From Ashes to Ashes

From Ashes to Ashes

Post by tal.ro.. » Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:42:53


As England prepare to take on the Aussies once more in cricket's
greatest contest, the writer fears their hopes of retaining the
historic trophy are fast going down under:

http://www.sportingo.com/other-sports/from-ashes-to-ashes/1001,675

 
 
 

From Ashes to Ashes

Post by Luke Curti » Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:49:32


Quote:
>As England prepare to take on the Aussies once more in cricket's
>greatest contest, the writer fears their hopes of retaining the
>historic trophy are fast going down under:

>http://www.sportingo.com/other-sports/from-ashes-to-ashes/1001,675

IMHO this guy seems to not really have a clue what he is talking about
TBH, taking England losing a ODI game as some kind of basis to the
teams prospects in the test series seems a little stupid, England have
been a really poor ODI team for some time now while they have
performed strongly in the test arena.

In the last 2 ODIs before the last Ashes Test series last year we were
comprehensively beaten with 5 and 15 overs to spare, every bit as bad
beatings as the one in the Champions Trophy.

Sure we have problems with injuries, Simon Jones is out but Anderson
is looking very good, Panesar is looking a very promising prospect,
Vaughan is out but Cook looks very classy and Bell is in top form, as
long as Trescothick and Flintoff are fully fit I think we will be hard
to beat...

--
ButIstillneedtoknowwhat'sinthere! Thekeytoanysecurity
systemishowit'sdesigned! Thatdependsonwhyitwasdesigned!
Ihavetoknowwhatwhoeverdesigneditwastryingtoprotect!
(Blakes 7, City on the Edge of the World  - Vila in typical panic mode)

 
 
 

From Ashes to Ashes

Post by woods » Thu, 26 Oct 2006 07:57:37


Quote:

>>As England prepare to take on the Aussies once more in cricket's
>>greatest contest, the writer fears their hopes of retaining the
>>historic trophy are fast going down under:

>>http://www.sportingo.com/other-sports/from-ashes-to-ashes/1001,675

> IMHO this guy seems to not really have a clue what he is talking about
> TBH, taking England losing a ODI game as some kind of basis to the
> teams prospects in the test series seems a little stupid, England have
> been a really poor ODI team for some time now while they have
> performed strongly in the test arena.

> In the last 2 ODIs before the last Ashes Test series last year we were
> comprehensively beaten with 5 and 15 overs to spare, every bit as bad
> beatings as the one in the Champions Trophy.

> Sure we have problems with injuries, Simon Jones is out but Anderson
> is looking very good, Panesar is looking a very promising prospect,
> Vaughan is out but Cook looks very classy and Bell is in top form, as
> long as Trescothick and Flintoff are fully fit I think we will be hard
> to beat...

as will australia who havent lost a home series since 1992.

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> --
> ButIstillneedtoknowwhat'sinthere! Thekeytoanysecurity
> systemishowit'sdesigned! Thatdependsonwhyitwasdesigned!
> Ihavetoknowwhatwhoeverdesigneditwastryingtoprotect!
> (Blakes 7, City on the Edge of the World  - Vila in typical panic mode)


 
 
 

From Ashes to Ashes

Post by Luke Curti » Fri, 27 Oct 2006 03:52:50



Quote:




>>>As England prepare to take on the Aussies once more in cricket's
>>>greatest contest, the writer fears their hopes of retaining the
>>>historic trophy are fast going down under:

>>>http://www.sportingo.com/other-sports/from-ashes-to-ashes/1001,675

>> IMHO this guy seems to not really have a clue what he is talking about
>> TBH, taking England losing a ODI game as some kind of basis to the
>> teams prospects in the test series seems a little stupid, England have
>> been a really poor ODI team for some time now while they have
>> performed strongly in the test arena.

>> In the last 2 ODIs before the last Ashes Test series last year we were
>> comprehensively beaten with 5 and 15 overs to spare, every bit as bad
>> beatings as the one in the Champions Trophy.

>> Sure we have problems with injuries, Simon Jones is out but Anderson
>> is looking very good, Panesar is looking a very promising prospect,
>> Vaughan is out but Cook looks very classy and Bell is in top form, as
>> long as Trescothick and Flintoff are fully fit I think we will be hard
>> to beat...

>as will australia who havent lost a home series since 1992.

we don't have to beat them, just draw and we have only lost 1 out the
last 10 series <G>

Quote:
>> --
>> ButIstillneedtoknowwhat'sinthere! Thekeytoanysecurity
>> systemishowit'sdesigned! Thatdependsonwhyitwasdesigned!
>> Ihavetoknowwhatwhoeverdesigneditwastryingtoprotect!
>> (Blakes 7, City on the Edge of the World  - Vila in typical panic mode)

--
ButIstillneedtoknowwhat'sinthere! Thekeytoanysecurity
systemishowit'sdesigned! Thatdependsonwhyitwasdesigned!
Ihavetoknowwhatwhoeverdesigneditwastryingtoprotect!
(Blakes 7, City on the Edge of the World  - Vila in typical panic mode)
 
 
 

From Ashes to Ashes

Post by woods » Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:41:10


Quote:





>>>>As England prepare to take on the Aussies once more in cricket's
>>>>greatest contest, the writer fears their hopes of retaining the
>>>>historic trophy are fast going down under:

>>>>http://www.sportingo.com/other-sports/from-ashes-to-ashes/1001,675

>>> IMHO this guy seems to not really have a clue what he is talking about
>>> TBH, taking England losing a ODI game as some kind of basis to the
>>> teams prospects in the test series seems a little stupid, England have
>>> been a really poor ODI team for some time now while they have
>>> performed strongly in the test arena.

>>> In the last 2 ODIs before the last Ashes Test series last year we were
>>> comprehensively beaten with 5 and 15 overs to spare, every bit as bad
>>> beatings as the one in the Champions Trophy.

>>> Sure we have problems with injuries, Simon Jones is out but Anderson
>>> is looking very good, Panesar is looking a very promising prospect,
>>> Vaughan is out but Cook looks very classy and Bell is in top form, as
>>> long as Trescothick and Flintoff are fully fit I think we will be hard
>>> to beat...

>>as will australia who havent lost a home series since 1992.
> we don't have to beat them, just draw and we have only lost 1 out the
> last 10 series <G>

and you last won in australia 20 years ago....and by the way, how many test
series have we lost in the last 15 years....home AND away.....not
many......and since the last ashes we have won 10 tests ,drawn 1, lost
NONE....

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Quote:
>>> ButIstillneedtoknowwhat'sinthere! Thekeytoanysecurity
>>> systemishowit'sdesigned! Thatdependsonwhyitwasdesigned!
>>> Ihavetoknowwhatwhoeverdesigneditwastryingtoprotect!
>>> (Blakes 7, City on the Edge of the World  - Vila in typical panic mode)

> --
> ButIstillneedtoknowwhat'sinthere! Thekeytoanysecurity
> systemishowit'sdesigned! Thatdependsonwhyitwasdesigned!
> Ihavetoknowwhatwhoeverdesigneditwastryingtoprotect!
> (Blakes 7, City on the Edge of the World  - Vila in typical panic mode)

 
 
 

From Ashes to Ashes

Post by United Roa » Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:06:24


Quote:
>>>as will australia who havent lost a home series since 1992.
>> we don't have to beat them, just draw and we have only lost 1 out the
>> last 10 series <G>

> and you last won in australia 20 years ago....and by the way, how many
> test series have we lost in the last 15 years....home AND away.....not
> many......and since the last ashes we have won 10 tests ,drawn 1, lost
> NONE....

Stressed out already.Watch for this one*** from the rafters is Aus
don't regain the Ashes.

United Road

 
 
 

From Ashes to Ashes

Post by eusebiu » Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:19:02

Quote:



> >>>as will australia who havent lost a home series since 1992.
> >> we don't have to beat them, just draw and we have only lost 1 out the
> >> last 10 series <G>

> > and you last won in australia 20 years ago....and by the way, how many
> > test series have we lost in the last 15 years....home AND away.....not
> > many......and since the last ashes we have won 10 tests ,drawn 1, lost
> > NONE....

> Stressed out already.Watch for this one*** from the rafters is Aus
> don't regain the Ashes.

> United Road

I don't think so. However 'woodsy' is probably part of a generation
which hasn't experienced defeat at the hands of England a great deal in
its viewing lifetime. I remain sceptical in regards to the loudly
proclaimed superiority of Australia vis-a-vis England. The local
bowling attack will be quite thin, even if Mitchell Johnson does well
(if he is selected). McGrath is past it, Warne is not as good as he
used to be, and BLeet is good sometimes, and woeful at others. It all
depends on whether the visitors can bring together 11 fit players or
not.

I know that England will be more desperate than Australia- who will
also not be without motivation- should make for a good series, just
like last time.

If history is anything to go by, England must win, since never has
England just handed back the Ashes on winning them after a long period
of Australian domination (21-26, (34)47-53, or even 59-68).

 
 
 

From Ashes to Ashes

Post by Luke Curti » Sat, 28 Oct 2006 07:46:57



Quote:








>>>>>As England prepare to take on the Aussies once more in cricket's
>>>>>greatest contest, the writer fears their hopes of retaining the
>>>>>historic trophy are fast going down under:

>>>>>http://www.sportingo.com/other-sports/from-ashes-to-ashes/1001,675

>>>> IMHO this guy seems to not really have a clue what he is talking about
>>>> TBH, taking England losing a ODI game as some kind of basis to the
>>>> teams prospects in the test series seems a little stupid, England have
>>>> been a really poor ODI team for some time now while they have
>>>> performed strongly in the test arena.

>>>> In the last 2 ODIs before the last Ashes Test series last year we were
>>>> comprehensively beaten with 5 and 15 overs to spare, every bit as bad
>>>> beatings as the one in the Champions Trophy.

>>>> Sure we have problems with injuries, Simon Jones is out but Anderson
>>>> is looking very good, Panesar is looking a very promising prospect,
>>>> Vaughan is out but Cook looks very classy and Bell is in top form, as
>>>> long as Trescothick and Flintoff are fully fit I think we will be hard
>>>> to beat...

>>>as will australia who havent lost a home series since 1992.
>> we don't have to beat them, just draw and we have only lost 1 out the
>> last 10 series <G>

>and you last won in australia 20 years ago....and by the way, how many test
>series have we lost in the last 15 years....home AND away.....not
>many......and since the last ashes we have won 10 tests ,drawn 1, lost
>NONE....

hardly dominating as you used to though, 3 against WI who England have
a record of 7-1-0 in the last home and away series , 2 against
Bangladesh (1 of which you almost lost) and 6 tests against SA which
you hardly dominated, conceding a 1st innings deficit in 3 of the 6
tests....

I don't think England will win, Jones & Vaughan are too bigger players
to miss without the team being effected, but I think exactly the same
as at the beginning of the last Ashes - we will fight and fight hard,
it will we close and if everybody performs close to their ability and
stays fit then we can win.

--
ButIstillneedtoknowwhat'sinthere! Thekeytoanysecurity
systemishowit'sdesigned! Thatdependsonwhyitwasdesigned!
Ihavetoknowwhatwhoeverdesigneditwastryingtoprotect!
(Blakes 7, City on the Edge of the World  - Vila in typical panic mode)

 
 
 

From Ashes to Ashes

Post by woods » Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:26:52


Quote:




>> >>>as will australia who havent lost a home series since 1992.
>> >> we don't have to beat them, just draw and we have only lost 1 out the
>> >> last 10 series <G>

>> > and you last won in australia 20 years ago....and by the way, how many
>> > test series have we lost in the last 15 years....home AND away.....not
>> > many......and since the last ashes we have won 10 tests ,drawn 1, lost
>> > NONE....

>> Stressed out already.Watch for this one*** from the rafters is Aus
>> don't regain the Ashes.

>> United Road

> I don't think so. However 'woodsy' is probably part of a generation
> which hasn't experienced defeat at the hands of England a great deal in
> its viewing lifetime. I remain sceptical in regards to the loudly
> proclaimed superiority of Australia vis-a-vis England. The local
> bowling attack will be quite thin, even if Mitchell Johnson does well
> (if he is selected). McGrath is past it, Warne is not as good as he
> used to be,

is this the same warne that took 40 wickets in the last ashes series, or are
there 2 guys called warne ?
 
 
 

From Ashes to Ashes

Post by woods » Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:27:27


Quote:



>>>>as will australia who havent lost a home series since 1992.
>>> we don't have to beat them, just draw and we have only lost 1 out the
>>> last 10 series <G>

>> and you last won in australia 20 years ago....and by the way, how many
>> test series have we lost in the last 15 years....home AND away.....not
>> many......and since the last ashes we have won 10 tests ,drawn 1, lost
>> NONE....

> Stressed out already.Watch for this one*** from the rafters is Aus
> don't regain the Ashes.

> United Road

you make me laugh
 
 
 

From Ashes to Ashes

Post by woods » Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:29:22


Quote:




>> >>>as will australia who havent lost a home series since 1992.
>> >> we don't have to beat them, just draw and we have only lost 1 out the
>> >> last 10 series <G>

>> > and you last won in australia 20 years ago....and by the way, how many
>> > test series have we lost in the last 15 years....home AND away.....not
>> > many......and since the last ashes we have won 10 tests ,drawn 1, lost
>> > NONE....

>> Stressed out already.Watch for this one*** from the rafters is Aus
>> don't regain the Ashes.

>> United Road

> I don't think so. However 'woodsy' is probably part of a generation
> which hasn't experienced defeat at the hands of England a great deal in
> its viewing lifetime.

im 31, i can well remember 86-87. actually went to the perth test, day 1.
stumps score england 2-262.
 
 
 

From Ashes to Ashes

Post by eusebiu » Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:49:12

Quote:


> > I don't think so. However 'woodsy' is probably part of a generation
> > which hasn't experienced defeat at the hands of England a great deal in
> > its viewing lifetime. I remain sceptical in regards to the loudly
> > proclaimed superiority of Australia vis-a-vis England. The local
> > bowling attack will be quite thin, even if Mitchell Johnson does well
> > (if he is selected). McGrath is past it, Warne is not as good as he
> > used to be,

> is this the same warne that took 40 wickets in the last ashes series, or are
> there 2 guys called warne ?

Same bloke. That was 2 years ago, don't you recall? I believe he has
past his peak. I still think he has 3-5 years left in him as a
relatively effective performer at test level, but I get the feeling
that this year he won't be as effective against England as in the past.
Not to mention the fact that he is well known on the county circuit.
 
 
 

From Ashes to Ashes

Post by eusebiu » Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:50:57

Quote:






> >> >>>as will australia who havent lost a home series since 1992.
> >> >> we don't have to beat them, just draw and we have only lost 1 out the
> >> >> last 10 series <G>

> >> > and you last won in australia 20 years ago....and by the way, how many
> >> > test series have we lost in the last 15 years....home AND away.....not
> >> > many......and since the last ashes we have won 10 tests ,drawn 1, lost
> >> > NONE....

> >> Stressed out already.Watch for this one*** from the rafters is Aus
> >> don't regain the Ashes.

> >> United Road

> > I don't think so. However 'woodsy' is probably part of a generation
> > which hasn't experienced defeat at the hands of England a great deal in
> > its viewing lifetime.

> im 31, i can well remember 86-87. actually went to the perth test, day 1.
> stumps score england 2-262.

They are bad memories. 85 was even worse, although England in 86-7 were
on paper a fair bit weaker. I think that Melbourne 86 was Australian
cricket's nadir. From there things started turning around.
 
 
 

From Ashes to Ashes

Post by woods » Sun, 29 Oct 2006 08:53:54


Quote:



>> > I don't think so. However 'woodsy' is probably part of a generation
>> > which hasn't experienced defeat at the hands of England a great deal in
>> > its viewing lifetime. I remain sceptical in regards to the loudly
>> > proclaimed superiority of Australia vis-a-vis England. The local
>> > bowling attack will be quite thin, even if Mitchell Johnson does well
>> > (if he is selected). McGrath is past it, Warne is not as good as he
>> > used to be,

>> is this the same warne that took 40 wickets in the last ashes series, or
>> are
>> there 2 guys called warne ?

> Same bloke. That was 2 years ago, don't you recall? I believe he has
> past his peak. I still think he has 3-5 years left in him as a
> relatively effective performer at test level, but I get the feeling
> that this year he won't be as effective against England as in the past.
> Not to mention the fact that he is well known on the county circuit.

the fact that he plays county cricket is irrelevant, for a start.
secondly, the last ashes series was actually completed just over a year
ago....