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by **ash_gupt..** » Wed, 18 Jan 2006 04:06:44

Is it, if not then whats the record?

by **ash_gupt..** » Wed, 18 Jan 2006 04:46:12

I found 4 possible cases where it could have been more than 403 runs.
All these instances have captain as one of the players.

3rd 467 AH Jones & MD Crowe(cap) New Zealand
v Sri Lanka Wellington 1990/91
2nd 438 MS Atapattu(cap) & KC Sangakkara Sri Lanka v
Zimbabwe Bulawayo 2004
4th 411 MC Cowdrey & PBH May(cap) England v
West Indies Birmingham 1957
5th 405 DG Bradman(cap) & SG Barnes Australia v
England Sydney 1946/47

by **Dipak Bas** » Wed, 18 Jan 2006 05:20:08

Quote:

> I found 4 possible cases where it could have been more than 403 runs.
> All these instances have captain as one of the players.

> 3rd 467 AH Jones & MD Crowe(cap) New Zealand
> v Sri Lanka Wellington 1990/91
> 2nd 438 MS Atapattu(cap) & KC Sangakkara Sri Lanka v
> Zimbabwe Bulawayo 2004
> 4th 411 MC Cowdrey & PBH May(cap) England v
> West Indies Birmingham 1957
> 5th 405 DG Bradman(cap) & SG Barnes Australia v
> England Sydney 1946/47

The May/Cowdrey partnership was quite likely Capt/VC since Dexter and Mike
Smith were not in the side.

DB.

by **John Hal** » Wed, 18 Jan 2006 06:39:31

Quote:

>> I found 4 possible cases where it could have been more than 403 runs.
>> All these instances have captain as one of the players.

>> 3rd 467 AH Jones & MD Crowe(cap) New Zealand
>> v Sri Lanka Wellington 1990/91
>> 2nd 438 MS Atapattu(cap) & KC Sangakkara Sri Lanka v
>> Zimbabwe Bulawayo 2004
>> 4th 411 MC Cowdrey & PBH May(cap) England v
>> West Indies Birmingham 1957
>> 5th 405 DG Bradman(cap) & SG Barnes Australia v
>> England Sydney 1946/47

>The May/Cowdrey partnership was quite likely Capt/VC since Dexter and Mike
>Smith were not in the side.

Except that for home Tests England have not normally named a
vice-captain. Had May been injured during the Test, Cowdrey would
probably have been favourite to take over, but it's not certain as he
was one of the youngest and least experienced members of the side. If an
amateur was wanted and Bailey was playing in the match, then he would be
another possibility. I wonder who was v-c to May on the 1956-7 tour of
South Africa? Whoever it was, if playing in this match, would have been
the most likely candidate.
--
John Hall

"I am not young enough to know everything."
Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)

by **Mike Holman** » Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:17:48

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:39:31 +0000, John Hall

Quote:

>>> I found 4 possible cases where it could have been more than 403 runs.
>>> All these instances have captain as one of the players.

>>> 3rd 467 AH Jones & MD Crowe(cap) New Zealand
>>> v Sri Lanka Wellington 1990/91
>>> 2nd 438 MS Atapattu(cap) & KC Sangakkara Sri Lanka v
>>> Zimbabwe Bulawayo 2004
>>> 4th 411 MC Cowdrey & PBH May(cap) England v
>>> West Indies Birmingham 1957
>>> 5th 405 DG Bradman(cap) & SG Barnes Australia v
>>> England Sydney 1946/47

>>The May/Cowdrey partnership was quite likely Capt/VC since Dexter and Mike
>>Smith were not in the side.

>Except that for home Tests England have not normally named a
>vice-captain. Had May been injured during the Test, Cowdrey would
>probably have been favourite to take over, but it's not certain as he
>was one of the youngest and least experienced members of the side. If an
>amateur was wanted and Bailey was playing in the match, then he would be
>another possibility. I wonder who was v-c to May on the 1956-7 tour of
>South Africa? Whoever it was, if playing in this match, would have been
>the most likely candidate.

Doug Insole was the vice-captain in South Africa and Cowdrey came in
because Insole had been chucked for a duck by Ramadhin.

It was Insole's only overseas tour: his employers (BP) wouldn't
normally give him the winter off as well as the summer, but when MCC
offered him the vice-captaincy, they decided that that was sufficient
reason to give him more leave.

Cheers,

Mike

by **Dipak Bas** » Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:53:01

Quote:

>Insole had been chucked for a duck by Ramadhin.

Explain please.

DB.

by **Spaceman Spif** » Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:06:51

Quote:

>> Insole had been chucked for a duck by Ramadhin.

> Explain please.

ramadhin admitted some time back that he used to chuck the ball.

--
stay cool,
Spaceman Spiff

get your own damn grateful dead lyrics.
http://arts.ucsc.edu/gdead/agdl/

by **Mike Holman** » Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:04:51

tapped the keyboard and brought forth:

Quote:

>>Insole had been chucked for a duck by Ramadhin.

>Explain please.

Ramadhin kept his sleeves buttoned down to hide the fact that he was a
chucker, as he said himself, so it's hard to call his victims
"bowled".

Cheers,

Mike

by **diivolun** » Thu, 19 Jan 2006 01:13:33

Cowdrey was not VC, Graveney was.

by **diivolun** » Thu, 19 Jan 2006 01:26:53

When May was not on ground, Graveney lead the team in one of match
reports. I know that Graveney was senior pro and had stupendous series
against windies in 1957. or am i remembering 1966 tour? I agree that
Bailey seems likely candidate. I also remember bailey as handling team
in may's absence vs. australia.

regards
Pranshu B Saxena

by **Mike Holman** » Thu, 19 Jan 2006 02:28:15

tapped the keyboard and brought forth:

Quote:

>When May was not on ground, Graveney lead the team in one of match
>reports. I know that Graveney was senior pro and had stupendous series
>against windies in 1957. or am i remembering 1966 tour? I agree that
>Bailey seems likely candidate. I also remember bailey as handling team
>in may's absence vs. australia.

You are thinking of 1957, but Graveney was not in the team for the
Edgbaston Test where May and Cowdrey played football for so many
hours. In so far as anyone actually playing would have been
vice-captain for that particular game given that England don't appoint
official VCs at home, Insole had been VC for the five previous Tests
which England had played and would seem the most likely candidate.

Cheers,

Mike

by **John Hal** » Thu, 19 Jan 2006 04:09:39

Quote:

>When May was not on ground, Graveney lead the team in one of match
>reports. I know that Graveney was senior pro and had stupendous series
>against windies in 1957. or am i remembering 1966 tour?

He was very successful in both series.

Quote:

> I agree that
>Bailey seems likely candidate. I also remember bailey as handling team
>in may's absence vs. australia.

Bailey had made his Test debut prior to Graveney and, being an amateur,
would seem a more likely candidate given attitudes at the time
(notwithstanding Hutton's success). But maybe he had rubbed someone
important up the wrong way? Otherwise it's hard to understand why he
never was appointed captain England, since he had an excellent cricket
brain and seems to have got on well with other players. In fact he never
played again for England after the debacle of the 1958-9 tour of
Australia, even though he was clearly still the best all-rounder in
England for another five years or so.
--
John Hall

"I am not young enough to know everything."
Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)

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