Kaif and Yuvraj: Lords of the Lord's!

Kaif and Yuvraj: Lords of the Lord's!

Post by Crickete » Mon, 15 Jul 2002 03:20:54


Wonderful display by the youngsters!
 
 
 

Kaif and Yuvraj: Lords of the Lord's!

Post by India Fa » Mon, 15 Jul 2002 04:38:06


Quote:
> Wonderful display by the youngsters!

Kaif's innings has got to be among the greatest innings in Indian one-day
history.  I wonder where it'll figure in the Wisden 100 ODI innings.  He may
have authored the turning point ... I hope anyway :-)

 
 
 

Kaif and Yuvraj: Lords of the Lord's!

Post by Gireesh K. Bha » Mon, 15 Jul 2002 05:37:02


Quote:
> Wonderful display by the youngsters!

Best ODI chase from India I seen ever!! The final in Dhaka was a fav but
this one beats it just for the sheer tenacity shown by the Indian
youngsters.

Gireesh [Consistency -  Indian cricket team? Whaaaaaaaaaat?!!!!!!!]

 
 
 

Kaif and Yuvraj: Lords of the Lord's!

Post by rkusene » Mon, 15 Jul 2002 06:21:40

"Gireesh says...

Quote:



>> Wonderful display by the youngsters!

>Best ODI chase from India I seen ever!! The final in Dhaka was a fav but
>this one beats it just for the sheer tenacity shown by the Indian
>youngsters.

Talking about Dhaka, two similarities:-

1. One guy didn't score a 50 in both matches.

2. Another guy scored a 100 and a 60 in both matches.

As long as the second one continues to come with up
such contributions in winning tournaments (as oppose to scoring
100s and bloating avges) I am happy with him more than (1).

rk-
"Sachin might have scored plenty of 100s. how many of it was scored
when it matters"
Sankara.S.Narayanan, a SRT fanatic to me in email.
The above comment can be verified by emailing sankara.s.narayanan at aexp.com

 
 
 

Kaif and Yuvraj: Lords of the Lord's!

Post by Take it eas » Mon, 15 Jul 2002 07:25:04

Quote:

> "Gireesh says...



>>>Wonderful display by the youngsters!

>>Best ODI chase from India I seen ever!! The final in Dhaka was a fav but
>>this one beats it just for the sheer tenacity shown by the Indian
>>youngsters.

> Talking about Dhaka, two similarities:-

> 1. One guy didn't score a 50 in both matches.

> 2. Another guy scored a 100 and a 60 in both matches.

How can somebody score a 100 and a 60 in both matches? :)

Takeiteasy.

- Show quoted text -

Quote:

> As long as the second one continues to come with up
> such contributions in winning tournaments (as oppose to scoring
> 100s and bloating avges) I am happy with him more than (1).

> rk-
> "Sachin might have scored plenty of 100s. how many of it was scored
> when it matters"
> Sankara.S.Narayanan, a SRT fanatic to me in email.
> The above comment can be verified by emailing sankara.s.narayanan at aexp.com

 
 
 

Kaif and Yuvraj: Lords of the Lord's!

Post by Gafoo » Mon, 15 Jul 2002 07:29:45


[snip]

I can provide a list of important ODI matches/finals/semis where SRT
won us the match.

Can you please provide a list of corresponding matches for the
fastest bowler in the world ?

 
 
 

Kaif and Yuvraj: Lords of the Lord's!

Post by Visha » Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:53:55

Although I really like Tendulkar, I would really want to see this list. How
many times did we cross 300 before Tendulkar started opening?

Vishal


Quote:



> [snip]

> I can provide a list of important ODI matches/finals/semis where SRT
> won us the match.

> Can you please provide a list of corresponding matches for the
> fastest bowler in the world ?

 
 
 

Kaif and Yuvraj: Lords of the Lord's!

Post by Prakash Melwa » Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:33:24

Quote:



> > Wonderful display by the youngsters!

> Kaif's innings has got to be among the greatest innings in Indian one-day
> history.  I wonder where it'll figure in the Wisden 100 ODI innings.  He may
> have authored the turning point ... I hope anyway :-)

Guess you don't think much of Kapil's 175 :-)

Cheers
Prakash

 
 
 

Kaif and Yuvraj: Lords of the Lord's!

Post by India Fa » Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:08:31



Quote:


> > > Wonderful display by the youngsters!

> > Kaif's innings has got to be among the greatest innings in Indian
one-day
> > history.  I wonder where it'll figure in the Wisden 100 ODI innings.  He
may
> > have authored the turning point ... I hope anyway :-)

> Guess you don't think much of Kapil's 175 :-)

How'd you draw that conclusion from what I said?  As somone on this
newsgroup says TakeItEasy :-)
 
 
 

Kaif and Yuvraj: Lords of the Lord's!

Post by Vinay Santurk » Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:52:48

Quote:



> [snip]

> I can provide a list of important ODI matches/finals/semis where SRT
> won us the match.

Gafoor,

SRT has not really clicked in a critical match after his peak year -
1998. More so when chasing (batting second). In another thread, you
posted a match against SA in 1999 when he scored a century while
chasing 280+. That was probably his last significant effort and it
wasn't even a final/semi.

This should be a point of serious concern if I were SRT. The way he
batted yesterday was truly pathetic and it seemed he had decided to
commit harakiri from the time he came in to bat. He seemed to have
given up without trying. It was quite shocking for an ardent SRT fan
like me!!

After vehmently opposing the theory all these years, I think there is
some truth to the theory that "SRT can't deliver in the crunch" after
all. He just doesn't seem to be capable of handling the pressure.

Regards,

Vinay

 
 
 

Kaif and Yuvraj: Lords of the Lord's!

Post by Vinay Santurk » Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:16:38

Quote:

> "Gireesh says...

> Talking about Dhaka, two similarities:-

> 1. One guy didn't score a 50 in both matches.

> 2. Another guy scored a 100 and a 60 in both matches.

> As long as the second one continues to come with up
> such contributions in winning tournaments (as oppose to scoring
> 100s and bloating avges) I am happy with him more than (1).

RK,

While granting SRT failed, I think SCG's 60 should not be given too
much weight either. Considering he needlessly got out at 105 with us
chasing 325. Just like SRT's 40+ in Dhaka should not get too much
credit because he got out to a useless, uncalled for shot.

In fact there was an article in the Indian Express after we lost the
tri-series Final in SA in 2001. It showed that both SRT and SCG had
choked horribly in the 9 consecutive one day series finals that we had
lost in the past 3 years. On a relative scale, SRT choked more than
SCG. But SCG has not exactly covered himself with glory either. As
evidenced in the current series, both SCG and SRT did not finish a
single match while chasing in the entire tournament.

Regards,

Vinay

 
 
 

Kaif and Yuvraj: Lords of the Lord's!

Post by thei » Tue, 16 Jul 2002 02:06:08

Has it ever occurred to anyone, that maybe the difference between
Dravid/Tendulkar and Yuvraj/Kaif is that the latter (along with other
youngsters like Badani, Mongia, Sodhi etc) are used to winning ...
after they won the Youth World Cup, defeating a dozen other teams. I
think Kaif mentioned as much in his MoM acceptance speech .. that with
Yuvraj as a partner he was confident of doing it, having done it
before.

Whereas, Dravid/Tendulkar, for all their awesome technique and
stratospherical averages, they have never been part of a winning team
(in a tournament of more than 2 or 3 teams). So it didn't occur to
them (when they were in the middle at 130 odd for 3)  that if they
tough it out, maybe their team had a shot after all of winning the
cup. Tendulkar's shot that got him out, had fatalistic acceptance of
the inevitable written all over it.

Raj


Quote:


> > Wonderful display by the youngsters!

> Best ODI chase from India I seen ever!! The final in Dhaka was a fav but
> this one beats it just for the sheer tenacity shown by the Indian
> youngsters.

> Gireesh [Consistency -  Indian cricket team? Whaaaaaaaaaat?!!!!!!!]

 
 
 

Kaif and Yuvraj: Lords of the Lord's!

Post by Crickete » Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:58:13

I wouldn't include Badani in the same group.  It would be best if he never
came back into the Indian team.
 
 
 

Kaif and Yuvraj: Lords of the Lord's!

Post by Prakash Melwa » Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:05:59

Quote:







> > > > Wonderful display by the youngsters!

> > > Kaif's innings has got to be among the greatest innings in Indian
>  one-day
> > > history.  I wonder where it'll figure in the Wisden 100 ODI innings.  He
>  may
> > > have authored the turning point ... I hope anyway :-)

> > Guess you don't think much of Kapil's 175 :-)

> How'd you draw that conclusion from what I said?  As somone on this
> newsgroup says TakeItEasy :-)

I think that it was a fantastic effort by the Indian team facing a
very high total and coming back from the dead when they lost their 5th
wicket. IMHO Kaif played very sensibly and stayed to the end to ensure
victory. However, I think it is stretching it to say that his was one
of the greatest innings in Indian history. I will say that it may well
be the best comeback by the team but there have been many previous
innings where one individual has been instrumental in victory - unlike
this which was a great team effort. Personally I think that Yuvraj was
fundamentally the person who started the fightback after the collapse
following the super start by the openers.

However, no hard feelings as I will Take It easy and savour the
victory, hoping that Kaif and the others can repeat their good batting
in the future.

Cheers
Prakash

 
 
 

Kaif and Yuvraj: Lords of the Lord's!

Post by Take it eas » Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:35:56

Quote:

> Has it ever occurred to anyone, that maybe the difference between
> Dravid/Tendulkar and Yuvraj/Kaif is that the latter (along with other
> youngsters like Badani, Mongia, Sodhi etc) are used to winning ...
> after they won the Youth World Cup, defeating a dozen other teams. I
> think Kaif mentioned as much in his MoM acceptance speech .. that with
> Yuvraj as a partner he was confident of doing it, having done it
> before.

> Whereas, Dravid/Tendulkar, for all their awesome technique and
> stratospherical averages, they have never been part of a winning team
> (in a tournament of more than 2 or 3 teams).

Where did you get this idea? Many times they have been part of the team
that won tournaments with 3 or more teams.

Takeiteasy.

So it didn't occur to

Quote:
> them (when they were in the middle at 130 odd for 3)  that if they
> tough it out, maybe their team had a shot after all of winning the
> cup. Tendulkar's shot that got him out, had fatalistic acceptance of
> the inevitable written all over it.

> Raj




>>>Wonderful display by the youngsters!

>>Best ODI chase from India I seen ever!! The final in Dhaka was a fav but
>>this one beats it just for the sheer tenacity shown by the Indian
>>youngsters.

>>Gireesh [Consistency -  Indian cricket team? Whaaaaaaaaaat?!!!!!!!]