Donald's performance in the series

Donald's performance in the series

Post by fa_ah.. » Thu, 27 Mar 1997 04:00:00


The following paragraph appeared on the australian newspaper Sydney
Morning Herald:

 . "Donald bowled venomously at times, but he like Cullinan, did not
get results when it mattered. It is all very well to say Donald was
unlucky in Port Elizabeth, but his job was to take wickets,
simply that, and HE FELL SHORT. Put CURTLY AMBROSE or WASIM AKRAM
in his place on the last day at St George's Park, and his team
would surely have won."

        Before the series a lot of people were touting Donald as the best fast
bowler in the world.  in my opinion this series  showed him for what he
is. Donald is a world class bowler and seems like a great one when
things (such as pitch, quality of the opposition(english,
zimbabwean and indian) batsmen) are in his favor. But he still has
some way to go before he can catch up with the big boyz - Wasim and
Curtly. I believe that he has the talent to be a truly great bowler
but only time will tell .......

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Donald's performance in the series

Post by Eitan Prin » Thu, 27 Mar 1997 04:00:00

:       Before the series a lot of people were touting Donald as the best fast
: bowler in the world.  in my opinion this series  showed him for what he
: is. Donald is a world class bowler and seems like a great one when
: things (such as pitch, quality of the opposition(english,
: zimbabwean and indian) batsmen) are in his favor. But he still has
: some way to go before he can catch up with the big boyz - Wasim and
: Curtly. I believe that he has the talent to be a truly great bowler
: but only time will tell .......

Ho Ho

Do I disagree? Of course. Let me take you back to a game played between
Pakistan and New Zealand in 1994 ( I could be wrong! ). NZ needed 320 to win
and got it against an attack including Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis. Sorry
my friend but in that freak match (as PE was really) two world class bowlers
couldn't finish off a fairly weak (by comparison) NZ team. I think Donald
was up against a really good century by Mark Waugh (played in truly adverse
conditions).

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Donald's performance in the series

Post by Mad Hami » Thu, 27 Mar 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

>Do I disagree? Of course. Let me take you back to a game played between
>Pakistan and New Zealand in 1994 ( I could be wrong! ). NZ needed 320 to win
>and got it against an attack including Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis. Sorry
>my friend but in that freak match (as PE was really) two world class bowlers
>couldn't finish off a fairly weak (by comparison) NZ team. I think Donald
>was up against a really good century by Mark Waugh (played in truly adverse
>conditions).

And even when Mark was set Donald was beating him. Mark Waugh is probably the
hardest batsman I've seen to trouble once he gets in, but Donald kept doing
it.
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Donald's performance in the series

Post by Matt van de Werke » Fri, 28 Mar 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> And even when Mark was set Donald was beating him. Mark Waugh is probably the
> hardest batsman I've seen to trouble once he gets in, but Donald kept doing
> it.
> --

<snip something about politicians and fooling people :-)>

Quote:
> Mad Hamish
> Hamish Laws


Yes, he's a bit of a paradox, is M. Waugh.  He looks totally untroubled,
in fact less than almost anyone else, but you still feel he could get
out at anytime, as opposed to his partner who doesn't look as
comfortable, but you feel is less likely to get out. (I hope this makes
sense, it did when I thought it, but doesn't quite so much when I
re-read it...)

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Donald's performance in the series

Post by Narayanan Amman » Fri, 28 Mar 1997 04:00:00

:       Before the series a lot of people were touting Donald as the best fast
: bowler in the world.  in my opinion this series  showed him for what he
: is. Donald is a world class bowler and seems like a great one when
: things (such as pitch, quality of the opposition(english,
: zimbabwean and indian) batsmen) are in his favor. But he still has
: some way to go before he can catch up with the big boyz - Wasim and
: Curtly. I believe that he has the talent to be a truly great bowler
: but only time will tell .......

I for one feel that Donald is the best as far as Fast bowling business is
concerend as on date. Granted that his perf wasn't great this series.
He still has 36 wickets against Aus in 9 tests. Akram has 40 in 8 tests.
But Akram has 31 wickets against India whereas Donald has 50 in 9.

Akram is not the same bowler as he was some 3 years back. If u compare
that Akram/Ambrose with this Donald then Akram is better. But Donald
IMHO is the best on date. Donald has 150 wickets in 33 Tests now. Akram
took 30 Tests to complete his first 100 wickets. He improved it very well
to take 211 wickets in another 42 Tests.

Narayanan

 
 
 

Donald's performance in the series

Post by j sreedh » Fri, 28 Mar 1997 04:00:00


Quote:
>Yes, he's a bit of a paradox, is M. Waugh.  He looks totally untroubled,
>in fact less than almost anyone else, but you still feel he could get
>out at anytime, as opposed to his partner who doesn't look as
>comfortable, but you feel is less likely to get out. (I hope this makes
>sense, it did when I thought it, but doesn't quite so much when I
>re-read it...)

  You mean he is often the cause of his own demise? :-)

Who else would qualify in this category? David Gower? Carl Hooper?
(Probably even Sachin Tendulkar.)

Sreedhar

 
 
 

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Post by Koo » Fri, 28 Mar 1997 04:00:00

<<. "Donald bowled venomously at times, but he like Cullinan, did not

Quote:
>get results when it mattered....>>>>

He usually gets the results.
Ths time was not for him.
Luck comes and goes.
 
 
 

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Post by Rites » Sat, 29 Mar 1997 04:00:00

Quote:


> >Yes, he's a bit of a paradox, is M. Waugh.  He looks totally untroubled,
> >in fact less than almost anyone else, but you still feel he could get
> >out at anytime, as opposed to his partner who doesn't look as
> >comfortable, but you feel is less likely to get out. (I hope this makes
> >sense, it did when I thought it, but doesn't quite so much when I
> >re-read it...)

>   You mean he is often the cause of his own demise? :-)

> Who else would qualify in this category? David Gower? Carl Hooper?
> (Probably even Sachin Tendulkar.)

Especially Sachin Tendulkar!
                             Ritesh
Quote:
> Sreedhar

 
 
 

Donald's performance in the series

Post by Steven_Hanks- » Thu, 03 Apr 1997 04:00:00

Quote:


> <<. "Donald bowled venomously at times, but he like Cullinan, did not
> >get results when it mattered....>>>>

> He usually gets the results.
> Ths time was not for him.
> Luck comes and goes.

As a Warwickshire member, I have to make a point about Donald.

For the last 8/9 years (with two off for injury and B.Lara),
Allan has bowled his heart out in county cricket. And yes, I
am well aware what people say about the quality of the batting
in England these days, but ask yourself this. Would Ambrose and
Akram turn out at Swansea in April and bowl full tilt for 20-30
overs? Allan does, and has a stack more wickets, and respect from
his peers, than the other two do.

I've watched him several times, and he rarely fails to impress.
You may say that taking 6 for nothing against a minor county
doesn't rate very highly, but it does show that he isn't just
a big occasion player (which Lancashire and Northants have had
to get used to with their big overseas names).
--
Steven Hanks,
England

The opinions expressed in this communication are my own,
and do not necessarily reflect those of SmithKline Beecham.

 
 
 

Donald's performance in the series

Post by Allyn J. Carte » Thu, 03 Apr 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
>As a Warwickshire member, I have to make a point about Donald.

I'm impressed you can afford to be Warwickshire member. I gave my
membership up as they consistently increased the cost, way beyond the
inflation rate, year on year. The price of success.

Quote:

>For the last 8/9 years (with two off for injury and B.Lara),
>Allan has bowled his heart out in county cricket. And yes, I
>am well aware what people say about the quality of the batting
>in England these days, but ask yourself this. Would Ambrose and
>Akram turn out at Swansea in April and bowl full tilt for 20-30
>overs? Allan does, and has a stack more wickets, and respect from
>his peers, than the other two do.

Ambrose certainly has question marks over his commitment to Northants -
he rarely does anything but bowl within himself.

Many Lancs followers would disagree that Wasim is uncommited.

Quote:

>I've watched him several times, and he rarely fails to impress.
>You may say that taking 6 for nothing against a minor county
>doesn't rate very highly, but it does show that he isn't just
>a big occasion player (which Lancashire and Northants have had
>to get used to with their big overseas names).

I agree that Donald gives everything for Warks. A comparison between him
and Courtney Walsh at Gloucester is very interesting. They regularly top
the wicket taking tables.
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Donald's performance in the series

Post by Kenny Gree » Fri, 04 Apr 1997 04:00:00

Quote:



> > <<. "Donald bowled venomously at times, but he like Cullinan, did not
> > >get results when it mattered....>>>>

> > He usually gets the results.
> > Ths time was not for him.
> > Luck comes and goes.

> As a Warwickshire member, I have to make a point about Donald.

> For the last 8/9 years (with two off for injury and B.Lara),
> Allan has bowled his heart out in county cricket. And yes, I
> am well aware what people say about the quality of the batting
> in England these days, but ask yourself this. Would Ambrose and
> Akram turn out at Swansea in April and bowl full tilt for 20-30
> overs? Allan does, and has a stack more wickets, and respect from
> his peers, than the other two do.

> --

I dont think you are looking at the facts when you look at say someone
like Ambrose...or even Akram. For one...guess who topped the county
averages once again for bowling...yup Ambrose....with Walsh not far
behind. Secondly unlike the two you mentioned Donald has not been part
of the circuit pre 1990.....which means he has a little bit more in his
tank (I`m sure the schedule will get him too). This is why the WICB is
making sure Wi cricketers will only appear  when they play in test
matches in England. you cannot claim Ambrose and Akram have tried any
less, especially when you check their English records.....and WI could
have done with Ambrose not damaging his hamstring playing some
meaningless county games before four men and a dog.....before he went
to Aus and missed a vital game like Adelaide.

Now its Aus and Sa turn to have their county cricketers injured for a
cause which in the end they will only be criticised for.

Kenny

 
 
 

Donald's performance in the series

Post by Joshua Saunder » Sun, 13 Apr 1997 04:00:00



Quote:

>> As a Warwickshire member, I have to make a point about Donald.

>> For the last 8/9 years (with two off for injury and B.Lara),
>> Allan has bowled his heart out in county cricket. And yes, I
>> am well aware what people say about the quality of the batting
>> in England these days, but ask yourself this. Would Ambrose and
>> Akram turn out at Swansea in April and bowl full tilt for 20-30
>> overs? Allan does, and has a stack more wickets, and respect from
>> his peers, than the other two do.

>> --

>I dont think you are looking at the facts when you look at say someone
>like Ambrose...or even Akram. For one...guess who topped the county
>averages once again for bowling...yup Ambrose....with Walsh not far
>behind. Secondly unlike the two you mentioned Donald has not been part
>of the circuit pre 1990.....which means he has a little bit more in his
>tank (I`m sure the schedule will get him too). This is why the WICB is
>making sure Wi cricketers will only appear  when they play in test
>matches in England. you cannot claim Ambrose and Akram have tried any
>less, especially when you check their English records.....and WI could
>have done with Ambrose not damaging his hamstring playing some
>meaningless county games before four men and a dog.....before he went
>to Aus and missed a vital game like Adelaide.

Don't mind Kenny, WI fans still aren't used to losing...

Quote:
>Now its Aus and Sa turn to have their county cricketers injured for a
>cause which in the end they will only be criticised for.

Oh yes, and LOOK at the quality Australian bowlers doing time in County
cricket.

Josh (still looking? Thought so...)