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Subject: India's glorious batting line-up and their fans!

Date: 16 Nov 93 19:46:24 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.
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Ahem! Ahem! :)  What a glorious batting display at home. :) I hope
this silencing all the Indians (at least hindu-sounding-names) for a
while.  Altough, I am sure that my hopes are over-estimated, and I
will here more loud-mouthed Indians than every before. :)

           DS[Q]A

PS: Funny that my sight hasn't recd any "news" yet. :)  I mean I had
heard about SL-Zim match more efficiently.  Somehow, the Indians gave
up on their batting chasing 202 against WI after the 10 over (or was
it the 11th). :)

--
"With mathematics and physics, we insisted on perceiving the world to
be rational. So, miracles have ceased to happen. Now, vanishing is the
love and compassion which distinguishes us from the other beasts that
trod the face of this planet." -D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar

     Dear Azhar
     Why the *** are you bringing in religious identity to our discussions
     on the net? Do you want me to call you a mulsim bastard? Tell me...

     Learn some manners before writing in this news groups..

     L RamsundaR

        There,  you have acted in a manner no more civilized than Azhar's.
Ignore, such guys and they'll shut up themselves.  

        One more thing,  I'd really appreciate if in future you'd confine your
attacks to Azhar.   He has hurt the religious feelings of a lot of rsc readers,
and you have every right to flame him, but in doing so spare the others.  In
short, I'm saying in future please take out the word muslim from the adjective
you've used to describe Azhar.  Of course, you can write what you wish, but I'm
sure a lot of people would appreciate if you'd confine yourself to DSQA.

regards,

Syed
--

        Thanksgiving For a National Victory (Robert Burns)
Ye hypocrites! are these your pranks? To *** men and give God thanks?
Desist, for shame! Proceed no further: God won't accept your thanks for ***.

|>      Dear Azhar
|>      Why the *** are you bringing in religious identity to our discussions
|>      on the net? Do you want me to call you a mulsim bastard? Tell me...

|>      Learn some manners before writing in this news groups..

One could say the same about you Ramsundar.  Your attitude and manners
are no better than Azhar's; worse in fact, as you are attempting to
sanctimoniously condemn his act, and do the same (quite possibly
worse) yourself.

|>      L RamsundaR

Bharat
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           I never called anyone anything!

           Wait... I have plenty of flames already.   If saying
"hindu-sounding-names" is hurting religious feelings then I differ
from your judgement.

           Mr. Ali:  All I am trying to do here is make a point.
Obviously tht point is being missed by you and everyone else.

           DS[Q]A

--
"With mathematics and physics, we insisted on perceiving the world to
be rational. So, miracles have ceased to happen. Now, vanishing is the
love and compassion which distinguishes us from the other beasts that
trod the face of this planet." -D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar

           There you go!  Mr. Rao your posting has made all the flames
and curses I inlicted on myself by posting a stupid parody.  We, the
sane Pakistanis and Indians realize that it is a two way street, and
that we need to reprimand foul-minded people.

           DS[Q]A

--
"With mathematics and physics, we insisted on perceiving the world to
be rational. So, miracles have ceased to happen. Now, vanishing is the
love and compassion which distinguishes us from the other beasts that
trod the face of this planet." -D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar

One is reminded of a line Bob Dylan sings in 'My Back Pages'

' Forgetting that I become mine enemy,
                        in the moment that I preach. '

- Napoleon in Rags

No, it does not hurt the religious feeling (at least to me). It only
shows what kind of bigot you are who cannot look beyond the religious
line. It did not hurt me, it only exposed your disgusting attitude
which you try to conceal so assiduously by uttering apparent rational
thoughts (e.g. your .sig file).

No wonder everyone is missing your point. Does it teach you that
ends does not always justify means? The route you took to make
your point, at the very least, is despicable.

Nilanjan

           Hardly!  The initial psoting I had a liberal sprinkling of
smilies, and wasn't meant to be taken in seriousness.

           The point I am making is that regardless of what is said, or
how it is said, Pakistanis and Indians do not appreciate snide remarks
about eahc other's teams, yet they don't do much to stop their
compatriots from making snide remarks about the other team.

           If you put your hatred for me aside, you will see the point I
am making... However, I feel that one of the primary reason I get
flamed is because I have a "muslim-sounding-name".

           It is ironic that ever since the first England-India series I
followed after coming to US, I became quite a fan of Indian cricket
team.  It is the disgusting attitude, and constant goading (email and
RSC) that I see on INTERNET that makes me feel out of place.

           Best regards,

                         Salman

--
"With mathematics and physics, we insisted on perceiving the world to
be rational. So, miracles have ceased to happen. Now, vanishing is the
love and compassion which distinguishes us from the other beasts that
trod the face of this planet." -D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar

Smileys are just a convenient facade that empowers someone to express
something despicable and then hope to dismiss rightful indignation
by using the convenient excuse of a smiley. You may intersperse
one smiley between each letter of your post, but that still won't
make what you post any funnier.

Well, I have a "muslim sounding name" and I am "flaming" you, for
no matter how much you or your fellow Pakistanis might have been
provocated by *some* equally distasteful remarks by *some* Indians
that still does not justify the tenor of your post. It is irrelevant
who did what first. One of the reason for the abundance of idignation
to your post was that you purport to carry a veneer of a "holier-than-
thou" attitude, while still stooping to the same stygian depths
that you ostensibly decry. The ends do not justify the means. Neither
do the means justify the ends.

- Zunaid [Possessing a Muslim sounding Name] Kazi

First, this is an unmoderated newsgroup. Nobody can "stop" others.
Second, when I read this newsgroup, I read it for cricket, and not for
forming a group of "compatriots" (whatever that means in this
context). Third, I am not responsible for the tasteless remarks of
others just because they are from India. I did not criticize you
because you are a Pakistani (actually never have I used the word
Pakistani or Muslim in my posts). Fourth, my main objection to your
post was not that it was juvenile. Yes, it was juvenile and was not of
nice taste, but you were *not the only one* guilty of that. My main
objection was, primarily, that you were trying to divide the Indians
along the religious line.  And finally, since you are a professor, I
expected you to behave little differently than average Tom,*** and
Harry -- was this expectation too much?

Wrong. I do not have any *hatred* towards you. I cannot possibly speak
on behalf of others, but I certainly did not criticize you for having a
"muslim-sounding-name". You can be rest assured of that. I like your
cricketing analysis and sense of humor (most of the time, even if it
is at my expense;-). Anyway, this is my last post in this thread.
Hopefully, we will be back to cricket and India's dismal performance
now.;-)  

Best regards to you too and wish an end to this thread.

Nilanjan

maybe, just maybe that you havent had made your point in the way it
should have been done :-)

srini

--
Blue Jays: 1993 World Champions

        Mr. Azhar, you, too, missed the point of my post. I do not
believe in  the theory of counter-retaliation which you are using to
justify your actions.  But, still it's your choice and I do not wish
to stop you from it....after all almost everyone seems to be doing
this.  What I do not condone is unnecessarily bringing in the religion
in a totally unrelated discussion.  

        Please try to understand:

        All Indians are not hindus, and
        All hindus are not Indians.

        That should be suffice to make you understand what was wrong
with your posting.  You have every right to make your point but in
making that point you unnecessarily dragged religion in.

regards,

Syed
--
--

        Thanksgiving For a National Victory (Robert Burns)
Ye hypocrites! are these your pranks? To *** men and give God thanks?

  If everyones missed it, maybe you should try making your point
  differently...

  Just a thought...

  Ciao,

- gautham -

If u ask me, everyone riding their high horse at the moment deploring
salman's "hindu sounding names" statement is being a bigot!.

The reason is....it is common knowledgethat most people on the net
determine the indian/pakistani nationality on the net by the name.

I do it. If a name sounds hindu, it's a safe bet that an indian is
writting and same goes for pakistanis and muslim sounding names.
There is nothing wrong in that.. in fact.. thats what names are
for and thats how ALL people use them.

So quit being bigots and open your eyes....salman has already highlighted
the fact that you people get all angry and agitated when someone picks
on your team and resort to all sorts of antics when pakistan loses.

So .. take a look in the mirror!

Tippu badshah...steping on to the front foot

           I guess I have been on RSC since its inception like yourself.
Since then I have tried just about anything, but nothing seems to
work.  I guess, neither does this.

           If you read my previous posts about the Indian religious
militant's threat to Pakistani cricket team, you will not find a
single reference to hinduism.  However, since providing commentary for
WI-Pak final on IRC, I have been bombarded by mails mixing cricket
with religious hatred.  I guess I was weak enough to be tainted with
some color through this harassment. :)

           DS[Q]A

--
"With mathematics and physics, we insisted on perceiving the world to
be rational. So, miracles have ceased to happen. Now, vanishing is the
love and compassion which distinguishes us from the other beasts that
trod the face of this planet." -D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar