I think they are now just behind England in the 6th spot.
Nothing to crow about, but beats being in the 8th spot staring at Zimbabwe
and the abyss, not too long ago.
by Shripathi Kamat » Mon, 21 Oct 2002 16:59:19
Nothing to crow about, but beats being in the 8th spot staring at Zimbabwe
and the abyss, not too long ago.
by Uday Raja » Tue, 22 Oct 2002 02:56:20
> I think they are now just behind England in the 6th spot.
> Nothing to crow about, but beats being in the 8th spot staring at Zimbabwe
> and the abyss, not too long ago.
by Narayana » Tue, 22 Oct 2002 03:08:31
> > I think they are now just behind England in the 6th spot.
> > Nothing to crow about, but beats being in the 8th spot staring at
Zimbabwe
> > and the abyss, not too long ago.
> Don't worry, as soon as we play abroad, we'll slide back
> down again. For India, the ICC should have separate home and
> away rankings.
by Raghu Jetle » Tue, 22 Oct 2002 03:53:16
>> I think they are now just behind England in the 6th spot.
>> Nothing to crow about, but beats being in the 8th spot staring at
>> Zimbabwe and the abyss, not too long ago.
> Don't worry, as soon as we play abroad, we'll slide back
> down again. For India, the ICC should have separate home and
> away rankings.
For eg. if we lose in NZ it won't affect our points, because
we lost last time also. So our points can only improve in our
various away series for some time.
by Andrew Dunfor » Tue, 22 Oct 2002 06:01:22
> >> I think they are now just behind England in the 6th spot.
> >> Nothing to crow about, but beats being in the 8th spot staring at
> >> Zimbabwe and the abyss, not too long ago.
> > Don't worry, as soon as we play abroad, we'll slide back
> > down again. For India, the ICC should have separate home and
> > away rankings.
> Don't think our points will change even if we lose abroad.
> For eg. if we lose in NZ it won't affect our points, because
> we lost last time also. So our points can only improve in our
> various away series for some time.
If India wins in New Zealand (and anything can happen in a two-match
series), they'll draw level with England, at least until England regains the
Ashes.
Picking up Uday's idea of separate home and away championships:
Home:
1 Aus 1.83
2 SA 1.63
3 SL 1.44
4 Ind 1.43
5 WI 1.38
6 NZ 1.33
7 Eng 1.25
8 Zim 0.50
9 Pak 0.43
Away:
1 SA 1.38
2 Aus 1.29
3 Pak 1.11
4 NZ 1.00
5 Eng 0.75
6 SL 0.71
7 Zim 0.50
8= Ind, WI 0.29
Andrew
by Shripathi Kamat » Tue, 22 Oct 2002 06:13:21
> > >> I think they are now just behind England in the 6th spot.
> > >> Nothing to crow about, but beats being in the 8th spot staring at
> > >> Zimbabwe and the abyss, not too long ago.
> > > Don't worry, as soon as we play abroad, we'll slide back
> > > down again. For India, the ICC should have separate home and
> > > away rankings.
> > Don't think our points will change even if we lose abroad.
> > For eg. if we lose in NZ it won't affect our points, because
> > we lost last time also. So our points can only improve in our
> > various away series for some time.
> Yes. The way the rankings work, India should theoretically not fall from
> its current position (as long as they continue to win at home). India has
> only two points from away series: one each from draws in Zimbabwe and
> England. Both were relatively recent, so no away points to be defended
for
> some time.
> If India wins in New Zealand (and anything can happen in a two-match
> series), they'll draw level with England, at least until England regains
the
> Ashes.
> Home:
> 1 Aus 1.83
> 2 SA 1.63
> 3 SL 1.44
> 4 Ind 1.43
> 5 WI 1.38
> 6 NZ 1.33
> 7 Eng 1.25
> 8 Zim 0.50
> 9 Pak 0.43
> Away:
> 1 SA 1.38
> 2 Aus 1.29
> 3 Pak 1.11
> 4 NZ 1.00
> 5 Eng 0.75
> 6 SL 0.71
> 7 Zim 0.50
> 8= Ind, WI 0.29
> Andrew
by Raghu Jetle » Tue, 22 Oct 2002 06:19:08
by Shripathi Kamat » Tue, 22 Oct 2002 06:39:40
> Don't think so. England will not lose any points even if they lose the
> Ashes (because they lost the last one also).
> India will gain 2 points if they win in NZ, but, IIRC, the gap between
India
> &
> England is far more than the gap between what the gap between Ind & WI
> was.
If India win in NZ, they will have 16 from 15, or so I thought.
Oh well, they are better than England anyway.
by Raghu Jetle » Tue, 22 Oct 2002 06:59:15
>> Don't think so. England will not lose any points even if they lose
>> the Ashes (because they lost the last one also).
>> India will gain 2 points if they win in NZ, but, IIRC, the gap
>> between India &
>> England is far more than the gap between what the gap between Ind &
>> WI was.
> I think India has 12 from 14 (well 14 from 15 after the series), and
> England has 16 from 16.
> If India win in NZ, they will have 16 from 15, or so I thought.
> Oh well, they are better than England anyway.
So you are right, if Ind win & Eng lose, India will move ahead
of Eng. If they draw, they will be level with Eng.
by Shripathi Kamat » Tue, 22 Oct 2002 07:16:40
<snip>
So how do you think they will fare? Will India have enough bowling
firepower to eke out a 1-0? Or will it be more like 'see last tour, same
thing'
With or without ***-sucker(TM) :-), Srinath, AA, ...
"All trademarks properties of their respective owners"
by Andrew Dunfor » Tue, 22 Oct 2002 07:28:29
> >> Don't think so. England will not lose any points even if they lose
> >> the Ashes (because they lost the last one also).
> >> India will gain 2 points if they win in NZ, but, IIRC, the gap
> >> between India &
> >> England is far more than the gap between what the gap between Ind &
> >> WI was.
> > I think India has 12 from 14 (well 14 from 15 after the series), and
> > England has 16 from 16.
> > If India win in NZ, they will have 16 from 15, or so I thought.
> > Oh well, they are better than England anyway.
> I think after the Ind-WI series, India will have 13 from 14.
> If they lose Ind-NZ, they will still have 13 from 14.
> If they draw Ind-NZ, they will have have 14 from 14.
> If they win Ind-NZ they will have 15 from 14.
> Eng if they lose the Ashes, will have 16 from 16.
> If they draw, they will have 17 from 16.
> If they win, they will have 18 from 16.
> So you are right, if Ind win & Eng lose, India will move ahead
> of Eng. If they draw, they will be level with Eng.
Andrew
by Devadatta Mukutmon » Tue, 22 Oct 2002 09:17:46
> Don't worry, as soon as we play abroad, we'll slide back
> down again. For India, the ICC should have separate home and
> away rankings.
But, I do worry about your sanity.
by V Prasha » Tue, 22 Oct 2002 10:05:27
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cricket/statistics/1339458.stm
> >> I think they are now just behind England in the 6th spot.
> >> Nothing to crow about, but beats being in the 8th spot staring at
> >> Zimbabwe and the abyss, not too long ago.
> > Don't worry, as soon as we play abroad, we'll slide back
> > down again. For India, the ICC should have separate home and
> > away rankings.
> Don't think our points will change even if we lose abroad.
> For eg. if we lose in NZ it won't affect our points, because
> we lost last time also. So our points can only improve in our
> various away series for some time.
by Sundar Subramania » Tue, 22 Oct 2002 11:32:36
Best,
Sundar
by Aditya Basru » Tue, 22 Oct 2002 14:40:41
> <snip>
> So how do you think they will fare? Will India have enough bowling
> firepower to eke out a 1-0? Or will it be more like 'see last tour, same
> thing'
> With or without ***-sucker(TM) :-), Srinath, AA, ...
> "All trademarks properties of their respective owners"
The Indian batsmen are fresh from a series in England, facing the seaming
ball, which (weather permitting) should be quite similar to conditions in
NZ. The tests are being played at Wellington and Hamilton - the same venues
where full tests were played last time. Wellington saw a defeat for India at
the hands of Simon Doull, IIRC. This time, NZ has better fast bowlers with
Bond et al, but the Indian batting order is not so brittle. SRT, Dravid and
Ganguly remain, but Laxman is a new player and Sehwag and Bangar should
perform. I have something of a question mark next to Bangar, not having seen
him play. I hope he doesn't go down the path of all the Indian openers
(Gandhi, Ramesh, etc.) who've done well at home but seem abysmal outside.
Hamilton, I think, is a flat track. Dravid should remember it fondly. If a
test is likelier to produce a draw, I think it could be Hamilton.
For NZ, I think the problem will be over injuries and fitness. The middle
order, with Astle, Fleming, and McMillan, is as good as it's been for the
past few years. Vincent should do well in tough situations, but if a big
innings is to be played, Sinclair is the man. I'm not sure who will be
keeping. Vettori and Bond should do well; not sure if Cairns is playing.
(Andrew?) Still not happy with the top of the order. Richardson is ok, not
sure about his partner. The cancelled tour of Pakistan meant a lack of match
practice, as well ...
I hope the Indian batsmen keep their heads. The middle should carve, and I'd
like to see VVSL take a big role in non-pressure situations. You've
highlighted bowling as the problem quite correctly. Srinath and Kumble
looked spent in Colombo (don't shoot me, please), but are the best we have.
For all Agarkar's faults, I don't think he'll be as woeful as Venkatesh
Prasad was last time. It's time for Harbhajan to have a good away series,
and NZ (unlike Australia) seems to favour finger spinners. It will also be
helpful that the captain won't be throwing matches.
I would say India are favourites, on the grounds that they have a settled
combination AND have more match practice. However, the away-series bogie
remains.
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