Best Umpires/Worst Umpires

Best Umpires/Worst Umpires

Post by montagsamu's New » Fri, 20 Oct 2000 04:00:00


IMO, these are the best current umpires in the world :

David Sheppard
Steve Bucknor
Darrell Hair
Venkat
Rudy ??? (SA)

These are the worst :

Doug Cowie
Russell Tiffin
that other idiot from Zimbabwe
Steve Dunne

Any differning opinions??

SAm

 
 
 

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Post by Anthony Swan » Fri, 20 Oct 2000 04:00:00

# IMO, these are the best current umpires in the world :
#
# David Sheppard
# Steve Bucknor
# Darrell Hair
# Venkat
# Rudy ??? (SA)

Rudy Koertzen, I think you're referring to.  I would agree with that list,
and I would add in Peter Willey as well.

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Post by John P Darc » Fri, 20 Oct 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> IMO, these are the best current umpires in the world :

> David Sheppard

Sheppard might well be a good decision maker and be a good game and
player manager - but his technique sux.  Ever seen him signalling six by
thrusting his arms into the air repeatedly?  Ever seen his method of
firing a batsman out?  Umpiring signals are set down in the Laws and
they are not a place for individual variation.

I was very pleased to see Billy Bowden adopt a much more conservative
technique when he made his Test debut in March.  He finally worked out
who the public have come to watch - not him.

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Cheers

John
An umpire.

 
 
 

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Post by Matthew O'Neil » Fri, 20 Oct 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> Sheppard might well be a good decision maker and be a good game and
> player manager - but his technique sux.  Ever seen him signalling six by
> thrusting his arms into the air repeatedly?  Ever seen his method of
> firing a batsman out?  Umpiring signals are set down in the Laws and
> they are not a place for individual variation.

Sheperd is an awesome and fair umpire. He is close to perfect if
there ever is one.***ie Bird was a perfect umpire and Darrell Hair
except for the Craig McDermott blunder is excellent and fair.

Quote:
> I was very pleased to see Billy Bowden adopt a much more conservative
> technique when he made his Test debut in March.  He finally worked out
> who the public have come to watch - not him.

Bowden had an outstanding Test debut and should have been retained
for the whole series. The two Kiwi incompentents in the final two
Tests were awful.

Best:
1. Shepherd
2. Hair
3. Venkat
4. Koertzen

Most Over-rated:
1. Willey
2. Bucknor
3. Tawful

The rest are just bad.

Kindest Regards,
Matthew.
ICQ 1444514

 
 
 

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Post by Yuk Tan » Fri, 20 Oct 2000 04:00:00

Quote:


>> IMO, these are the best current umpires in the world :

>> David Sheppard

>Sheppard might well be a good decision maker and be a good game and
>player manager - but his technique sux.  Ever seen him signalling six by
>thrusting his arms into the air repeatedly?  Ever seen his method of
>firing a batsman out?  Umpiring signals are set down in the Laws and
>they are not a place for individual variation.

>I was very pleased to see Billy Bowden adopt a much more conservative
>technique when he made his Test debut in March.  He finally worked out
>who the public have come to watch - not him.

The crowd like it though.  You forgot to mention his habit of sticking one
foot in the air during variations of nelson.  After all, the players and
umpires are conspiring together to entertain the fans, and eccentricities
such as these endear the game to the average watcher.  See also Steve
Bucknor and his delayed finger, and Alec Stewart the renowned bat-twiddler.

Cheers, ymt.

 
 
 

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Post by Graem » Fri, 20 Oct 2000 04:00:00


Quote:


> Most Over-rated:
> 1. Willey
> 2. Bucknor
> 3. Tawful

I would agree about Bucknor, I reckon he as bad an umpire in international
cricket as anyone.
 
 
 

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Post by Mad Hami » Fri, 20 Oct 2000 04:00:00

On Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:53:30 +1000, John P Darcy

Quote:


>> IMO, these are the best current umpires in the world :

>> David Sheppard

>Sheppard might well be a good decision maker and be a good game and
>player manager - but his technique sux.  Ever seen him signalling six by
>thrusting his arms into the air repeatedly?  Ever seen his method of
>firing a batsman out?  Umpiring signals are set down in the Laws and
>they are not a place for individual variation.

The term wgaff springs to mind.
If he gets the decisions right I think that any unorthodoxy in his
umpiring signals matters not a jot.
 
 
 

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Post by Mad Hami » Fri, 20 Oct 2000 04:00:00

On Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:25:08 +1000, John P Darcy

Quote:


>>***ie Bird was a perfect umpire

>That is the most laughable thing you have ever said, Matt.  I say this
>because of what I have heard about***ie Bird from *very experienced
>umpires*.  I won't go into details, mainly because I didn't commit the
>details to memory.  I just recall the look on <insert name of
>authority>'s face.

What, was his index finger at slightly the wrong angle?
 
 
 

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Post by Steve Shadbo » Fri, 20 Oct 2000 04:00:00



Quote:



>> >***ie Bird was a perfect umpire

>> That is the most laughable thing you have ever said, Matt.  

>That's a pretty big call! ;o)

>> I say this
>> because of what I have heard about***ie Bird from *very experienced
>> umpires*.  I won't go into details, mainly because I didn't commit the
>> details to memory.  I just recall the look on <insert name of
>> authority>'s face.

>Really?  It's a shame you didn't have the details handy, as I'd be
>interested to hear why they thought he wasn't top notch.  I'd always
>pegged him as a very good umpire, though I suspect I may have been
>rating him on his ability to manage people and get along with the
>players rather than the ability to make correct decisions.

Umpires in England are selected according to ratings given by
inspectors who monitor most first class matches, and captains reports.
***ie Bird was nearly always near the top of table.  Which means he
was :

1) Well liked and respected by the captains and therefore players
2) The inspectors obviously felt he was tecnically good as well

The last year he was an umpire certianly one or two people felt he was
past his best but up till then he was generally accepted to be one of
the best around
Steve Shadbolt

These are my opinions and not Logica's

 
 
 

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Post by Mike Holma » Fri, 20 Oct 2000 04:00:00

On Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:02:24 +1000, Matthew O'Neill

Quote:


>> Sheppard might well be a good decision maker and be a good game and
>> player manager - but his technique sux.  Ever seen him signalling six by
>> thrusting his arms into the air repeatedly?  Ever seen his method of
>> firing a batsman out?  Umpiring signals are set down in the Laws and
>> they are not a place for individual variation.

>Sheperd is an awesome and fair umpire. He is close to perfect if
>there ever is one.

You might have been correct five years ago.

Today, he is making mistakes left, right and centre. Inzamam Ul-Haq
was not out according to the Laws of Cricket when Shepherd sawed him
off in the World Cup Final, and Lara wasn't out according to the Laws
when Shepherd gave him lbw at The Oval this year. (Obviously, once
he'd given the decisions, they were out, but the decisions were not
correctly based.)

He is as awesome an umpire today as Mark Waugh is as a middle-order
Test batsman. To you, that's a ringing endor***t of his qualities.
To those of us who prefer coping with today rather than living in the
past, it's not.

Cheers,

Mike
--
1969 - most recent previous England series win over WI
1966 - most recent previous England innings victory over WI
1957 - most recent previous series v WI in which England won three matches
Will the same lengths of time have to pass before these things recur?

 
 
 

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Post by Mike Holman » Fri, 20 Oct 2000 04:00:00



Quote:

>> The last year he was an umpire certianly one or two people felt he was
>> past his best but up till then he was generally accepted to be one of
>> the best around

>I can only add to what I almost said before, that the opinion of my
>source was formed during Bird's visit to Australia, on ICC Panel duty, a
>couple of years ago, ie at the end of his career and nearly in his
>dotage.  This might be significant.

>Incidentally, I saw much of Bird's umpiring on TV (naturally), and I
>recall an England batsman out LBW at his end (absolutley plumb).  It was
>so plumb, and England in such trouble, that as Bird fired him he could
>barely restrain himself from a wry grin.  You could read his mind "oh
>dear, oh dear, I'm afraid I've got no choice but to give you out, you
>poor outclassed bastard".  I did not like the look of that - umpires are
>not there to get emotionally involved in the game.

It's interesting to consider these two wildly different opinions and who
they come from. As Steve said, Bird was very highly rated by:

"1) Well liked and respected by the captains and therefore players
2) The inspectors obviously felt he was technically good as well"

and John's source for the highly critical opinion was another umpire.
Almost everyone I've ever heard criticize Bird was a fellow umpire (not
necessarily having stood in a match with him, just being an umpire).

And the reason that other umpires shake their heads about him is that he
was far too involved with the game for their liking.

I recounted a story, told separately by Dennis Lillee, John Edrich and
Bird himself, only a few weeks ago. Bird was standing at Lillee's end at
Edgbaston, and after an over or so, Bird told Lillee that he'd never get
wickets pitching it there - he should pitch it up more. Lillee took 5-15
and John Edrich made the most difficult 34 of his life, which Bird rated
as the best innings he ever saw, against the best bowling he ever saw.

Many of the other stories told in the same collection were from players
(particularly spinners) who found it helped immensely to have a coach
standing where the umpire usually did. "You're the best bowler in the
country," Bird would tell all sorts of people, and he probably believed
it at the time - after all, Wasim Akram has to my knowledge declared at
least nine players in as many months to be the best bowler in the world,
each time obviously sincerely believing it. "You're not getting your
feet to t'pitch o' t'ball when 'e's bowling, you know, and you've *got*
to do that," he'd say to the non-striker while the ball made its way
round the field back to the bowler. Didn't matter who the bloke played
for: he was free with advice to any player who happened to come near him
during a game. And he made them feel ten feet tall with his praise.

His love of the game showed through in his enthusiastic revelling in
extravagant signals. But more than once he was taken on one side by a
senior official and reminded that the stars of the show were supposed to
be the players, and would he please stop hogging the camera.

He loved cricket, and cricket loved him back, but he was the Ian Botham
of umpiring, not the Donald Bradman.

Cheers,

Mike
--
1969 - most recent previous England series win over WI
1966 - most recent previous England innings victory over WI
1957 - most recent previous series v WI in which England won three matches
Will the same lengths of time have to pass before these things recur?

 
 
 

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Post by John P Darc » Fri, 20 Oct 2000 23:25:08

Quote:

>***ie Bird was a perfect umpire

That is the most laughable thing you have ever said, Matt.  I say this
because of what I have heard about***ie Bird from *very experienced
umpires*.  I won't go into details, mainly because I didn't commit the
details to memory.  I just recall the look on <insert name of
authority>'s face.

--

Cheers

John

See my Olympic Games photos at http://SportToday.org/
before the IOC shuts me down :(

 
 
 

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Post by Nathan Dun » Fri, 20 Oct 2000 23:11:26

Quote:


> >***ie Bird was a perfect umpire

> That is the most laughable thing you have ever said, Matt.  

That's a pretty big call! ;o)

Quote:
> I say this
> because of what I have heard about***ie Bird from *very experienced
> umpires*.  I won't go into details, mainly because I didn't commit the
> details to memory.  I just recall the look on <insert name of
> authority>'s face.

Really?  It's a shame you didn't have the details handy, as I'd be
interested to hear why they thought he wasn't top notch.  I'd always
pegged him as a very good umpire, though I suspect I may have been
rating him on his ability to manage people and get along with the
players rather than the ability to make correct decisions.

Cheers,

Nathan.

 
 
 

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Post by John P Darc » Sat, 21 Oct 2000 00:37:12

Quote:

> The last year he was an umpire certianly one or two people felt he was
> past his best but up till then he was generally accepted to be one of
> the best around

I can only add to what I almost said before, that the opinion of my
source was formed during Bird's visit to Australia, on ICC Panel duty, a
couple of years ago, ie at the end of his career and nearly in his
dotage.  This might be significant.

Incidentally, I saw much of Bird's umpiring on TV (naturally), and I
recall an England batsman out LBW at his end (absolutley plumb).  It was
so plumb, and England in such trouble, that as Bird fired him he could
barely restrain himself from a wry grin.  You could read his mind "oh
dear, oh dear, I'm afraid I've got no choice but to give you out, you
poor outclassed bastard".  I did not like the look of that - umpires are
not there to get emotionally involved in the game.

--

Cheers

John

See my Olympic Games photos at http://www.pleiades.8m.com/photos.htm
before the IOC shuts me down :(