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by **Peter Abela (The Speak** » Sat, 01 May 1993 06:54:57

Who was the biggest flop on debut?

I have a couple of Australian candidates, but I'm not sure about other
countries.

One such flop was John ("The Woc") Watkins, a leg spinner from NSW. He had
played only 5 first class games, taking 11 wickets at 37.18 when he was
picked. He was so nervous that his first bowl reputedly didn't miss the square
leg umpire by much, and his second ball was four byes, just to the left of
point. Rod Marsh reckons he hit the adjacent pitch more than the game pitch.
That was his only test, and he only took 9 more wickets in first class cricket
before getting dropped. His one test was against Pakistan in Sydney, 1972/73.

Two latter day failures were Simon Davis and Roger Woolley. I believe that in
their first test, neither of them scored a run, took a catch or took a wicket.

If anyone has any other notable debutant failures, post away.

Thanks

Peter Abela

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by **Murali Cot** » Sat, 01 May 1993 08:22:02

Keywords:

Dhiraj parsanna (sp ?) - he was a left arm bowler - probably spun the ball at times. I do not know
the stats -- but he did not survive. could somebody supply the stats ????

cotah

by **Paul M Corball** » Sat, 01 May 1993 07:56:58

Quote:

>Who was the biggest flop on debut?

>I have a couple of Australian candidates, but I'm not sure about other
>countries.

[humourous article mostly deleted]

Quote:

>Two latter day failures were Simon Davis and Roger Woolley. I believe that in
>their first test, neither of them scored a run, took a catch or took a wicket.

>If anyone has any other notable debutant failures, post away.

>Thanks

How about Glen (the alleged all-rounder) Trimble, also from Australia.

Cheers, Paul

by **R. Bharat R** » Sat, 01 May 1993 23:39:17

|> If anyone has any other notable debutant failures, post away.

None other than Graham Gooch -- batting in the middle order he
bagged a pair and managed to look completely out of sorts for
the (short) time he was in. I remember thinking, "He won;t be
troubling bowlers for very long," which should show how good
I am at judging talent :-).

|> Peter Abela

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by **Uday Raj** » Sun, 02 May 1993 15:05:56

Quote:

>Who was the biggest flop on debut?
>I have a couple of Australian candidates, but I'm not sure about other
>countries.

A few that come to mind:
(1) Bharat has already mentioned this, but Graham Gooch had a terrible debut
vs Australia in 1975. He may even have had a pair on debut; and I think he
scored in single digits in all the four Test innings he played.
(2) Ken Rutherford vs the West Indies (not sure if that was his debut, though).
Don't remember any details, but he too had a string of low scores.
(3) Suru Nayak (who?) of India against England in 1982. He played two Tests as
an all-rounder, batted at no. 10, and bowled about 10-12 overs in an England
total of over 500 on his debut.
(4) Gus Logie vs India in 1983. Scored a 100 in the 3rd (or 4th) Test of that
series, but failed in the first two.

by **Peter Abela (The Speak** » Tue, 04 May 1993 07:19:06

Quote:

> >Who was the biggest flop on debut?

> >I have a couple of Australian candidates, but I'm not sure about other
> >countries.

> [humourous article mostly deleted]

> How about Glen (the alleged all-rounder) Trimble, also from Australia.

He only played in ODIs. In his debut, he started bowling, and he bowled a few
hip high full tosses, which got smashed for four. He finally put one on the
stumps, and Bill Lawry called out, "You can come out from under the couch Sam!"

'Sam' was Trimble's father, who was an excellent first class cricketer, although
he never made it to a test match.

I think Trimble only played 2 (?) or so matches, before being dropped forever,
and rightly so. He never scored many runs.

Peter Abela

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by **Flashm** » Thu, 06 May 1993 09:49:14

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>He only played in ODIs. In his debut, he started bowling, and he bowled a few
>hip high full tosses, which got smashed for four. He finally put one on the
>stumps, and Bill Lawry called out, "You can come out from under the couch Sam!"
>'Sam' was Trimble's father, who was an excellent first class cricketer, although
>he never made it to a test match.
>I think Trimble only played 2 (?) or so matches, before being dropped forever,
>and rightly so. He never scored many runs.

Trimble played in 1 ODI when New Zealand was here in 86. He bowled 5 overs
for about 20+ runs and was withdrawn from the attack when the NZ captain
Jeremy Coney was hit in the shoulder by a beamer, unintentional however.
Coney complained to the umpire and Border withdrew him. When Australia b
batted, Border gave some of the younger batters ago at the top of the order
and Trimble batted at No.3. He hit his first ball for four thru mid wicket
and was out next ball to Hadlee, the only NZer who took a wicket against
OZ that summer I reckon.
Cheers.

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by **Mayank Go** » Fri, 07 May 1993 02:44:41

Hi all.....
I remember another dooooooooode from India. He was a fast(ahem!) bowler called
Bharat Arun. He landed on his ***the first ball he bowled in test cricket.
I don't think he ever got up to play for India :-). Talk about a *FLOP* :-)
Spaceman, any confirmation on this guys record?? Did he play any more tests??
Whom was he playing against??

Peace,

Mayank [Still laughing recollecting the fall] Gour
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by **BALIJEPALLI, SRIDHARREDDY** » Thu, 06 May 1993 23:22:00

Quote:

>Hi all.....
>I remember another dooooooooode from India. He was a fast(ahem!) bowler called
>Bharat Arun. He landed on his ***the first ball he bowled in test cricket.
>I don't think he ever got up to play for India :-). Talk about a *FLOP* :-)
>Spaceman, any confirmation on this guys record?? Did he play any more tests??
>Whom was he playing against??

Bharat Arun played 3 tests against Sri Lanka and took 4 wickets ( three
wickets in his first test ). He was tried in few one day matches later
that season but was thrashed around and was never considered. He didn't
have anything to play for India. He bowls at a gentle pace, fields
awfully and is a decent late order batsman. He was just not international
quality.

Talking about flops, how about Rashid Patel? He played just one test
match against New Zealand in 1988, didn't take any wickets and was
very ineffective. He played few one day matches but couldn't do a thing.
His fielding was pathetic at best. He was the one who chased Raman Lamba
with a wicket for over a minute trying to hit him in the Duleep Trophy
finals.

Quote:

>Peace,

>Mayank [Still laughing recollecting the fall] Gour
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by **Shivanand Bhajek** » Fri, 07 May 1993 05:03:39

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>I remember another dooooooooode from India. He was a fast(ahem!) bowler called
>Bharat Arun. He landed on his ***the first ball he bowled in test cricket.

That was against PAk??! I remember his first ball being a wide.
Dunno about his ***flops! And the Stoopid Hindi commentator
insisted on calling him "Bharatiya Arun"!!

Shivanand

by **Peter Abela (The Speak** » Fri, 07 May 1993 06:43:34

Quote:

> Trimble played in 1 ODI when New Zealand was here in 86. He bowled 5 overs
> for about 20+ runs and was withdrawn from the attack when the NZ captain
> Jeremy Coney was hit in the shoulder by a beamer, unintentional however.
> Coney complained to the umpire and Border withdrew him. When Australia b
> batted, Border gave some of the younger batters ago at the top of the order
> and Trimble batted at No.3. He hit his first ball for four thru mid wicket
> and was out next ball to Hadlee, the only NZer who took a wicket against
> OZ that summer I reckon.
> Cheers.

Ah, That's right. And Bill Lawry said "You can come out now Sam" when he hit the
four. Unfortunately, Sam was probably only halfway out when Glenn was
dismissed :-)

Peter Abela

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by **GUNNA, SANDE** » Fri, 07 May 1993 11:19:00

Quote:

>Hi all.....
>I remember another dooooooooode from India. He was a fast(ahem!) bowler called
>Bharat Arun. He landed on his ***the first ball he bowled in test cricket.
>I don't think he ever got up to play for India :-). Talk about a *FLOP* :-)
>Spaceman, any confirmation on this guys record?? Did he play any more tests??
>Whom was he playing against??

Yup I seem to remember this dude too; and although I didnt see him
fall; I did listen in the radio of the above incident. I am not sure
if he played one test or two, but he did play in the first test between
India and SL during the 86-87 series (the series took place before the
Reliance 87 world cup anyway, but not sure of the year) and I am sure the
game was at Kanpur.. The game was drawn, but India went on to win the next
two tests in the series :). There were centuries by Gavaskar ( in his
in-laws town, the papers were full of reports about Gavaskar hitting
the hundred for his wife's parents :)), as also an 199 by Azharuddin :(,
and a pretty fast 160 odd by Kapil.

Good ol' days when we used to sit in the last benches in the class,
and used to listen to commentries in the middle of a lecture ;)

later
~Geromino

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>Peace,

>Mayank [Still laughing recollecting the fall] Gour
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by **PVR Narasimha R** » Fri, 07 May 1993 14:00:30

:) That was against PAk??! I remember his first ball being a wide.
:) Dunno about his ***flops! And the Stoopid Hindi commentator
:) insisted on calling him "Bharatiya Arun"!!

His first ball was a wide, right. He fell down while running in to bowl his
first ball and bowled a wide when he finally managed to bowl after getting
up.

PVR

by **Dimitrios Papadopoul** » Sat, 08 May 1993 00:18:05

Quote:

>>Hi all.....
>>I remember another dooooooooode from India. He was a fast(ahem!) bowler called
>>Bharat Arun. He landed on his ***the first ball he bowled in test cricket.
>>I don't think he ever got up to play for India :-). Talk about a *FLOP* :-)
>>Spaceman, any confirmation on this guys record?? Did he play any more tests??
>>Whom was he playing against??

>Yup I seem to remember this dude too; and although I didnt see him
>fall; I did listen in the radio of the above incident. I am not sure
>if he played one test or two, but he did play in the first test between
>India and SL during the 86-87 series (the series took place before the
>Reliance 87 world cup anyway, but not sure of the year) and I am sure the
>game was at Kanpur.. The game was drawn, but India went on to win the next
>two tests in the series :). There were centuries by Gavaskar ( in his
>in-laws town, the papers were full of reports about Gavaskar hitting
>the hundred for his wife's parents :)), as also an 199 by Azharuddin :(,
>and a pretty fast 160 odd by Kapil.

>Good ol' days when we used to sit in the last benches in the class,
>and used to listen to commentries in the middle of a lecture ;)

>later
>~Geromino

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The same thing happened to Raju Kulkarni in australia in a one-day.
As he ran into bowl his first ball and was about to take the delivery
leap he skidded and landed on his butt.

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>>Peace,

>>Mayank [Still laughing recollecting the fall] Gour
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by **Naresh Kumar CHE Gra** » Mon, 10 May 1993 01:01:41

Quote:

>:) That was against PAk??! I remember his first ball being a wide.
>:) Dunno about his ***flops! And the Stoopid Hindi commentator
>:) insisted on calling him "Bharatiya Arun"!!

>His first ball was a wide, right. He fell down while running in to bowl his
>first ball and bowled a wide when he finally managed to bowl after getting
>up.

>PVR

Hi

I think Kapil's first ball was a no-ball. That did not flop him.

ciao

naresh

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