Bad decisions and bad decisions

Bad decisions and bad decisions

Post by Southpa » Mon, 21 Jan 2008 03:10:47


Do ppl seriously think the poor LBW calls against Aus were as poor as
the mistakes in the Sydney test?

I mean, there were 3 wrong caught-behind decisions in Sydney - all
against India. And a couple of occasions when the third umpire was
available but not consulted - once again in Aus' favor. These are
qualitatively more basic errors than LBWs IMHO.

Suggesting that Rauf and Bowden had as poor a game as Buckson is way
off the mark IMHO.

I'd suggest Rauf and Bowden had a below-average game, with LBWs going
wrong against both teams. If LBWs are all an umpire got wrong, then
he's actually not had that bad a game. LBWs and bat-pads remain by far
the hardest decisions for an umpire. Getting 3 caught-behinds, a
caught-at-slip, and a stumping wrong? That's a disaster.

-Samarth.

 
 
 

Bad decisions and bad decisions

Post by SultanOfSwin » Mon, 21 Jan 2008 03:46:34


Quote:
> Do ppl seriously think the poor LBW calls against Aus were as poor as
> the mistakes in the Sydney test?

> I mean, there were 3 wrong caught-behind decisions in Sydney - all
> against India. And a couple of occasions when the third umpire was
> available but not consulted - once again in Aus' favor. These are
> qualitatively more basic errors than LBWs IMHO.

> Suggesting that Rauf and Bowden had as poor a game as Buckson is way
> off the mark IMHO.

> I'd suggest Rauf and Bowden had a below-average game, with LBWs going
> wrong against both teams. If LBWs are all an umpire got wrong, then
> he's actually not had that bad a game. LBWs and bat-pads remain by far
> the hardest decisions for an umpire. Getting 3 caught-behinds, a
> caught-at-slip, and a stumping wrong? That's a disaster.

> -Samarth.

   Well, Wikipedia has an article on the 2nd Test at Sydney.
   They have a list of the umpiring mistakes in T2. Here's
   a list of those dubious decisions.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   Australian 1st Innings

    * Ricky Ponting (17) given not out by Mark Benson - Ponting
attempted a leg glance off his pads while facing the medium pacers of
Sourav Ganguly. He edged it back to wicketkeeper Mahendra Singh Dhoni.
The appeal was turned down by the umpire. Ponting went on to score 55
runs.

    * Ricky Ponting (55) given out by Mark Benson - Ponting inside
edged bowler Harbhajan Singh back onto his back pad. Was adjudged LBW
after an Indian appeal to the umpire.

    * Andrew Symonds (30) given not out by Steve Bucknor - Symonds
attempted a push outside off to the bowling of Ishant Sharma, but
managed to edge the ball to the wicketkeeper Dhoni. The Indian appeal
for caught behind was turned down by Bucknor. Symonds went on to score
162*.

    * Andrew Symonds (48) given not out by third umpire Bruce Oxenford
- Symonds lifted his back foot while beaten by Anil Kumble, Dhoni
appealed for a stumping which was referred to the third umpire. While
analysing the video replays, Wide World of Sports commentators Mark
Taylor, Michael Slater and Ian Healy speculated that it was out. The
3rd umpire turned down the appeal, commentators at Cricinfo saying "in
by a whisker, make that half a whisker". Symonds went on to score
162*.

    * Andrew Symonds (148) given not out by Steve Bucknor - Symonds
attempted to slide his back-foot into the crease when beaten by Anil
Kumble, Dhoni appealed for a stumping but Bucknor did not pass the
request to the third umpire, adjudging Symonds not out. Cricinfo
commentators said "he just appeared to have some part of his foot
grounded behind the line". Symonds went on to score 162*.

Indian 1st innings

    * Wasim Jaffer (3) given out by Mark Benson - Jaffer bowled by a
yorker from Brett Lee. Replays show that Lee's front foot was outside
the crease that would make it a no ball.

    * VVS Laxman (16) given not out by Mark Benson - Laxman shaped to
flick a full ball from Brett Lee down the leg side, further replays
indicate the ball would probably have struck middle and leg or leg
stump. Laxman went on to score 109.

    * Sachin Tendulkar (36) given not out by Steve Bucknor - Tendulkar
was struck low on the pad in front of the stumps by the second ball of
the 79th over of the Indian innings bowled by Michael Clarke. Bucknor
adjudged it not out. Tendulkar went on to score 154 not out.

Australian 2nd Innings

    * Michael Hussey (22) given not out by Mark Benson - Hussey is
struck on the inside of the right pad deep in the crease off a ball
that turned and kept low off the bowling of Anil Kumble. Hussey went
on to score 145*.

    * Michael Hussey (45) given not out by Mark Benson - Hussey turns
the full face of the bat to the leg side and gets a fine touch to
wicket-keeper Dhoni off the bowling of Rudra Pratap Singh. Hussey went
on to score 145*.

    * Andrew Symonds (0) given not out by Steve Bucknor - Symonds was
struck on the front pad by a top-spinner from Kumble on his hat trick
ball. Bucknor adjudged it not out. Kumble missed out on a hat trick.
Symonds went on to score 61.

Indian 2nd innings

    * Rahul Dravid (38) given out by Steve Bucknor - Dravid tucked bat
and glove behind his pads as he successfully padded away a delivery
from Andrew Symonds. Adam Gilchrist caught the ball and appealed for
caught behind and Bucknor gave it out. Replays revealed a small
deflection of the pads going almost straight into Gilchrist's hands.

    * Sourav Ganguly (51) given out by Mark Benson - Whilst the TV
evidence was inconclusive as to the correctness of the decision, the
manner in which it was delivered has generated controversy. Sourav
Ganguly edged the ball to Michael Clarke at slip who was engulfed by
his team-mates in celebration of an apparent catch. Umpire Benson
appeared unsure as to whether it carried and instead of referring to
third umpire asked captain Ricky Ponting for clarification. There was
a prior agreement between the teams that the fielders would be honest
about whether the catch had carried. Ponting, having already consulted
Clarke about the validity of the catch, raised his finger, telling the
umpire that he thought the catch was cleanly taken. He came under
criticism for claiming the catch on behalf of his fielder while he was
himself not sure about it. He had earlier appealed for another dubious
catch off M.S. Dhoni, when TV replays suggested the ball had touched
the ground while he was diving. However, the laws of the game clearly
state a catch is over once the player has control over ball and body.
Clarke had made the dive and was in control, and caught the ball
clearly. TV replays were inconclusive for the Ganguly catch as well,
in which case the batsman normally gets the benefit of the doubt.
However, the Umpire had made his decision without asking for a 3rd
umpire referal and no benefit of the doubt was required.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Test%2C_2007-08_Border-Gavaskar_T...

When I counted, there were 10 decisions against India and 3 decisions
against Australia. As you mentioned, Samarth, the 3 caught-behind
decisions and the stumping (3rd umpire not consulted) were examples
of basic errors. Umpire Asad Rauf, may have misjudged the height
factor while adjudging LBW's but atleast he was consistent in his
decisions. Same goes for Bowden. That's a lot better than Buckson
combination.

Also a YouTube link that supports the above article.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z125uLHDlUU

 
 
 

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Post by dechuck » Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:00:34


Quote:

>> Do ppl seriously think the poor LBW calls against Aus were as poor as
>> the mistakes in the Sydney test?

>> I mean, there were 3 wrong caught-behind decisions in Sydney - all
>> against India. And a couple of occasions when the third umpire was
>> available but not consulted - once again in Aus' favor. These are
>> qualitatively more basic errors than LBWs IMHO.

>> Suggesting that Rauf and Bowden had as poor a game as Buckson is way
>> off the mark IMHO.

>> I'd suggest Rauf and Bowden had a below-average game, with LBWs going
>> wrong against both teams. If LBWs are all an umpire got wrong, then
>> he's actually not had that bad a game. LBWs and bat-pads remain by far
>> the hardest decisions for an umpire. Getting 3 caught-behinds, a
>> caught-at-slip, and a stumping wrong? That's a disaster.

>> -Samarth.

>   Well, Wikipedia has an article on the 2nd Test at Sydney.
>   They have a list of the umpiring mistakes in T2. Here's
>   a list of those dubious decisions.

WOW Wikipedia it must be true!

snip

 
 
 

Bad decisions and bad decisions

Post by Fish Womp » Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:40:37

On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 10:46:34 -0800 (PST), SultanOfSwing

Quote:


>> Do ppl seriously think the poor LBW calls against Aus were as poor as
>> the mistakes in the Sydney test?

>> I mean, there were 3 wrong caught-behind decisions in Sydney - all
>> against India. And a couple of occasions when the third umpire was
>> available but not consulted - once again in Aus' favor. These are
>> qualitatively more basic errors than LBWs IMHO.

>> Suggesting that Rauf and Bowden had as poor a game as Buckson is way
>> off the mark IMHO.

>> I'd suggest Rauf and Bowden had a below-average game, with LBWs going
>> wrong against both teams. If LBWs are all an umpire got wrong, then
>> he's actually not had that bad a game. LBWs and bat-pads remain by far
>> the hardest decisions for an umpire. Getting 3 caught-behinds, a
>> caught-at-slip, and a stumping wrong? That's a disaster.

>> -Samarth.

>   Well, Wikipedia has an article on the 2nd Test at Sydney.
>   They have a list of the umpiring mistakes in T2. Here's
>   a list of those dubious decisions.

Most of these, while debateable, cannot be called umpiring errors with
any certainty. What the list does show is that both teams had
contentious calls go against them.  In particular, umpires called upon
to give LBW calls on sharply turning balls tend to give benefit of the
doubt to the batsman. They have to make an immediate decision, and
don't get to look at ump*** replays.

Had India shown a bit of spine on the last day the Test would have
been drawn.

fish

 
 
 

Bad decisions and bad decisions

Post by Sanjiv Karmarka » Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:09:48


Quote:
> > ? Well, Wikipedia has an article on the 2nd Test at Sydney.
> > ? They have a list of the umpiring mistakes in T2. Here's
> > ? a list of those dubious decisions.

> WOW Wikipedia it must be true!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4530930.stm

http://www.news.com/2100-1038_3-5997332.html

OTOH, there are a lot of studies from highly reputable sources (one
study from Columbia University comes to mind), showing Wiki actually
contains fewer errors that EB.

Sanjiv Karmarkar

 
 
 

Bad decisions and bad decisions

Post by bhandav » Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:33:41

Quote:


>>>  Well, Wikipedia has an article on the 2nd Test at Sydney.
>>>  They have a list of the umpiring mistakes in T2. Here's
>>>  a list of those dubious decisions.

>>WOW Wikipedia it must be true!

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4530930.stm

> http://www.news.com/2100-1038_3-5997332.html

> OTOH, there are a lot of studies from highly reputable sources (one
> study from Columbia University comes to mind), showing Wiki actually
> contains fewer errors that EB.

> Sanjiv Karmarkar

Where does it say in these articles that wiki has fewer errors than EB?

It says: "But reviewers also found many factual errors, omissions or
misleading statements: 162 and 123 in Wikipedia and Britannica,
respectively." This is also from a sample of only 42 reviews in science
fields.

Wiki can be very useful as a starting point, but it isn't the most
reputable source due to its open nature. This would be especially true
in less-read entries and also non-scientific entries that are more open
to interpretation and bias.

bhandava

 
 
 

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Post by alve » Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:59:53

That count is hopelessly incorrect.
It was actually; anti-India 163, pro-India 0.

alvey
in Briz, wondering why ppl quote Wikipedia as a reference.

 
 
 

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Post by Sanjiv Karmarka » Mon, 21 Jan 2008 07:34:02


Quote:
> Where does it say in these articles that wiki has fewer errors than EB?

I never said that it does.

Understand what OTOH means.

Sanjiv Karmarkar

 
 
 

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Post by James Farra » Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:08:37

Quote:

> What the list does show is that both teams had
>contentious calls go against them.  

Yeah, but hardly in anywhere near equal numbers!
 
 
 

Bad decisions and bad decisions

Post by bhandav » Mon, 21 Jan 2008 15:19:18

Quote:


>>Where does it say in these articles that wiki has fewer errors than EB?

> I never said that it does.

> Understand what OTOH means.

> Sanjiv Karmarkar

I incorrectly read OTOMH. Why would you post 2 article links saying that
wiki has more errors than EB? That's almost surely a given.

I'll search for a source that says wiki has fewer errors than EB. It
could be interesting.

bhandava

 
 
 

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Post by Husband of All FBI n NSA agent » Mon, 21 Jan 2008 15:23:28



Quote:
> Where does it say in these articles that wiki has fewer errors than EB?
>>I never said that it does.
>>Understand what OTOH means.
>>Sanjiv Karmarkar

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*******************************************************

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BEGIN THREAT:

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bhandava 88 888

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*********************************************************

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This response is NOT meant specifically to you.

I will post this again in a brand new thread.

 
 
 

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Post by Andrew Symond » Mon, 21 Jan 2008 15:48:20


Quote:


>>>Where does it say in these articles that wiki has fewer errors than EB?

>> I never said that it does.

>> Understand what OTOH means.

>> Sanjiv Karmarkar

> I incorrectly read OTOMH.

My Superior Lord bhandava,

But you are a genius and an intellectual like all of your mafia members
Rodney Ulyate, curiousgeorge, Diggler, Jack, Kim and the rest.

How can you incorrectly read OTOH with your 300 IQed brain that
laughs at all low iq monkeys like me and the third world Indian curry
munchers and the first world superiors like my skip Ricky Ponting,
Michael Clarke and the honest Adam Gilchrist and the resident
colored bastards haters alvey, Will_S, Andrew Dunford, Holmans,
Robson, dechuka, Rodney Hampson etc ?

You are supposed to be God, how can you make such a simple
mistake My Superior Lord bhandava ?

How can I worship you, your intellect and your genius in the
future if you make these mistakes Gods never make.

Rodney Ulyate's sarcasm on these third world Indian curry munchers
was simply brilliant yesterday. Rodney Ulyate belongs in the
Sarcasm Hall of Fame.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/2745f8f35b327f75

Now I await another sarcasm gem from My Superior Lord bhandava to
insult, abuse and ridicule me for my monkey English and imbecile brain.

Quote:
>Why would you post 2 article links saying that wiki has more errors than
>EB? That's almost surely a given.

These third world Indian curry munchers and their logic, I tell ya.

When do we bomb India and civilize them, My Superior Lord
bhandava ?

Quote:
> I'll search for a source that says wiki has fewer errors than EB. It could
> be interesting.

> bhandava

It cant be more interesting than you abusing, ridiculing and insulting
me My Superior Lord bhandava.

Please continue to abuse me and make me worship your superior
genius and intellect and godly abilities.

 
 
 

Bad decisions and bad decisions

Post by bhandav » Mon, 21 Jan 2008 15:57:17

Is America in the 3rd world now? You're certainly neither Indian nor
Australian, yet claim to be both. LMAO at how pathetic you are.

I laugh at your illiteracy. Go and look up sarcasm in the dictionary, it
may be enlightening.

Now I am done with you, you may go and entertain me some more.
Dance for me, oh Wise American. Dance!

Your Superior,
bhandava