Graeme Hick

Graeme Hick

Post by Jon Simon » Thu, 03 Nov 1994 22:05:27


One thing that the match between WA and England has shown is that Graeme
Hick is capable of continuing his form of the summer overseas. To many
commentators this was one of the important factors that would determine
the level of England success on this tour. His innings of 172, including
five successive 4s in one over, was an innings typical of his demolition
of county attacks in England. He now seems to have overcome the hurdle
that the transition to test cricket seemed to create.

Devon Malcolm also appears to have hit a patch of Ambrosia. If he can
keep this form up, who knows what might happen in the test matches.

Does anybody have details of the seriousness of Benjamin's injury?

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Graeme Hick

Post by Eu Hin Ch » Fri, 04 Nov 1994 18:05:02


: Hang on, while the WA side is stronger than the average county side (I think),
: it is still another step to International Test match level, where Hick has
: been failing.  It's a bit like Cullinan, which was supposed to be the new
: Pollock.  He came to Australia, and failed miserably.

: Personally, I think Hick is going to do well in the first-class matches, but
: will struggle in the Test matches.  I tip him to be in the XI for the first 2
: tests, and dropped for the rest of the tour.

: BTW, remember that the only recognised international frontline bowler in the
: WA side is Bruce Reid, who has only a handful of international test matches
: under his belt.  I honestly cannot see Hick doing as well against McDermott,
: McGrath, and Warne.

        Just a couple of nit-picks; Reid has actually played 20 plus
tests, with over 100 wickets. On his home ground, the WACA, it'd
be fair to say he's a pretty good bowler. As for the others, Cary
was making his first class debut, Jamie Stewart is a steady if
unspectacular spinner, and Craig Coulson is, well, an ok seamer.

: >Devon Malcolm also appears to have hit a patch of Ambrosia. If he can
: >keep this form up, who knows what might happen in the test matches.

: Again, the WA side has only two batsman with International experience, Martyn,
: and Moody.  While Malcolm was good in the first innings, his second was not
: exactly a match-winning performance.  If Malcom can perform as well in the
: Test series, he might trouble the Aussies, but I seriously doubt that.

        And Michael Veletta, ex-jack-of-all-trades.

: Actually, if the Poms are going to win any of the Test matches, it would be
: the batsmen.  Atherton, Stewart, Gooch, and co. must fire and provide a big
: total for their bowlers to defend.  Gatting has no business in Oz.  Thrope
: looks promising, though.

        Agreed, Gatting is a joke (he CAN'T make me look stupid and go
and score a few runs now, can he?). I liked the look of Crawley, but
it seems to me he seems better suited at three than at six.

: Cheers
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: University of Tasmania, Australia
: Electrical & Electronics Engineering

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Graeme Hick

Post by Joshua Saunde » Fri, 04 Nov 1994 05:28:05


Quote:

> One thing that the match between WA and England has shown is that Graeme
> Hick is capable of continuing his form of the summer overseas. To many
> commentators this was one of the important factors that would determine
> the level of England success on this tour. His innings of 172, including
> five successive 4s in one over, was an innings typical of his demolition
> of county attacks in England. He now seems to have overcome the hurdle
> that the transition to test cricket seemed to create.

"He now seems to have overcome the hurdle that the transition to test
cricket seemed to create."

Who remembers what Hick did to Warne in the county game they played in
1993?  I believe his score was even similar - 180 ish??

Now who remembers what he did to Warne in the tests? Ahh - I reckon that is
less memorable.  Congratulations Graeme, I'm sure you have a better grip on
reality than your fans.

Actually I quite like Graeme Hick - it's a real disappointment that he has
continued to fail at test level.  It's good that he's in form.  But....

Quote:

> Devon Malcolm also appears to have hit a patch of Ambrosia. If he can
> keep this form up, who knows what might happen in the test matches.

Did all that could be expected - as I said elsewhere.

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Graeme Hick

Post by Jon Simon » Sat, 05 Nov 1994 20:23:20


Quote:

> >One thing that the match between WA and England has shown is that Graeme
> >Hick is capable of continuing his form of the summer overseas. To many
> >commentators this was one of the important factors that would determine
> >the level of England success on this tour. His innings of 172, including
> >five successive 4s in one over, was an innings typical of his demolition
> >of county attacks in England. He now seems to have overcome the hurdle
> >that the transition to test cricket seemed to create.

> Hang on, while the WA side is stronger than the average county side (I think),
> it is still another step to International Test match level, where Hick has
> been failing.  It's a bit like Cullinan, which was supposed to be the new
> Pollock.  He came to Australia, and failed miserably.

> Personally, I think Hick is going to do well in the first-class matches, but
> will struggle in the Test matches.  I tip him to be in the XI for the first 2
> tests, and dropped for the rest of the tour.

> BTW, remember that the only recognised international frontline bowler in the
> WA side is Bruce Reid, who has only a handful of international test matches
> under his belt.  I honestly cannot see Hick doing as well against McDermott,
> McGrath, and Warne.

> >Devon Malcolm also appears to have hit a patch of Ambrosia. If he can
> >keep this form up, who knows what might happen in the test matches.

> Again, the WA side has only two batsman with International experience, Martyn,
> and Moody.  While Malcolm was good in the first innings, his second was not
> exactly a match-winning performance.  If Malcom can perform as well in the
> Test series, he might trouble the Aussies, but I seriously doubt that.

> Actually, if the Poms are going to win any of the Test matches, it would be
> the batsmen.  Atherton, Stewart, Gooch, and co. must fire and provide a big
> total for their bowlers to defend.  Gatting has no business in Oz.  Thrope
> looks promising, though.

> Cheers
> ********************************************************
> Ng, Kai Koon
> University of Tasmania, Australia
> Electrical & Electronics Engineering

> ********************************************************

> "I am become death, the destroyer of worlds"
> J. Robert Oppenheimer, quoting Krishna, from the Gita

I agree that the WA side is not indicative of the kind of form England
can expect to come up against in the tests. The point I was making was
that it is Hick's confidence abroad that has been the main problem on
tours before. If he can get a few big scores early on, such as the 172
recently, this might carry him through into the tests.

We will see with Devon. Similarly, he is very much a confidence bowler.
If he gets fired up he is one of the fastest bowlers around. A few
wickets early on is as good as a bouncer to the helmet to most English
bowlers who tend to let their shoulders go down if nothing much goes
their way.

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Graeme Hick

Post by Eu Hin Ch » Sun, 06 Nov 1994 00:59:01

        [stuff deleted]

: We will see with Devon. Similarly, he is very much a confidence bowler.
: If he gets fired up he is one of the fastest bowlers around. A few
: wickets early on is as good as a bouncer to the helmet to most English
: bowlers who tend to let their shoulders go down if nothing much goes
: their way.

        My question is if Malcolm has ever been able to take wickets
consistently over a series, and not just during a single Test or innings
even. It seems to me his consistency and confidence is a very fickle
thing, his career over the last few years has been something like:
taking a good haul in a test, hyped up by the press, then being
thumped in the next few tests, dropped, recalled, bowl well again,
then get thumped, dropped, etc etc etc etc. At 31, how much more
can he improve?

        There's no doubt when he fires he's very effective; it just
seems to me he lacks something to light that fire. Actually, that
might not be true; dropping and recalling him a few months
later seems to help ;)
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It's always good to drop the story of the episode of Star Trek when Kirk
and Spock come back to the earth of the 60s. Finding a big old reel-to-
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that we can now agree with them.

 
 
 

Graeme Hick

Post by Andrew Da » Sun, 06 Nov 1994 03:38:37



Quote:
>Did Bruce Reid play only a "handful" of tests?!
>He looked pretty good to me when he played against
>India...what was the problem...injuries?!!

Yep, Brucie has had a bad back injury and has tried to make a comeback each
year for the past couple of years at least.  This time he looks as if he
 **might** make it.  Any left arm 2 meter tall fast bowler can be dangerous if
he's fit and angry

BTW Did you ever hear an Australian Comedian called the 12th Man?  He had a
great record out a few years ago (a couple actually) taking off the local
commentry team - and he had Bruce Reid snapping in two during an over, but they
taped him back up so that he could finish his over!

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Graeme Hick

Post by Jon Knig » Mon, 07 Nov 1994 23:28:20


|> "He now seems to have overcome the hurdle that the transition to test
|> cricket seemed to create."
|>
|> Who remembers what Hick did to Warne in the county game they played in
|> 1993?  I believe his score was even similar - 180 ish??
|>
There was me thinking that in 1993 he got intimidated by Merv Hughes,
who go him out for 34,22, and 20 in the first three Test Innings. Tim
May got him for 64 in the 2nd innings if the second test.

He was then dropped but was recalled for the Oval, making 80 and 36,
before falling to Tim May twice.

Now, Merv hughes was not playing when Hick made 187 for Worcestershire.
Now where's Shane now? However much he may have teased the other
England players, Hick had other demons.

|>Now who remembers what he did to Warne in the tests? Ahh - I reckon that is
|>less memorable.  Congratulations Graeme, I'm sure you have a better grip on
|>reality than your fans.
|>
|>Actually I quite like Graeme Hick - it's a real disappointment that he has
|>continued to fail at test level.  It's good that he's in form.  But....

I fancy Hick to smash Warne around a bit. If Hick goes out with the
confidence to dominate a spinner, there us a fair chance he will. It'll
be interesting anyway...

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Graeme Hick

Post by Tim Addison - Sun UK - Senior Systems Engine » Wed, 09 Nov 1994 01:50:28


Quote:
>    My question is if Malcolm has ever been able to take wickets
> consistently over a series, and not just during a single Test or innings
> even. It seems to me his consistency and confidence is a very fickle

No he hasn't, neither is he anywhere near as good a bowler as Lillee or
Thompson. However he is fast, and on his day is capable of taking out
the Australian top order, therefore it would be foolish of the Australian
side to dismiss him as a clown.

Tim

 
 
 

Graeme Hick

Post by Hamish La » Tue, 08 Nov 1994 08:02:47


Quote:

> Did Bruce Reid play only a "handful" of tests?!

I'd have said somewhere around 15-25, probably closer to 15.

Quote:
> He looked pretty good to me when he played against
> India...what was the problem...injuries?!!

        HE's been very effectivve when he could play but has had two back injuries
and a stuffed shoulder reducing his avvailability quite a lot. Now he's
probably not worth taking a punt on.
 
 
 

Graeme Hick

Post by Ng, Kai Ko » Sat, 05 Nov 1994 07:39:03


Quote:
>: Again, the WA side has only two batsman with International experience,

Martyn,>: and Moody.  While Malcolm was good in the first innings, his second
was not >: exactly a match-winning performance.  If Malcom can perform as well
in the >: Test series, he might trouble the Aussies, but I seriously doubt
that.

Quote:
>        And Michael Veletta, ex-jack-of-all-trades.

Oops, forgot about Mike.  Anyway, he was injured, wasn't, so had limited
influence on the game (right?)  :-)

Quote:
>: Actually, if the Poms are going to win any of the Test matches, it would be
>: the batsmen.  Atherton, Stewart, Gooch, and co. must fire and provide a big
>: total for their bowlers to defend.  Gatting has no business in Oz.  Thrope
>: looks promising, though.
>        Agreed, Gatting is a joke (he CAN'T make me look stupid and go
>and score a few runs now, can he?). I liked the look of Crawley, but
>it seems to me he seems better suited at three than at six.

Nah, come to think of it, I hope Gatting stays in the English team.  He made
the last Ashes series when he was bowled by Warney.  I can still remember the
look on his face.  If nothing else, it was ***y funny.

Cheers

********************************************************
Ng, Kai Koon
University of Tasmania, Australia
Electrical & Electronics Engineering

********************************************************

"I am become death, the destroyer of worlds"
J. Robert Oppenheimer, quoting Krishna, from the Gita

 
 
 

Graeme Hick

Post by Ng, Kai Ko » Fri, 04 Nov 1994 21:43:55


Quote:
>One thing that the match between WA and England has shown is that Graeme
>Hick is capable of continuing his form of the summer overseas. To many
>commentators this was one of the important factors that would determine
>the level of England success on this tour. His innings of 172, including
>five successive 4s in one over, was an innings typical of his demolition
>of county attacks in England. He now seems to have overcome the hurdle
>that the transition to test cricket seemed to create.

Hang on, while the WA side is stronger than the average county side (I think),
it is still another step to International Test match level, where Hick has
been failing.  It's a bit like Cullinan, which was supposed to be the new
Pollock.  He came to Australia, and failed miserably.

Personally, I think Hick is going to do well in the first-class matches, but
will struggle in the Test matches.  I tip him to be in the XI for the first 2
tests, and dropped for the rest of the tour.

BTW, remember that the only recognised international frontline bowler in the
WA side is Bruce Reid, who has only a handful of international test matches
under his belt.  I honestly cannot see Hick doing as well against McDermott,
McGrath, and Warne.

Quote:
>Devon Malcolm also appears to have hit a patch of Ambrosia. If he can
>keep this form up, who knows what might happen in the test matches.

Again, the WA side has only two batsman with International experience, Martyn,
and Moody.  While Malcolm was good in the first innings, his second was not
exactly a match-winning performance.  If Malcom can perform as well in the
Test series, he might trouble the Aussies, but I seriously doubt that.

Actually, if the Poms are going to win any of the Test matches, it would be
the batsmen.  Atherton, Stewart, Gooch, and co. must fire and provide a big
total for their bowlers to defend.  Gatting has no business in Oz.  Thrope
looks promising, though.

Cheers
********************************************************
Ng, Kai Koon
University of Tasmania, Australia
Electrical & Electronics Engineering

********************************************************

"I am become death, the destroyer of worlds"
J. Robert Oppenheimer, quoting Krishna, from the Gita

 
 
 

Graeme Hick

Post by Ng, Kai Ko » Sun, 06 Nov 1994 18:53:14


Quote:
>I agree that the WA side is not indicative of the kind of form England
>can expect to come up against in the tests. The point I was making was
>that it is Hick's confidence abroad that has been the main problem on
>tours before. If he can get a few big scores early on, such as the 172
>recently, this might carry him through into the tests.

I'm pretty sure that the major worry about Hick is carrying a good county form
into International cricket.  In the last Ashes series, he came into the first
Test with rather good scores in county cricket, then dropped after the first
(or second) test after failing miserably against the Aussies.  And this was
played in England.

Nah, I still stand by my view that he will continue to do well in the lead-up
matches (as in the current match against South Australia), but will struggle
in the Ashes Test series itself.

Quote:
>We will see with Devon. Similarly, he is very much a confidence bowler.
>If he gets fired up he is one of the fastest bowlers around. A few
>wickets early on is as good as a bouncer to the helmet to most English
>bowlers who tend to let their shoulders go down if nothing much goes
>their way.

Ol' Devon.  He will have a good game this series at the WACA (they are playng
a game there, aren't they), which is notoriously helpful to quicks (Allan
Donald was devastating in an ODI here last year).  Away from that, he will
struggle.  After his comment about 'fear in the eyes', I would say most of the
Australian batsmen will have something to prove against him, and will want to
smack a HUGE six off his bowling.  :)

Cheers

********************************************************
Ng, Kai Koon
University of Tasmania, Australia
Electrical & Electronics Engineering

********************************************************

"I am become death, the destroyer of worlds"
J. Robert Oppenheimer, quoting Krishna, from the Gita