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by **Aslam Siddiq** » Thu, 14 Feb 2002 23:44:53

Hi Aslam,

Do you have similar stats for % of dismissals that are caught behind?

Cheers

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Here are the bowlers with high percentage of 'caught behind'
dismissals in their Test careers (qualification: at least 100 wickets
in Test career; D=caught behind dismissals).

% D Wkts
31.71 39 123 EJ Chatfield (NZ)
30.65 38 124 DG Cork (Eng)
30.40 100 329 AA Donald (SAf)
29.81 48 161 IR Bishop (WI)
29.20 33 113 BA Reid (Aus)
28.70 33 115 GG Arnold (Eng)
28.46 35 123 RM Hogg (Aus)
28.13 54 192 WW Hall (WI)
27.93 31 111 BR Taylor (NZ)
27.89 53 190 WPUJC Vaas (SL)

Other current bowlers with a ratio of over 25%:
27.78 60 216 J Srinath (Ind)
27.06 102 377 GD McGrath (Aus)
25.29 44 174 HH Streak (Zim)

Bottom of the list:
5.73 7 122 R Illingworth (Eng)
5.67 8 141 H Trumble (Aus)
5.13 8 156 S Venkataraghavan (Ind)
5.00 15 300 A Kumble (Ind)
4.95 20 404 M Muralitharan (SL)
4.17 9 216 CV Grimmett (Aus)
4.15 8 193 JC Laker (Eng)
3.51 4 114 DR Doshi (Ind)
3.47 5 144 H Verity (Eng)
0.97 1 103 G Giffen (Aus)

Other current bowlers with a ratio of less than 10%:
6.06 10 165 Saqlain Mushtaq (Pak)
8.74 16 183 Mushtaq Ahmed (Pak)

Bonus stat - most wickets in Test career without ever dismissing a
batsman 'caught behind':

42 LO'B Fleetwood-Smith (Aus)
37 PM Such (Eng)
34 Mohammad Nazir (Pak)
29 GHS Trott (Aus); JM Patel (Ind)
28 VWC Jupp (Eng)
26 AE Trott (Aus/Eng)
24 R Kilner (Eng); TJ Jenner (Aus)
23 GHT Simpson-Hayward (Eng); GR Hazlitt (Aus); GW Flower (Zim)
22 TWJ Goddard (Eng); Saeed Ahmed (Pak)

aslam
GO PACERS!!!

by **rk_use..** » Fri, 15 Feb 2002 00:11:54

Quote:

> Other current bowlers with a ratio of over 25%:
> 27.78 60 216 J Srinath (Ind)

Really!!!!!!!!!!

I think this stats blows away lot of myths about
JS.

Myth # 1: JS bowls short most of the time.

For a batsman to be caught behind, the ball has to be pitched
up. Too short a ball, it will beat the edge also.

Myth # 2: JS can't bowl out***s for nuts.
Hmm... caught behind with in***s, unless the
batsman is a south-paw.

Interesting to see that Kapil is not in the list, even
with his legendary out***.

RK-

by **samarth harish sha** » Fri, 15 Feb 2002 00:58:13

Quote:

> > Other current bowlers with a ratio of over 25%:
> > 27.78 60 216 J Srinath (Ind)

> Really!!!!!!!!!!

> I think this stats blows away lot of myths about
> JS.

> Myth # 1: JS bowls short most of the time.

> For a batsman to be caught behind, the ball has to be pitched
> up. Too short a ball, it will beat the edge also.

It might be interesting to see how the caught-behinds are spread out.
Srinath has been pitching it up more consistently as his career has
progressed. Earlier, he only pitched it up during a particularly deadly
spell.

Quote:

> Myth # 2: JS can't bowl out***s for nuts.
> Hmm... caught behind with in***s, unless the
> batsman is a south-paw.

No, this could be because he bowled a straight ball as a change rather
than his "stock" deliver i.e. the in***. Doesn't necessarily mean he
possesses a good out***. Kapil has a lot of LBWs and even bowleds in
his dismissals. Does it mean he had a very good in***? No. His
in*** was only passable even when he was at his best. (At his best,
OTOH, his out*** was lethal.) Most of the LBWs came because in the
middle of a bunch of out***s, he could bowl a ball that held its line.

Quote:

> Interesting to see that Kapil is not in the list, even
> with his legendary out***.

Also shows what JS would've done with a better WK. Recent times (when he's
been at his best), he's had to put up with MSK Prasad, SS Karim, Dighe,
lacklustre Nayan Mongia (he was good earlier), Deep Dasgupta, etc.
Generally, as even RSCers agree, quality of Indian WKs these days is
pathetic. Imagine if he had Healy behind the wickets during his best
years. I can recall Mongia muffing multiple chances off Srinath at
Calcutta vs RSA in 1996-7 on the first morning.

Kapil, OTOH, had Kirmani at his best for the most part and then had the
better part of More's career (pre-1990).

-Samarth [ woulda, shoulda, coulda... ].

by **Ravi Krishn** » Fri, 15 Feb 2002 01:28:26

> It might be interesting to see how the caught-behinds are spread out.
> Srinath has been pitching it up more consistently as his career has
> progressed. Earlier, he only pitched it up during a particularly deadly
> spell.

My thoughts also. Without even checking scorecard I can
tell that his bowled has gone down in recent years, in line
with decline in his speed. Between 1996/1999 he had a high
% of bowled/LBW, mostly due to pace.

> No, this could be because he bowled a straight ball as a change rather
> than his "stock" deliver i.e. the in***. Doesn't necessarily mean he
> possesses a good out***.

Yup. This sounds most likely.

> Also shows what JS would've done with a better WK. Recent times (when
he's
> been at his best), he's had to put up with MSK Prasad, SS Karim, Dighe,
> lacklustre Nayan Mongia (he was good earlier), Deep Dasgupta, etc.
> Generally, as even RSCers agree, quality of Indian WKs these days is
> pathetic. Imagine if he had Healy behind the wickets during his best
> years. I can recall Mongia muffing multiple chances off Srinath at
> Calcutta vs RSA in 1996-7 on the first morning.
>
> Kapil, OTOH, had Kirmani at his best for the most part and then had the
> better part of More's career (pre-1990).

True. When I use to see Kapil suffering from pathetic slip
fielding of SMG+GRV+DBV, I use to think no one is more
unfortunate. Well Srinath is.

On a different note, and not as a Kapil bashing. Shouldn't
the present speed of JS be still quicker than what Kapil was
from 1981-1983. Kapil from 1978 to 1980 was probabaly at
the same speed like present JS. But after that he slowed
down. If my assumption is correct,
JS could still be an effective force in test cricket if he
can pitch it up and make the ball swing. He can *no longer*
get a wkt by pace as he use to. The ball with which he took
the wkt of McMillan in the Kanpur 1996 test is a perfect example
of wkt by pace. McMillan's bat was still coming down
when his off stump was castled. It was so good to see an indian
bowler taking a wkt by pace.

RK-

by **Yuk Tan** » Fri, 15 Feb 2002 05:29:05

Quote:

> Here are the bowlers with high percentage of 'caught behind'
> dismissals in their Test careers (qualification: at least 100 wickets
> in Test career; D=caught behind dismissals).

Does caught at deep backward square from a long hop count as caught behind?
If so, I should think that Botham's ranking should improve a fair bit.

Cheers, ymt.

by **des** » Fri, 15 Feb 2002 09:41:31

Quote:

> > It might be interesting to see how the caught-behinds are spread out.
> > Srinath has been pitching it up more consistently as his career has
> > progressed. Earlier, he only pitched it up during a particularly deadly
> > spell.

> My thoughts also. Without even checking scorecard I can
> tell that his bowled has gone down in recent years, in line
> with decline in his speed. Between 1996/1999 he had a high
> % of bowled/LBW, mostly due to pace.

> > No, this could be because he bowled a straight ball as a change rather
> > than his "stock" deliver i.e. the in***. Doesn't necessarily mean he
> > possesses a good out***.

> Yup. This sounds most likely.

> > Also shows what JS would've done with a better WK. Recent times (when
> he's
> > been at his best), he's had to put up with MSK Prasad, SS Karim, Dighe,
> > lacklustre Nayan Mongia (he was good earlier), Deep Dasgupta, etc.
> > Generally, as even RSCers agree, quality of Indian WKs these days is
> > pathetic. Imagine if he had Healy behind the wickets during his best
> > years. I can recall Mongia muffing multiple chances off Srinath at
> > Calcutta vs RSA in 1996-7 on the first morning.

> > Kapil, OTOH, had Kirmani at his best for the most part and then had the
> > better part of More's career (pre-1990).

> True. When I use to see Kapil suffering from pathetic slip
> fielding of SMG+GRV+DBV, I use to think no one is more
> unfortunate. Well Srinath is.

> On a different note, and not as a Kapil bashing. Shouldn't
> the present speed of JS be still quicker than what Kapil was
> from 1981-1983. Kapil from 1978 to 1980 was probabaly at
> the same speed like present JS. But after that he slowed
> down. If my assumption is correct,
> JS could still be an effective force in test cricket if he
> can pitch it up and make the ball swing.

Add to that his ability to get the ball kick off good length, caught
at forward short leg ,

He can *no longer*

- Show quoted text -

Quote:

> get a wkt by pace as he use to. The ball with which he took
> the wkt of McMillan in the Kanpur 1996 test is a perfect example
> of wkt by pace. McMillan's bat was still coming down
> when his off stump was castled. It was so good to see an indian
> bowler taking a wkt by pace.

> RK-

by **Pau** » Sun, 17 Feb 2002 11:13:35

.

Quote:

> Also shows what JS would've done with a better WK. Recent times (when he's
> been at his best), he's had to put up with MSK Prasad, SS Karim, Dighe,
> lacklustre Nayan Mongia (he was good earlier), Deep Dasgupta, etc.
> Generally, as even RSCers agree, quality of Indian WKs these days is
> pathetic. Imagine if he had Healy behind the wickets during his best
> years. I can recall Mongia muffing multiple chances off Srinath at
> Calcutta vs RSA in 1996-7 on the first morning.

'Muffing' chances?
Thats a good one!!

by **Pau** » Sun, 17 Feb 2002 11:16:14

Quote:

> > Here are the bowlers with high percentage of 'caught behind'
> > dismissals in their Test careers (qualification: at least 100 wickets
> > in Test career; D=caught behind dismissals).

> Does caught at deep backward square from a long hop count as caught behind?
> If so, I should think that Botham's ranking should improve a fair bit.

> Cheers, ymt.

Nope

In fact i belive most catches at deep square and long on shouldnt
really count as bowler wicket, most likely he bowled such a shite ball
the batsman had no alternative than to crowd it, but did not have
enough arm

by **R. Bharat Ra** » Mon, 18 Feb 2002 02:27:34

Quote:

> > Other current bowlers with a ratio of over 25%:
> > 27.78 60 216 J Srinath (Ind)

> Really!!!!!!!!!!

> I think this stats blows away lot of myths about
> JS.

That did surprise me somewhat.. I agree.

Quote:

> Myth # 1: JS bowls short most of the time.

> For a batsman to be caught behind, the ball has to be pitched
> up. Too short a ball, it will beat the edge also.

Fair enough... But on the placid Indian pitches, this may not be
true of balls just short of length (i.e., you can get c-behind off
balls that are good length or just short-of; unlike abroad, where
the ball will either cut or climb too much after pitching).

Quote:

> Myth # 2: JS can't bowl out***s for nuts.
> Hmm... caught behind with in***s, unless the
> batsman is a south-paw.

This isn't a myth. Srinath does not have an out-***.
What he does have is a well-disguised straight ball.
He gets most of his caught behinds and caught in slips
of either that delivery or the one that climbs up on
the batsman.

On that note, I doubt I'll ever forget a sequence of 3-balls
(Rohan may remember this; we saw it together) by Srinath

Azhar scored 140-odd to set up an Indian win). Two
consecutive viscious incutters that literally sawed Hilditch in
half; one of them thudded into his midriff, the other going
between gloves and body, Mongia collecting down the
next side. All 3 of us watching agreed that the next ball
ought to be Srinath's "straight one" -- heh, I have that ball
down; its the cutter I lack:-) Unfortunately Mongia didn't
think so, and was already moving down the leg side as
the straight ball got the edge, and he had to come back and
fluffed an easy take.

Incidentlly, w.r.to Myth 1, Srinath bowled Hilditch later in
the innings. Yes, it wasn't a caught behind, but it was a
short ball, bowled very quick, that beat him and took the
off bail. Abroad the same ball would have sailed over the
stumps by a foot and beaten the bat easily. Home, it was one
the batsman *had* to play at; this I think Srinath has
successfully got quite a few caught behinds at home without
really pitching it up.

What would be interesting (Aslam, could you do the honors
please) would be to show the home and away %ages of
caught behinds of the various bowlers on the list. If Srinath's
home-and-away c-b%ages are roughly similar, I'll withdraw
whatever I've said above, but I'd suspect that it could well

Quote:

> Interesting to see that Kapil is not in the list, even
> with his legendary out***.

I'd suspect that if you looked at his first 200 wickets you would
find a high %age of cbw (maybe even as high as Srinath). Again
just a guess...

Bharat
--
R. Bharat Rao

"The lunatic is in the hall
The lunatics are in my hall
The paper holds their folded faces to the floor
And every day the paper boy brings more."
Pink Floyd, "Brain Damage"

Quote:

> RK-

by **Andrew Dunfor** » Tue, 19 Feb 2002 05:01:15

Quote:

> > > Other current bowlers with a ratio of over 25%:
> > > 27.78 60 216 J Srinath (Ind)

> > Really!!!!!!!!!!

> > I think this stats blows away lot of myths about
> > JS.

> That did surprise me somewhat.. I agree.

> > Myth # 1: JS bowls short most of the time.

> > For a batsman to be caught behind, the ball has to be pitched
> > up. Too short a ball, it will beat the edge also.

> Fair enough... But on the placid Indian pitches, this may not be
> true of balls just short of length (i.e., you can get c-behind off
> balls that are good length or just short-of; unlike abroad, where
> the ball will either cut or climb too much after pitching).

> > Myth # 2: JS can't bowl out***s for nuts.
> > Hmm... caught behind with in***s, unless the
> > batsman is a south-paw.

> This isn't a myth. Srinath does not have an out-***.
> What he does have is a well-disguised straight ball.
> He gets most of his caught behinds and caught in slips
> of either that delivery or the one that climbs up on
> the batsman.

> On that note, I doubt I'll ever forget a sequence of 3-balls
> (Rohan may remember this; we saw it together) by Srinath

> Azhar scored 140-odd to set up an Indian win). Two
> consecutive viscious incutters that literally sawed Hilditch in
> half; one of them thudded into his midriff, the other going
> between gloves and body, Mongia collecting down the
> next side. All 3 of us watching agreed that the next ball
> ought to be Srinath's "straight one" -- heh, I have that ball
> down; its the cutter I lack:-) Unfortunately Mongia didn't
> think so, and was already moving down the leg side as
> the straight ball got the edge, and he had to come back and
> fluffed an easy take.

> Incidentlly, w.r.to Myth 1, Srinath bowled Hilditch later in
> the innings. Yes, it wasn't a caught behind, but it was a
> short ball, bowled very quick, that beat him and took the
> off bail. Abroad the same ball would have sailed over the
> stumps by a foot and beaten the bat easily. Home, it was one
> the batsman *had* to play at; this I think Srinath has
> successfully got quite a few caught behinds at home without
> really pitching it up.

A good story, but I hope you mean Andrew Hudson. Hilditch would have
already been out by then, hooking Srinath's warm-up long hop down fine leg's
throat.

Andrew

by **R. Bharat Ra** » Tue, 19 Feb 2002 05:19:19

Quote:

> A good story, but I hope you mean Andrew Hudson. Hilditch would have
> already been out by then, hooking Srinath's warm-up long hop down fine
leg's
> throat.

Nahhh... I think he'd have picked the ball up and been out HTB:-)

Yes, you are right of course, it was Hudson...

Bharat [senility creeping in]
--
R. Bharat Rao

"The lunatic is in the hall
The lunatics are in my hall
The paper holds their folded faces to the floor
And every day the paper boy brings more."
Pink Floyd, "Brain Damage"

by **Takla Saan** » Tue, 19 Feb 2002 06:09:56

Quote:

>> A good story, but I hope you mean Andrew Hudson. Hilditch would have
>> already been out by then, hooking Srinath's warm-up long hop down fine
> leg's
>> throat.

> Nahhh... I think he'd have picked the ball up and been out HTB:-)

> Yes, you are right of course, it was Hudson...

Yeah, you'd better watch it.
Mixing up your Andrew's is not a crime readily forgiven in some quarters.
It's been speculated that one such mix-up in some paediatrics ward
resulted in the fellow we know as Hudson being robbed of his entitlement
to the Dukedom of York.

Quote:

> Bharat [senility creeping in]
> --
> R. Bharat Rao

> "The lunatic is in the hall
> The lunatics are in my hall
> The paper holds their folded faces to the floor
> And every day the paper boy brings more."
> Pink Floyd, "Brain Damage"

by **Gerr** » Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:15:47

Quote:

> Hi Aslam,

> Do you have similar stats for % of dismissals that are caught behind?

> Cheers

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Here are the bowlers with high percentage of 'caught behind'
> dismissals in their Test careers (qualification: at least 100 wickets
> in Test career; D=caught behind dismissals).

> % D Wkts
> 31.71 39 123 EJ Chatfield (NZ)
> 30.65 38 124 DG Cork (Eng)
> 30.40 100 329 AA Donald (SAf)
> 29.81 48 161 IR Bishop (WI)
> 29.20 33 113 BA Reid (Aus)
> 28.70 33 115 GG Arnold (Eng)
> 28.46 35 123 RM Hogg (Aus)
> 28.13 54 192 WW Hall (WI)
> 27.93 31 111 BR Taylor (NZ)
> 27.89 53 190 WPUJC Vaas (SL)

Here in Australia there was a book published called "Caught Marsh bowled Lillee"
In view of this it seems strange that Lillee is not in the top 10.
Can you tell me where he sits? And how many of them were caught Marsh?
Thanks.
Gerrit

by **Aslam Siddiq** » Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:25:46

Quote:

> > Hi Aslam,

> > Do you have similar stats for % of dismissals that are caught behind?

> > Cheers

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > Here are the bowlers with high percentage of 'caught behind'
> > dismissals in their Test careers (qualification: at least 100 wickets
> > in Test career; D=caught behind dismissals).

> > % D Wkts
> > 31.71 39 123 EJ Chatfield (NZ)
> > 30.65 38 124 DG Cork (Eng)
> > 30.40 100 329 AA Donald (SAf)
> > 29.81 48 161 IR Bishop (WI)
> > 29.20 33 113 BA Reid (Aus)
> > 28.70 33 115 GG Arnold (Eng)
> > 28.46 35 123 RM Hogg (Aus)
> > 28.13 54 192 WW Hall (WI)
> > 27.93 31 111 BR Taylor (NZ)
> > 27.89 53 190 WPUJC Vaas (SL)

> Here in Australia there was a book published called "Caught Marsh bowled Lillee"
> In view of this it seems strange that Lillee is not in the top 10.
> Can you tell me where he sits? And how many of them were caught Marsh?
> Thanks.
> Gerrit

Ninety-seven of Lillee's 355 Test victims were caught behind, or
27.32%. He is 12th on the list (Srinath of India is 11th).

Here is a list of bowlers who had at least 40 of their Test victims
caught by one player. The number of catches is in the first column.
The second column gives the number of Tests in which the two players
appeared together and the third column gives the number of wickets
obtained by the bowler in those matches. Bowlers are listed first.

Ms W
95 69 352 DK Lillee/RW Marsh (Aus)
71 68 334 MD Marshall/PJL Dujon (WI)
60 51 222 IT Botham/RW Taylor (Eng)
58 52 239 GD McGrath/IA Healy (Aus)
55 48 217 CJ McDermott/IA Healy (Aus)
53 34 155 AA Donald/MV Boucher (SAf)
51 66 310 SK Warne/MA Taylor (Aus)
51 67 254 Kapil Dev/SMH Kirmani (Ind)
49 48 205 SM Pollock/MV Boucher (SAf)
47 37 174 AA Donald/DJ Richardson (SAf)
46 46 191 MG Hughes/IA Healy (Aus)
44 28 140 AK Davidson/ATW Grout (Aus)
43 49 256 RJ Hadlee/IDS Smith (NZ)
41 55 221 D Gough/AJ Stewart (Eng)
40 28 133 GD McGrath/AC Gilchrist (Aus)

Best for other countries:
39 47 170 HH Streak/A Flower (Zim)
36 45 206 Imran Khan/Wasim Bari (Pak)
31 36 245 M Muralitharan/DPM Jayawardene (SL)
4 8 17 Manjural Islam/Khaled Masud (BD)
4 4 12 Mashrafe Bin Mortaza/Khaled Masud (BD)

aslam
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