No excuses for Aussie performance except poor coaching.

No excuses for Aussie performance except poor coaching.

Post by Jonathan Aldo » Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:00:00


It was remarked in Australia this week that the reason Australia were
struggling on the greentops is simple.
They play so many ODI that they are used to frontfoot play as short balls
are rare. On the English wickets however, going to the pitch of the ball
is risky because of movement off the wicket and in the air. A better coach
would have prepared the side for this scenario. Elliot seemed hopelessly
lost on day 1 when the ball was moving around as he continually propped
onto the front foot.
The batsmen were simply not up to the job except for the Waughs who
play better of the back foot.
Since Marsh became coach the Aussies have become inconsistent, and there
has been a noticable decline in the standard of their fiedling and running
b/w wickets. Has anyone else noticed this?
Bring back Bobby Simpson I say!

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No excuses for Aussie performance except poor coaching.

Post by Donald Ros » Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:00:00

Quote:
>Jonathan Aldous wrote "No excuses for Aussie Performance" etc.

Sorry if this sounds like a flame--It isn't.

If you play in Sydney as Elliott does, you often have to bowl and bat on
underprepared surfaces which are like quivering blancmange puddings.
Edgbaston would have seemed like concrete compared to some of our local
decks.  So let's cut the garbage about the English pitches being like some
Martian or lunar landscape.  These guys not only have experience on similar
pitches to English ones, but they are professionals.  I expect them to
adjust their technique as soon as they face a few balls and continue to
adjust it as the pitch alters over a long innings.

We should all expect more--nay, demand more from the team.  I'm sure they
have high expectation of themselves.

And by the way, I have played cricket in England in the sixties (at a very
low level)  so I have first hand knowledge of London and Home Counties
suburban pitches if not the grandiose international turf altars.


 
 
 

No excuses for Aussie performance except poor coaching.

Post by Colin Lo » Thu, 12 Jun 1997 04:00:00

: >Jonathan Aldous wrote "No excuses for Aussie Performance" etc.
:
: Sorry if this sounds like a flame--It isn't.
:
: If you play in Sydney as Elliott does, you often have to bowl and bat on

He plays for Victoria in Melbourne, the MCG to be exact (excepting trips
by Victoria to play NSW in NSW at SCG, and tests)

: underprepared surfaces which are like quivering blancmange puddings.
: Edgbaston would have seemed like concrete compared to some of our local
: decks.  So let's cut the garbage about the English pitches being like some
: Martian or lunar landscape.  These guys not only have experience on similar
: pitches to English ones, but they are professionals.  I expect them to
: adjust their technique as soon as they face a few balls and continue to
: adjust it as the pitch alters over a long innings.

Fair comment.

Colin

 
 
 

No excuses for Aussie performance except poor coaching.

Post by ANTHONY SWAN » Thu, 12 Jun 1997 04:00:00


# If you play in Sydney as Elliott does, you often have to bowl and bat on

Actually, Elliott plays in Melbourne...  :-)

# underprepared surfaces which are like quivering blancmange puddings.

Sydney pitches??  Underprepared???  Perth, maybe.  I've seen worse though.
Where was the third test in the WI vs Aus series in 1994/95 held again???
Port Elizabeth also comes to mind...  :-)

 
 
 

No excuses for Aussie performance except poor coaching.

Post by Tim Fountai » Thu, 12 Jun 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
> >Jonathan Aldous wrote "No excuses for Aussie Performance" etc.

> Sorry if this sounds like a flame--It isn't.

> If you play in Sydney as Elliott does, you often have to bowl and bat on

Elliott is a Victorian, just because the most of the team is from NSW
dioesn't mean everyone is.

Quote:
> underprepared surfaces which are like quivering blancmange puddings.
> Edgbaston would have seemed like concrete compared to some of our local
> decks.  So let's cut the garbage about the English pitches being like
some
> Martian or lunar landscape.  These guys not only have experience on
similar
> pitches to English ones, but they are professionals.  I expect them to
> adjust their technique as soon as they face a few balls and continue to
> adjust it as the pitch alters over a long innings.

I don't know about adjusting within a few balls, but from what I saw the
Edgbaston pitch had nothing wrong with it. A bit of life in the mornings
(according the radio a lot on the first morning, but it can't have got that
much better over lunch), and a chance for the batsman prepared to stick it
out to get runs later in the day. And then a bit of wear for the spinners
later on; all in all a fairly good pitch (a bit of uneven bounce excepted);
as opposed to the flat tracks we often get served up here. Then again I
prefer cricket where the bowlers have a chance and batsman have to work for
their runs.

There is no doubt, however, that the Australian batting line up falls to
bits on a pitch with the slightese amount of life in it. (Even moreso on
shockers like in Delhi and Perth.)

Quote:

> We should all expect more--nay, demand more from the team.  I'm sure they
> have high expectation of themselves.

Certainly they should be able to perform better than was the case on
pitches which do a little; but well done to the Pommy bastards for
exploiting the weakness as well as they did in the first innings.

Quote:

> And by the way, I have played cricket in England in the sixties (at a
very
> low level)  so I have first hand knowledge of London and Home Counties
> suburban pitches if not the grandiose international turf altars.



 
 
 

No excuses for Aussie performance except poor coaching.

Post by ANTHONY SWAN » Fri, 13 Jun 1997 04:00:00

# My one day squad.
#
# 1 Mark Waugh
# 2 Ryan Campbell

Why the hell would anyone select Ryan Campbell here???  He had a few high
scores in the domestic one-dayers, but so what???  Jimmy Maher averaged
more than him - and that is just one player off-hand.  What did Campbell
score in his last domestic one-day match???  {knowing grin}

Michael DiVenuto has shown that he is capable of keeping the scoreboard
going at about 5 or 6 an over in ODI's - against South Africa in South
Africa, no less!  Why not put him in here???

Stuart Law has played ODI cricket for Australia - why leave him out when
he has shown that he can do the job???

In short, there are other players who have been around for longer who
deserve more of a chance than Campbell does at this stage.  He had one
very good season - let's see if he can continue this first before putting
him in our ODI squads/teams...

# 3 Greg Blewert
# 4 Steve Waugh (Captain)
# 5 Michael Beven
# 6 Adam Gilchrist
# 7 Ian Healy
# 8 Shane Warne
# 9 Jason Gillespie
# 10 Andy Bichel
# 11 Glen McGrath

Apart from Campbell, a very good team.  I'd have Adam Dale as the 12th
man, because our pace bowlers (esp. Gillespie and Bichel) are currently
battling what seem to be long-term injuries.  Dale has also played for
Australia, and made quite a good***of his opportunity too.

---

"And don't you know that it's just you, hey Jude, you'll do,
 The movement you need is on your shoulder.
 Hey Jude, don't make it bad,
 Take a sad song and make it better.
 Remember to let her under your skin,
 Then you begin to make it better."
                                        John Lennon & Paul McCartney, 1968.

 
 
 

No excuses for Aussie performance except poor coaching.

Post by Bill Steamshove » Sat, 14 Jun 1997 04:00:00

Quote:


> # My one day squad.
> #
> # 1 Mark Waugh
> # 2 Ryan Campbell

> Why the hell would anyone select Ryan Campbell here???  He had a few high
> scores in the domestic one-dayers, but so what???  Jimmy Maher averaged
> more than him - and that is just one player off-hand.  What did Campbell
> score in his last domestic one-day match???  {knowing grin}

> Michael DiVenuto has shown that he is capable of keeping the scoreboard
> going at about 5 or 6 an over in ODI's - against South Africa in South
> Africa, no less!  Why not put him in here???

Well I am sure you might agree that teams such as Pakistan and Sri Lanka
are leaving Australia for dead in the one day games. You know, they don't
start at your poultry figure of five or six and over, they go out and
score at maybe 6, 7or 8 an over for the first few overs. Sure Di Venuto
could do this 5 or 6, Campbell wout score at 7 or 8 an over. I know
whichy I would prefer. As for the last first class game, we are actually
talking OD games, well I was when I started to talk about Campbell. I do
know he scored a pair in the Sheffield Shield final as well. Though the
second catch, that which was taken by Barsby was just amazing.

I would prefer 50 off 29 or 30 balls to start the innings than 50 off 49
balls, that would be the difference between the two of Campbell and Di
Venuto. I am not sure whether campballw ould be able to cope at
International level. I just think, that if Australia want to remain
competitive in this form of competition, we must evolve from a steady as
she goes all the way, to actually once ina while attack the opposition
bowling, instead of being too shit scared for their careers as the
current mob seem to be.

Quote:
> In short, there are other players who have been around for longer who
> deserve more of a chance than Campbell does at this stage.  He had one
> very good season - let's see if he can continue this first before putting
> him in our ODI squads/teams...

A good point.....though how many 1st class games did players like McGrath
and such play before representing the country?

Quote:

> # 3 Greg Blewert   (Blewett?)
> # 4 Steve Waugh (Captain)
> # 5 Michael Beven
> # 6 Adam Gilchrist
> # 7 Ian Healy
> # 8 Shane Warne
> # 9 Jason Gillespie
> # 10 Andy Bichel
> # 11 Glen McGrath

In a one day game I wouldn't have Gillepsie, probably would slot in Dale
after his performances in SA.

Apart from Campbell, a very good team.  I'd have Adam Dale as the 12th

Quote:
> man, because our pace bowlers (esp. Gillespie and Bichel) are currently
> battling what seem to be long-term injuries.  Dale has also played for
> Australia, and made quite a good***of his opportunity too.

And I am sure you you can tell me how many games and the average that he
has taken wickets at in MMC level?

Dale was given the chance, probably through the performance of the shield
final and not much else. He has actually played the same amount of games
as Campbell and if you remember the meeting of the two at One Day level
in Perth, well, Dale was rather shocked I think at being belted out of
the attack, probably for the first time ever.....and boy did I enjoy it :)

Quote:

> ---

> "And don't you know that it's just you, hey Jude, you'll do,
>  The movement you need is on your shoulder.
>  Hey Jude, don't make it bad,
>  Take a sad song and make it better.
>  Remember to let her under your skin,
>  Then you begin to make it better."
>                                    John Lennon & Paul McCartney, 1968.

adieu

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The inability of life lies in your heart

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No excuses for Aussie performance except poor coaching.

Post by Ro » Sun, 15 Jun 1997 04:00:00


Quote:
>Why the hell would anyone select Ryan Campbell here???  He had a few high
>scores in the domestic one-dayers, but so what???  Jimmy Maher averaged
>more than him - and that is just one player off-hand.  What did Campbell
>score in his last domestic one-day match???  {knowing grin}

Because he's about the only player in Australia that is prepared to have
a go in the first 15 overs, which has been Australias big problem over
the past 18 months, and why SL has been successful. If anything, he's
certainly worth a go in the openers spot, and surely a far better bet
than Taylor, who can single handedly lose a game by*** around for
20 overs and scoring 15.

Quote:
>Michael DiVenuto has shown that he is capable of keeping the scoreboard
>going at about 5 or 6 an over in ODI's - against South Africa in South
>Africa, no less!  Why not put him in here???

Because he doesn't score at anywhere near the same rate as Campbell.
Perhaps you could open him as well. IMO, the best way to open the
innings is to have 1 player belting ths shit out of the ball, and the
other scoring at about 5 an over playing safe. Hopefully the former can
score 30-40 in 20-30 balls. You certainly don't need 100. If a few wickets
fall early, then you have the middle order to calm things down.

Quote:
>Stuart Law has played ODI cricket for Australia - why leave him out when
>he has shown that he can do the job???

Eh? Once in a while he does something. But overall, not worth it.

Quote:
>In short, there are other players who have been around for longer who
>deserve more of a chance than Campbell does at this stage.  He had one
>very good season - let's see if he can continue this first before putting
>him in our ODI squads/teams...

Yep, he probably still needs more experience, but he is certainly worth
a go. And being around for a long time should not mean you are first in
line. You play the side that is most likely to win you the game. If that
means including a rookie, then so be it. Maybe you could give him a go
with Australia A first.