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by **sl..** » Thu, 27 Apr 1995 04:00:00

How they catogorize fast, fast-medium and medium fast bowlers?
Does any body knows the criteria?
What speed ranges?

by **John Ha** » Fri, 28 Apr 1995 04:00:00

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> How they catogorize fast, fast-medium and medium fast bowlers?
> Does any body knows the criteria?
> What speed ranges?

Just a matter of opinion, I think. Bowlers' speed is not measured very
often, and in any case presumably will vary a little from one day to
the next depending on what sort of "rhythm" the bowler is in.
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by **Alexander Balfo** » Fri, 28 Apr 1995 04:00:00

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> Just a matter of opinion, I think. Bowlers' speed is not measured very
> often, and in any case presumably will vary a little from one day to
> the next depending on what sort of "rhythm" the bowler is in.

Perhaps the new TCCB speedgun to be used during the Eng/WI series will set
speed standards which can be correlated with terms like medium fast and fast
medium. Or commentators will simply say here's Ambrose a 96 mph right arm
over (or some new acronym- any suggestions?)

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by **Steve How** » Fri, 28 Apr 1995 04:00:00

: > How they catogorize fast, fast-medium and medium fast bowlers?
: > Does any body knows the criteria?
: > What speed ranges?
: >

: ***y good question that. What I've always wanted to know is what's the
: difference between medium-fast and fast-medium, and which is quicker? I
: am also of the belief that medium-fast is a phrase that has only been
: used over the last 2-3 years as I do not recall any mention of it in 15
: previous years of cricket fanaticism. As far as I know, the categories
: are pretty much guessed.

To give you an idea of speed, Wes Hall of the West Indies once had a
delivery clocked at 93mph. when playing in Queensland in 1963. He was one
of the fastest bowlers ever. He was classed as "RF" (Right Arm Fast).

He was also one of the scariest sights I've ever seen when in full flight.
He used to take looooong, ponderous run-ups starting almost at the
boundary, accelerating all the time until just before delivering. Imagine
how batsmen must have felt :)

"Fast-medium" or "medium-fast" bowlers are not as quite as quick, and tend
to concentrate more on good, consistent length, rather than overpowering
pace.

Scotty
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by **Luke** » Fri, 28 Apr 1995 04:00:00

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> How they catogorize fast, fast-medium and medium fast bowlers?
> Does any body knows the criteria?
> What speed ranges?

***y good question that. What I've always wanted to know is what's the
difference between medium-fast and fast-medium, and which is quicker? I
am also of the belief that medium-fast is a phrase that has only been
used over the last 2-3 years as I do not recall any mention of it in 15
previous years of cricket fanaticism. As far as I know, the categories
are pretty much guessed.

What is there to be in the coming years? A kind of boxing division of paces:
Super-fast, Fast-fast, Medium-fast, slow-fast, junior-slow-fast,
super-fast-medium, fast-medium, medium-medium,........slow, snail,
slow-snail, etc. Then maybe, we could have four different councils each
recognising different versions of these paces. Aaaaaaaaggggggggghhhhhhhhhh!!!

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by **Tony** » Sat, 29 Apr 1995 04:00:00

: How they catogorize fast, fast-medium and medium fast bowlers?
: Does any body knows the criteria?
: What speed ranges?

Fast : would easily knock your teeth out.

Medium : trundles them down, might swing or seam.

Slow : takes three steps run up and makes the *** go side ways.

Medium - Fast : Medium with Fast tendencies.

Fast - Medium : Fast with medium tendencies.

I think that's how the commentators see it.

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by **jin..** » Sat, 29 Apr 1995 04:00:00

This is how I remember it:

Fast > Medium-Fast > Fast-Medium > Medium > Slow
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^^
Thommo Kapil E.Chatfield?? M.Nazar M.Amarnath

by **Ravindra R** » Sat, 29 Apr 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

>>> (Tony B.) writes:

: How they catogorize fast, fast-medium and medium fast bowlers?

Quote:

> Fast : would easily knock your teeth out.
> Medium : trundles them down, might swing or seam.
> Slow : takes three steps run up and makes the *** go side ways.
> Medium - Fast : Medium with Fast tendencies.
> Fast - Medium : Fast with medium tendencies.
> I think that's how the commentators see it.

Don't think so. My understanding is that in a term such as
`medium fast', "medium" is the adverb and qualifies the adjective
"fast." Therefore to say "He is medium fast" is to say that this
bowler is not as quick as a someone who bowls "fast."

So, in order of increasing speed:

medium, fast medium, medium fast and fast.

With thanks to a poster who posted something similar some time ago.
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rnr/

by **Pramod Kos** » Sat, 29 Apr 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

>This is how I remember it:

>Fast > Medium-Fast > Fast-Medium > Medium > Slow
>^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^^
>Thommo Kapil E.Chatfield?? M.Nazar M.Amarnath

This is how it is. Fast - Srinath, Fast Medium - Wasim Akram ? ( not sure
about this one ) , Medium Fast - Manoj Prabhakar & Aquib Javed , Medium -
Madan Lal and Slow is M Amarnath.

I would have put Waqar Younis at fast but since as usual he is not playing I
think Srinath is a worthy replacement.

Pramod Koshy.

by **Zaki U. Kha** » Sat, 29 Apr 1995 04:00:00

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> This is how it is. Fast - Srinath, Fast Medium - Wasim Akram ? ( not sure
> about this one ) , Medium Fast - Manoj Prabhakar & Aquib Javed , Medium -
> Madan Lal and Slow is M Amarnath.

** Srinath, and fast? Hahahahah... Who's classifying him as out and out
fast? Parmod Koshy? In any case, if you insist on calling the sun the
moon, there ain't much I can do about it. One correction though -- Wasim
Akram has been classified as Left-Arm Fast for years, along with Waqar
Younis, Right-Arm Fast.

Zaki

by **John Ha** » Sat, 29 Apr 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

> >>> (Tony B.) writes:

> : How they catogorize fast, fast-medium and medium fast bowlers?

> > Fast : would easily knock your teeth out.
> > Medium : trundles them down, might swing or seam.
> > Slow : takes three steps run up and makes the *** go side ways.
> > Medium - Fast : Medium with Fast tendencies.
> > Fast - Medium : Fast with medium tendencies.

> > I think that's how the commentators see it.

> Don't think so. My understanding is that in a term such as
> `medium fast', "medium" is the adverb and qualifies the adjective
> "fast." Therefore to say "He is medium fast" is to say that this
> bowler is not as quick as a someone who bowls "fast."

> So, in order of increasing speed:

> medium, fast medium, medium fast and fast.

> With thanks to a poster who posted something similar some time ago.

The Playfair Cricket Annual uses the terms fast-medium and medium-fast
to categorise players without stating which is faster! However,
looking at examples, I think they take fast-medium as faster than
medium-fast.
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John Hall, | When I was younger I thought
Cranleigh, | I knew all the answers.
Surrey, England | Now I realise I don't even
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by **Steve Holmes, Computer Centr** » Sat, 29 Apr 1995 04:00:00

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>How they catogorize fast, fast-medium and medium fast bowlers?
>Does any body knows the criteria?
>What speed ranges?

A complicated formula relates the weight of contents of the low order Batsman's
Trousers to the speed ranking given.

Mike Atherton was recently caught trying to move himself down the batting order
by carrying artificial soil in his trousers.

Regards

Steve Holmes

by **Vivek Kha** » Sat, 29 Apr 1995 04:00:00

I think this was done to accomodate the legion of faster-than-slow Indian
bowlers. In the ancient days of about twenty years ago, Indians lamented the
fact that all they could produce to match Lillie, Thomson, Holding, Roberts
et al. was Karsan Ghavri. Then came the great Kapil, who managed to take
wickets despite his slow pace. The next big step in Indian cricket was the
***ing of Chetan Sharma. When Chetan Sharma started to play, he was touted
to be the fastest Indian! Now, you could not possibly call him a fast bowler,
could you? So, he became a medium fast bowler...
The quest for a fast bowler continued. Someone who had pretensions
of success was the great Bharath Arun. Even the greatest optimists were at
a loss to describe his pace. In retrospect, they should not have been,
considering that India had, before, Roger Binny, Madan Lal, and Balwinder
Singh Sandhu - all full pace slow medium bowlers (figure that out!).. But
then, shouldn't the passage of time produce some improvement in speed? This
is where the optimists made a grave mistake. They should have heeded to the
Murphy's law, that "if an Indian bowler can bowl slow, he will bowl slowl".
(There is a corollary to this - "if an Indian spinner can bowl fast, he will
bowl fast", eg, Kumble, Chandrasekhar, etc.)
Rajinder Singh Ghai, Raju Kulkarni, Shekhar, in the mean time
flattered to deceive....
Then there was a real explosion of faster-than-slow bowlers. At the
front of the pack was Razdan. When I first saw him on tv, his 6 ft 3 in build
was very reassuring. "Here is someone who will match Patterson, Ambrose, etc",
I thought.. The first misgivings appeared when he took his run-up - all of
around 12 steps! "He will use his shoulders, like Akram", I continued thinking.
And finally, he bowled.. I really missed sighting the ball, because I had set
my eyes on the batsman's helmet.. But there was still hope. I mean, wouldn't
SOMEONE, from among Robin Singh, Atul Wassan, Subroto Banerjee, Saurav Ganguly,
Salil Ankola, Ashis Zaidi, David Johnson bowl like Aaqib Javed (by this time
us optimistic Indians were willing to compromise - we no more wanted someone
as fast as Imran, or Marshall). ...but, we were to be disappointed again....
Then came Srinath. Here was a new yardstick. If we define him as
"fast- fast medium", any bowler faster would definitely be a fast bowler!
So, anxious eyes were set upon Vaidya and Prasad. Our North Indian friends
had one more hope, Bhupinder Singh.. Sharjah '94 saw the bursting of some more
bubbles. Some of my friends are still recovering from the nervous breakdown
they had on watching Bhupinder bowl.
The quest for a fast bowler continues. In the mean time, a rather exact
descriptive definitions have been developed:

MEDIUM PACE BOWLERS:
Eknath Solkar
Sunil Gavaskar
Sachin Tendulkar

MILITARY MEDIUM PACE BOWLERS:
Jimmy Amarnath (this guy had THE model run-up. He would start really fast,
and then decelerate...)
Madanlal (a model delivery action. Probably jumped over the stumps)
Roger Binny
Bharath Arun
Balwinder Singh Sandhu
Robin SIngh

SLOW-MEDIUM FAST MEDIUM PACE BOWLERS:
Kapil Dev
Manoj Prabhakar
Vivek Razdan
Bhupinder Singh
Venkatesh Prasad
Saurav Ganguly
Subroto Banerjee

MEDIUM FAST MEDIUM PACE BOWLERS:
Salil Ankola
Prashant Vaidya
David Johnson
Abhey Kuruvilla

FAST FAST MEDIUM PACE BOWLERS:
JAVAGAL SRINATH

The detailed and sophisticated discription of pace bowling stops
here. More additions will be made to the system as soon as someone bowls
faster than Srinath. That day is keenly awaited.....

:)

- Vivek

by **Ken Wess** » Sun, 30 Apr 1995 04:00:00

!
! The Playfair Cricket Annual uses the terms fast-medium and medium-fast
! to categorise players without stating which is faster! However,
! looking at examples, I think they take fast-medium as faster than
! medium-fast.

This is certainly how the terms are used, but I think it's pretty silly.

A medium fast bowler is still a "fast" bowler while a fast medium bowler
is still a "medium" bowler, and surely any fast bowler is faster than any
medium bowler?

Ken

by **Lalit Kumar, Windies Support** » Sun, 30 Apr 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

>> How they catogorize fast, fast-medium and medium fast bowlers?
>> Does any body knows the criteria?
>> What speed ranges?

>Just a matter of opinion, I think. Bowlers' speed is not measured very
>often, and in any case presumably will vary a little from one day to
>the next depending on what sort of "rhythm" the bowler is in.

It also depends on the weight of the balls. The balls may be heavy in the last session but after a good night out would be much lighter and so the bowler would be able to put more in his run-ups.

Just joking.

El Supremo

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