesh

 
 
 

How about World's bottom XI (current)

Post by Steve Wye » Wed, 19 Jul 1995 04:00:00

Quote:


>>How about World's bottom XI (or lets say under-achievers at the test level).
>>Inorder to simplify things we consider only the WI,Aus,Ind,SA and Pak; since
>>the consensus on the best teams involved players from these teams only. The
>>other criteria should be the players must have played atleast 3/4 test matches
>>since 91/92.

>> Please feel free to chip in. To get started lets say:

>> openers------- Jadeja(Ind) S.Williams(WI) and _______________
>> No.3 ----------Hick(England) Crawley(Eng) and ________________
>> Batsmen(Mid)---Kirsten(SA) Amre(Ind) A.Mujtaba(Pak) _____________________
>> Wkt-Keepers------
>> Allrounders-----C.Lewis(Eng) Defraitas(Eng) _____________________
>> Bowlers---------Illingworth(Eng) Chauhan(Ind) Salisbury(Eng) _________

>> Please help
>> Mahesh

> Sorry I missed England on the first line.
> Mahesh

Its OK, we understand... When you mention finding poor players
then England is implcitly included as being the likeliest
breeding ground for such players :-)

Steve.

 
 
 

How about World's bottom XI (current)

Post by catz.. » Thu, 20 Jul 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

> How about World's bottom XI (or lets say under-achievers at the test level).
> Inorder to simplify things we consider only the WI,Aus,Ind,SA and Pak; since
> the consensus on the best teams involved players from these teams only. The
> other criteria should be the players must have played atleast 3/4 test matches
> since 91/92.

>  Please feel free to chip in. To get started lets say:

>  openers------- Jadeja(Ind) S.Williams(WI) and _______________
>  No.3 ----------Hick(England) Crawley(Eng) and ________________
>  Batsmen(Mid)---Kirsten(SA) Amre(Ind) A.Mujtaba(Pak) _____________________
>  Wkt-Keepers------
>  Allrounders-----C.Lewis(Eng) Defraitas(Eng) _____________________
>  Bowlers---------Illingworth(Eng) Chauhan(Ind) Salisbury(Eng) _________

Oh come on. No Ken Rutherford? Not only is he is dead cert. for the team, but
also as captain surely?

Wicketkeeper is a tough spot to fill, but England's Richard Blakey (India tour
last) has to be the worst of a bad lot.

Not sure about DeFreitas though, he's a bit good at times.

Richard

 
 
 

How about World's bottom XI (current)

Post by usernam » Thu, 20 Jul 1995 04:00:00


Quote:

> Also no players from NZ,SL, and ZMB

and then someone else wrote

Quote:
> might as well pick most of the NZ side

OUCH!!!!!!!!  Now, I am the first to admit that last year was a
disastrous year, and not much has gone right for the side since Wright
retired (pun intended) but NZ have always seemed to manage playing
without decent openers in the past.  Of course any side that persists
with Rutherford and Patel for so long must have a serious lack of
options.  Our decent bowlers keep getting hurt (e.g. Cairns, Morrison) or
show up playing for someone else (e.g. Caddick) so we have to play
deGroen, Pringle, Sua or Heath Davis.  And our manager was an (lets be
polite here) enjoyer of the night life, at home and abroad.  Our only
world class player is hobbling around with knees worse than OJ, and the
young batsman of the future (Fleming) still hasn't got a test ton.  And
none of the test team gets to play domestic first class cricket anymore
because the Board keeps scheduling one day tournaments and *** tours.
  Buts that's NO REASON to .......

... hmm, what was my point again??

On paper, at least, the team for next year IMHO doesnt look so bad:

Young, Twose, Parore, Crowe, Fleming, Thomson/Patel, Cairns, Gorman,
Nash, Morrison + 1 other

Anyhow, here's the headline from April 1996
                                       ----  <-- not a typo

"NZ HUMBLES WINDIES FOR FIRST VICTORY IN THE CARRIBEAN --
  Test victory after World Cup triumph tops off great season"

Yours in everlasting hope

Jeff

 
 
 

How about World's bottom XI (current)

Post by Aidan Heerdeg » Fri, 21 Jul 1995 04:00:00

Quote:


>> How about World's bottom XI (or lets say under-achievers at the
>> test level). In order to simplify things we consider only the
>> WI,Aus,Ind,SA and Pak; since the consensus on the best teams
>> involved players from these teams only. The other criteria should
>> be the players must have played atleast 3/4 test matches since 91/92.

<snip>

Quote:
>Oh come on. No Ken Rutherford? Not only is he is dead cert. for the
>team, but also as captain surely?

I was going to suggest Kenny myself, but Mahesh specified only
WI, Aus, Ind, SA and Pak ..  and after thinking about it I
agreed, NZ would have far too much advantage in an XI like this!  

;)

I'm not fussy, I'm not looking for the NZ team to *win* ..  I
just want them to play as well as they can and not embarrass
themselves anymore ..  is that too much to ask?  

And why the *** are they only playing two tests in the WIndies?

I mean, they only get to go there about once every 5 years, you'd
think they play at lesst 3 tests for chrissakes.

Shesh

Later

Aidan

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How about World's bottom XI (current)

Post by JEREMY H PATR » Tue, 25 Jul 1995 04:00:00

Quote:


>Subject: Re: How about World's bottom XI (current)
>Date: 20 Jul 1995 08:00:30 GMT


>>> How about World's bottom XI (or lets say under-achievers at the
>>> test level). In order to simplify things we consider only the
>>> WI,Aus,Ind,SA and Pak; since the consensus on the best teams
>>> involved players from these teams only. The other criteria should
>>> be the players must have played atleast 3/4 test matches since 91/92.

><snip>

>>Oh come on. No Ken Rutherford? Not only is he is dead cert. for the
>>team, but also as captain surely?

>;)

>I'm not fussy, I'm not looking for the NZ team to *win* ..  I
>just want them to play as well as they can and not embarrass
>themselves anymore ..  is that too much to ask?  

dream on they'll lose at least two tests this season by at least an innings.

Quote:
>And why the *** are they only playing two tests in the WIndies?

who wants to get humiliated more than twice

the worst world eleven should be a combination of New Zealand, Sri Lankan
and Zimbabwean team members, with the majority coming from New Zealand.

The only way New Zealand won't lose a test this season is by not playing.
Please for the New Zealand public take up tiddly winks

 
 
 

How about World's bottom XI (current)

Post by Aidan Heerdeg » Fri, 28 Jul 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

>and then someone else wrote

>> might as well pick most of the NZ side

>OUCH!!!!!!!!  

Yep.

The truth hurts

Quote:
>Now, I am the first to admit that last year was a disastrous year,
>and not much has gone right for the side since Wright retired (pun
>intended) but NZ have always seemed to manage playing without decent
>openers in the past.  

Young is ok ..  pretty solid.  For someone who was such a dashing
stroke-player he certainly does manage to go into his shell if he
wants to (that slow 50 in SA come to mind) which is what we want
from an opener I suppose.  

Quote:
>Of course any side that persists with Rutherford and Patel for so
>long must have a serious lack of options.  

I gotta say that the biggets problem with NZ cricket is depth.  
We produce a few genuine test class players but if they get
injured then we are up shit creek in the proverbial barbed wire
canoe.  

Quote:
>On paper, at least, the team for next year IMHO doesnt look so bad:

>Young, Twose, Parore, Crowe, Fleming, Thomson/Patel, Cairns, Gorman,
>Nash, Morrison + 1 other

Well Twose hasn't had the stellar County season he had last year,
and I don't remember him lighting up the NZ domestic scene last
summer.  We'll see.  Darrin Murray did ok(ish) and certainly did
enough to warrant as many opportunities as Pocock and Hartland.  
What is with Hartland?  He fails in tests, looks like a goose and
then ***s a "first class" attack for 180 odd a couple of weeks
later.  Je n'comprende pas

Thomson is a *much* better bat than Patel, assuming he is in
form.  Even if he isn't I wouldn't bat Patel at 6 (Cairns at a
pinch).  I was wondering who Gorman was, then I realised you meant
Germon.  The +1 other bowler should be Simon Doull ..  he was our
best bowler in South Africa. I am a little concerned about Nash,
his county season isn't going all that well. My team would be:

Young, Murray, Parore, Crowe, Fleming, Thomson, Cairns, Germon+*,
Doull, Nash, Morrison.  

If Crowe is still in injured we is toast.

Quote:
>Anyhow, here's the headline from April 1996
>                                       ----  <-- not a typo

>"NZ HUMBLES WINDIES FOR FIRST VICTORY IN THE CARRIBEAN --
>  Test victory after World Cup triumph tops off great season"

>Yours in everlasting hope

Fingers crossed!

Later

Aidan

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#1 fan of Bruce Edgar on r.s.c