Graeme Hick

Graeme Hick

Post by Brendan Jon » Fri, 04 Nov 1994 07:46:29



Quote:
> One thing that the match between WA and England has shown is that Graeme
> Hick is capable of continuing his form of the summer overseas...
> He now seems to have overcome the hurdle that the transition to test
> cricket seemed to create.

I didn't realise that Western Australia had been elevated by the ICC
to Test status.

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Graeme Hick

Post by Vendet » Fri, 04 Nov 1994 08:09:52

Graeme Hick...........the new Bradman

What a joke

Continues to fail even in the age of helmets and softcock laws about
bouncers.....

there is no substitute for technique, ticker and footwork

He is the greatest ***er in world cricket

 
 
 

Graeme Hick

Post by Mike Robert Brew » Sun, 06 Nov 1994 04:25:45

Quote:


>> One thing that the match between WA and England has shown is that Graeme
>> Hick is capable of continuing his form of the summer overseas...
>> He now seems to have overcome the hurdle that the transition to test
>> cricket seemed to create.

>I didn't realise that Western Australia had been elevated by the ICC
>to Test status.

Somehow I think it's blatantly obvious that wasn't the point of the
original comment, don't you? All that was said was that Hick showed good
form in the summer (at test and county level), and seems to have
overcome the test hurdle, at least to some extent. And his 172 against
WA shows he is capable of continuing his form.

And one of the previous postings on this subject basically slagged off
Graeme Hick, saying something like "Graeme Hick.. the next Bradman
(scoff scoff)". I think comments like that are just plain dumb. Graeme
never claimed to be the next Bradman, and anyone attempting to label
him (or any other cricketer) as such is being mindlessly stupid and
unfair. I think that people should just get off Hick's back. Most
people fail to notice that his Test average, discounting his first
few, is right up there with the best of the present bunch. There may
be a large discrepancy between his test and first-class average, but
then with a first-class record like his, I think most
sides would be happy to settle for a slight margin of discrepancy. When your
first-class average is 45 and your Test average
is 45 then people say you're a natural test-player. But when your
first-class average is 65 and your test average is 45, you are slagged
off. I don't get it. (And I havent got the exact figures on me, but I
know that Hick's recent test average is not far off that).

Mike B.

PS.  To pre-empt anyone... discounting the first few tests is _not_
the same as just taking away all the bad scores to make things look
better. My hypothesis is that Hick is a slow starter, and to test that
hypothesis you look at the latter-game average. If that is ***too,
then, OK, maybe he is no good. But as yet, the latter half of his
tests show that he is not really as bad a test player as many make out.

 
 
 

Graeme Hick

Post by Rick Ey » Sun, 06 Nov 1994 11:09:53

In a message of 03 Nov 94 Ng, Kai Koon wrote to All:

 NKK> BTW, remember that the only recognised international frontline bowler
 NKK> in the  WA side is Bruce Reid, who has only a handful of international
 NKK> test matches  under his belt.

I think Bruce Reid deserves better than that!  I would say that he has been
Australia's best attacking pace bowler over the last decade, with only
(frequent) injuries preventing him from being around the 250-300 wicket mark
for Australia.  (He has 113 wickets at 24.63 from 27 Tests).


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Graeme Hick

Post by Hootma Ho » Sun, 06 Nov 1994 15:55:37



Quote:

> And one of the previous postings on this subject basically slagged off
> Graeme Hick, saying something like "Graeme Hick.. the next Bradman
> (scoff scoff)". I think comments like that are just plain dumb. Graeme
> never claimed to be the next Bradman, and anyone attempting to label
> him (or any other cricketer) as such is being mindlessly stupid and
> unfair. I think that people should just get off Hick's back.

I think the point of the slagging was that for all the hype, he is
HUMAN....

but, nonetheless, he remains genuiinely suspect against test quality
bowling.
Helmuts and rule changes about short pitched bowling, make it possible for
blokes like Hick to play at test level with a flawed technique. He will
want to lift his game against the spinners too, because we will surely have
some local advantage in the preparation of wickets.....

Regards

Hootma

 
 
 

Graeme Hick

Post by marshallsay timot » Sat, 05 Nov 1994 23:08:07

I am a bit out of touch with this group, but do my eyes deceive me or is
Graeme Hick finally starting to make some runs? I do hope so......
 
 
 

Graeme Hick

Post by Harish Chandramou » Tue, 08 Nov 1994 19:44:33


 >  My hypothesis is that Hick is a slow starter, and to test that
 >  hypothesis you look at the latter-game average. If that is ***too,
 >  then, OK, maybe he is no good. But as yet, the latter half of his
                                                   -----------
 >  tests show that he is not really as bad a test player as many make out.
    -----

Quote:
>> Eureka! You're a genius mike - no wonder the fellow has a hard time

   scoring in the first few tests of a series - he does make up for it
   towards the end at times, doesnt he? All England have to do now is
   to make sure that they drop him for the first 3 tests and then pick
   him for the last 2 - that way there'll be no way Hick can possibly
   'fail'......

Cheers........Harish[Big Hick ton in the 4th test :-)]

P.S:On a serious note, you must admit - his inability to cope with the
    short ball is rather worrying - a weakness which iam sure Merv
    et al will test time and time again.

 
 
 

Graeme Hick

Post by Mike Robert Brew » Sat, 12 Nov 1994 07:40:23


Quote:
>P.S:On a serious note, you must admit - his inability to cope with the
>    short ball is rather worrying - a weakness which iam sure Merv
>    et al will test time and time again.

        Actually I think it's a weakness on Merv et al's part. I just
have this feeling that Merv will be collecting the ball from the river
time and time again :)  Hick is a pretty passive, genial guy who
never resorts to mouthing insults at his opponents, or glaring down
the pitch at them. However I couldn't help but notice him getting a little
jippy with Merv and his antics last time. The confrontation should be
fun.....

Mike B.

 
 
 

Graeme Hick

Post by Ng, Kai Ko » Mon, 07 Nov 1994 06:11:32

This has really nothing much to do with the discussion, but in the match
against South Australia, Hick made a century, and after that was dimissed, not
by a ***, or spin, but he slipped, and knocked his bales over.  Has to be
one of the saddest way to go.

Why does these things always happen to the Poms?  The last I heard of a
'unconventional' dismissal was when Goochie handled the ball in the last Ashes
series.

Cheers
********************************************************
Ng, Kai Koon
University of Tasmania, Australia
Electrical & Electronics Engineering

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Graeme Hick

Post by Jon Knig » Sun, 13 Nov 1994 20:03:01



Quote:
>Except that I think that Merv has a snowflake chance in hell of making
>the
>Test side.  McDermott, McGrath, and Fleming are all in good form.  I
>suppose
>the only way any would be dropped from the squad is injury.  Even then,
>there
>is Reiffel waiting in the wings.

>Also, considering Merv's 'advance' age, I don't think he would play in
>the A
>side either.

>Maybe in a Victoria v England game?

But isn't Merv like the Ian Botham of old. He puts alot of heart into
his game, and things just happen. Australia with Merv in have so much
more fire in their (in some cases rather large) bellies. It wouldn't
surprise me if he played a part. Certainly the Sunday Times seem to
think Merv will play. It's no surprise he doesn't tour, he doesn't
travel at all well - apart from pommie bashing that is...

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Graeme Hick

Post by Syed M. A » Sun, 13 Nov 1994 22:58:20



]>
]> >>P.S:On a serious note, you must admit - his inability to cope with the
]> >>    short ball is rather worrying - a weakness which iam sure Merv
]> >>    et al will test time and time again.
]>
]> >        Actually I think it's a weakness on Merv et al's part. I just
]> >have this feeling that Merv will be collecting the ball from the river
]> >time and time again :)  Hick is a pretty passive, genial guy who
]> >never resorts to mouthing insults at his opponents, or glaring down
]> >the pitch at them. However I couldn't help but notice him getting a little
]> >jippy with Merv and his antics last time. The confrontation should be
]> >fun.....
]>
]> Except that I think that Merv has a snowflake chance in hell of making the
]> Test side.  McDermott, McGrath, and Fleming are all in good form.  I suppose
]> the only way any would be dropped from the squad is injury.  Even then, there
]> is Reiffel waiting in the wings.
]>
]> Also, considering Merv's 'advance' age, I don't think he would play in the A
]> side either.
]>
]> Maybe in a Victoria v England game?
]> ********************************************************
]> Ng, Kai Koon

        Admittedly   Hick   does  have a    problem with short-pitched
deliveries, but  I don't think   that's the reason   of his failure in
test-cricket.  IMO, the main reason is some mental-block in making the
transition to  the test level,    which apparently he's been  able  to
remove  recently.   His case  is   very  similar  to  that of  Mansoor
Akhtar...the guy was immensely  talented (still usually remains in the
top-ten batsmen  in the domestic cricket),  was tipped by Rohan Kanhai
as a bright prospect for Pakistan, but he failed  to deliver the goods
at the  international level.  There was  a time in  his career, around
1982-83,  when people started  believing  that  he's finally going  to
perform  at the highest  level as  he was  doing   in the  first class
matches.  The man scored thrashed the  county attacks in the 1982 tour
of  England, but scored  only half  as  decently in  the  tests.  Then
against the visiting Australians   (the series Pakistan won 3-0),   he
scored a  century, but then  inexplicably had a long-lasting bad form,
which eventually resulted in his ouster.  Hick  is coming good after a
string of failures in his early career.  The coming series, I believe,
should be make or break for him.  If he performs  well he'd be able to
cement his place in the team  for the years  to come, else for one I'd
take his career to be either all-over or at best, almost over.

Syed
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Graeme Hick

Post by Ng, Kai Ko » Mon, 14 Nov 1994 07:45:27

Quote:

>But isn't Merv like the Ian Botham of old. He puts alot of heart into
>his game, and things just happen. Australia with Merv in have so much
>more fire in their (in some cases rather large) bellies. It wouldn't
>surprise me if he played a part. Certainly the Sunday Times seem to
>think Merv will play. It's no surprise he doesn't tour, he doesn't
>travel at all well - apart from pommie bashing that is...

I think the only way Merv might play is perhaps a shock loss to England in any
of the Test matches.  Otherwise, it seems unlikely.

Besides, his form in the domestic competition, both one-dayers, and Sheffield
Shield, has been quite ordinary.  There seems to be quite a few fast bowlers
who are in a bit of form this year, Greg Rowell, Carl Rackermann, Paul
Reiffel, Shane Lee, among others.

Also, Merv seems to be on the wrong side of the selectors.

********************************************************
Ng, Kai Koon
University of Tasmania, Australia
Electrical & Electronics Engineering

********************************************************

"I am become death, the destroyer of worlds"
J. Robert Oppenheimer, quoting Krishna, from the Gita

 
 
 

Graeme Hick

Post by Mike Robert Brew » Wed, 16 Nov 1994 23:18:31


Quote:
>The coming series, I believe,
>should be make or break for him.  If he performs  well he'd be able to
>cement his place in the team  for the years  to come, else for one I'd
>take his career to be either all-over or at best, almost over.

I've heard that one before.. in fact before almost every series England has
played since Hick's debut against the WI. Since he is still playing
for England, and since people are still talking about his _apparent_
failure at test level, I think that such predictions are unwise. Or
could it be that most people are just jumping on the "Hick is crap"
bandwagon because everyone else seems to be on it, whilst not noticing
that his test form has not been too bad really.

Besides, given the fact that Gatting was chosen for the tour, is there
really anyone else in English cricket at the moment that stands out
above Hick as being more suitable at international level? It's not
very constructive pointing out a problem if you propose no way of
fixing it.

Mike B.

 
 
 

Graeme Hick

Post by ? » Wed, 16 Nov 1994 22:12:39

Quote:

>Except that I think that Merv has a snowflake chance in hell of making the
>Test side.

Who want's to give me 2 to 1 that Merv plays in the first test?  Australia
needs an enforcer, and Merv's the man!!  Save the McGraths, Flemings and
Reiffels for the ODI's, I say!!
 
 
 

Graeme Hick

Post by Syed M. A » Thu, 17 Nov 1994 05:25:14



]>
]> >The coming series, I believe,
]> >should be make or break for him.  If he performs  well he'd be able to
]> >cement his place in the team  for the years  to come, else for one I'd
]> >take his career to be either all-over or at best, almost over.
]>
]>
]> I've heard that one before.. in fact before almost every series England has
]> played since Hick's debut against the WI. Since he is still playing
]> for England, and since people are still talking about his _apparent_
]> failure at test level, I think that such predictions are unwise. Or
]> could it be that most people are just jumping on the "Hick is crap"
]> bandwagon because everyone else seems to be on it, whilst not noticing
]> that his test form has not been too bad really.

        It's  convenient to select one piece  from an article and make
your point.  The point is Hick is yet  to score against strong bowling
sides, despite his recent good  form (which BTW  I  did mention in  my
article and which you so conveniently deleted :-)

]> Besides, given the fact that Gatting was chosen for the tour, is there
]> really anyone else in English cricket at the moment that stands out
]> above Hick as being more suitable at international level? It's not
]> very constructive pointing out a problem if you propose no way of
]> fixing it.
]>
]> Mike B.

        Whatever people say  about Gatting, IMO,  Gooch and he are the
best  batsmen  England   have at  present.   I  never  claimed  to  be
constructive,   and  what's    the point....England don't    have  six
test-class batsmen at  present, so they're going  to stick with clowns
like Craig White :-((

                     Bring David Gower back !!!!

Syed
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