Insecure Geoff Boycott is a waste of space - Steve Harmison

Insecure Geoff Boycott is a waste of space - Steve Harmison

Post by Villanov » Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:35:21


http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/england/content/current/story/343632....

Spat between Boycott and Harmison

Harmison hits out at Boycott

Cricinfo staff

March 23, 2008

Steve Harmison, the England fast bowler, has struck back at Geoff
Boycott after the former opening batsman had launched a scathing attack
at him in a column for Daily Telegraph.

Boycott had virtually written off Harmison after his poor display in the
first Test against New Zealand in Hamilton, urging the selectors not to
give him a central contract. "Since the Ashes series of 2005 he has been
poor, indifferent to bad. He's not got enough wickets and been given so
many chances," Boycott wrote in his column. "There comes a point when
the public and selectors get fed up and disillusioned with a guy not
delivering. That time has come. If he gets a central contract this
summer over some of the new kids, or any sort of central contract, then
a lot of us will be screaming: favouritism and a total waste of money.
England should forget him."

Harmison's reply was equally cutting. In his column for Mail on Sunday,
he has developed an equally well deserved reputation as someone who
thrives on kicking a man when he is down ... Enough is enough. His
remarks about me this week have gone beyond what is acceptable and it is
time someone stood up to him and told him so.

"People who only have a passing interest in the game hear the famous
Geoff Boycott Yorkshire accent and may think it gives some status to his
opinions. But inside the dressing room he has no status, he is just an
accent, some sort of caricature of a professional Yorkshireman."

Harmison went on to add that a couple of batsmen currently in the
England team didn't have a high opinion of Boycott either. "Their shared
experience was that when things weren't going well for them all they
heard from Boycott was him nailing them in the newspapers or on radio or
TV, then, if they made a century or played well, he would come up to
them full of compliments and try to ingratiate himself with them. I'm
not the only England player who has been forced to take it in the neck
from Boycott and I won't be the last."

Harmison also took a dig at Boycott for his comments on Australian fast
bowler Shaun Tait's decision to take a break from the game due to
exhaustion. Boycott had said Tait's decision had "lacked character".

"I wonder what Australia's Shaun Tait thought recently, when, after
announcing he was taking an indefinite break from the game due to
physical and emotional exhaustion, Boycott reacted by claiming he should
have shown more desire to work through his problems," Harmison wrote.
"You get the feeling that Boycott is an insecure man who needs to be
heard."

As a parting shot, Harmison had this to say to Boycott: "You say that if
England give me another central contract come October that would be
waste of money. To me, you are a waste of space."

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Insecure Geoff Boycott is a waste of space - Steve Harmison

Post by knucm » Tue, 25 Mar 2008 05:37:08

On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:35:21 -0800, Villanova

Quote:

>http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/england/content/current/story/343632....

>Spat between Boycott and Harmison

>Harmison hits out at Boycott

>Cricinfo staff

>March 23, 2008

>Steve Harmison, the England fast bowler, has struck back at Geoff
>Boycott after the former opening batsman had launched a scathing attack
>at him in a column for Daily Telegraph.

>Boycott had virtually written off Harmison after his poor display in the
>first Test against New Zealand in Hamilton, urging the selectors not to
>give him a central contract. "Since the Ashes series of 2005 he has been
>poor, indifferent to bad. He's not got enough wickets and been given so
>many chances," Boycott wrote in his column. "There comes a point when
>the public and selectors get fed up and disillusioned with a guy not
>delivering. That time has come. If he gets a central contract this
>summer over some of the new kids, or any sort of central contract, then
>a lot of us will be screaming: favouritism and a total waste of money.
>England should forget him."

>Harmison's reply was equally cutting. In his column for Mail on Sunday,

>he has developed an equally well deserved reputation as someone who
>thrives on kicking a man when he is down ... Enough is enough. His
>remarks about me this week have gone beyond what is acceptable and it is
>time someone stood up to him and told him so.

>"People who only have a passing interest in the game hear the famous
>Geoff Boycott Yorkshire accent and may think it gives some status to his
>opinions. But inside the dressing room he has no status, he is just an
>accent, some sort of caricature of a professional Yorkshireman."

>Harmison went on to add that a couple of batsmen currently in the
>England team didn't have a high opinion of Boycott either. "Their shared
>experience was that when things weren't going well for them all they
>heard from Boycott was him nailing them in the newspapers or on radio or
>TV, then, if they made a century or played well, he would come up to
>them full of compliments and try to ingratiate himself with them. I'm
>not the only England player who has been forced to take it in the neck
>from Boycott and I won't be the last."

>Harmison also took a dig at Boycott for his comments on Australian fast
>bowler Shaun Tait's decision to take a break from the game due to
>exhaustion. Boycott had said Tait's decision had "lacked character".

>"I wonder what Australia's Shaun Tait thought recently, when, after
>announcing he was taking an indefinite break from the game due to
>physical and emotional exhaustion, Boycott reacted by claiming he should
>have shown more desire to work through his problems," Harmison wrote.
>"You get the feeling that Boycott is an insecure man who needs to be
>heard."

>As a parting shot, Harmison had this to say to Boycott: "You say that if
>England give me another central contract come October that would be
>waste of money. To me, you are a waste of space."

Harmison does not have a leg to stand on.  Boycott attacked Harmison
for his performances, and as cutting as he may be, he is right to do
so in essence, because Harmison has been shocking since the Ashes.  He
was not attacking Harmison as a person, but his performances.
Harmison, who should really be more tough-skinned as a professional
cricketer, and who should be simply focusing on regaining some form
(and a justifiable central-contract) has chosen to respond by
attacking the man, Boycott, calling him 'insecure' and a 'waste of
space' which is a fallacy plain and simple.  And I do not know what a
'professional Yorkshireman' consists of: I don't know anyone who gets
paid for simply being a Yorkshiremen - if we did, life would very
easy!  The only way Harmison is going to stand up for himself without
resorting to the methods of his opponent is by standing up for himself
out there on the cricket ground, taking wickets.

 
 
 

Insecure Geoff Boycott is a waste of space - Steve Harmison

Post by Gavin Cawle » Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:03:14


Quote:
> http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/england/content/current/story/343632....

> Spat between Boycott and Harmison

> Harmison hits out at Boycott

> Cricinfo staff

> March 23, 2008

> Steve Harmison, the England fast bowler, has struck back at Geoff
> Boycott after the former opening batsman had launched a scathing attack
> at him in a column for Daily Telegraph.

> Boycott had virtually written off Harmison after his poor display in the
> first Test against New Zealand in Hamilton, urging the selectors not to
> give him a central contract. "Since the Ashes series of 2005 he has been
> poor, indifferent to bad. He's not got enough wickets and been given so
> many chances," Boycott wrote in his column. "There comes a point when
> the public and selectors get fed up and disillusioned with a guy not
> delivering. That time has come. If he gets a central contract this
> summer over some of the new kids, or any sort of central contract, then
> a lot of us will be screaming: favouritism and a total waste of money.
> England should forget him."

Well since the 2005 Ashes series, Harmison has played 22 games and
taken 74 wickets at 36.79 (according to statsguru), so I'd say that
Boycott had a point.  Harmison would be better off answering Boycott
by taking wickets.

 
 
 

Insecure Geoff Boycott is a waste of space - Steve Harmison

Post by Dave Cornwel » Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:27:22


Quote:

>> http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/england/content/current/story/343632....

>> Spat between Boycott and Harmison

>> Harmison hits out at Boycott

>> Cricinfo staff

>> March 23, 2008

>> Steve Harmison, the England fast bowler, has struck back at Geoff
>> Boycott after the former opening batsman had launched a scathing attack
>> at him in a column for Daily Telegraph.

>> Boycott had virtually written off Harmison after his poor display in the
>> first Test against New Zealand in Hamilton, urging the selectors not to
>> give him a central contract. "Since the Ashes series of 2005 he has been
>> poor, indifferent to bad. He's not got enough wickets and been given so
>> many chances," Boycott wrote in his column. "There comes a point when
>> the public and selectors get fed up and disillusioned with a guy not
>> delivering. That time has come. If he gets a central contract this
>> summer over some of the new kids, or any sort of central contract, then
>> a lot of us will be screaming: favouritism and a total waste of money.
>> England should forget him."

> Well since the 2005 Ashes series, Harmison has played 22 games and
> taken 74 wickets at 36.79 (according to statsguru), so I'd say that
> Boycott had a point.  Harmison would be better off answering Boycott
> by taking wickets.

-----------------------
He may well have a point but that does not get away from the fact that he is
a self opinionated bigot. He is a selfish person in life (ask his women
friends) and a selfish person in sport. (ask Derek Randall)
Dave
 
 
 

Insecure Geoff Boycott is a waste of space - Steve Harmison

Post by knucm » Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:30:03

On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 21:27:22 GMT, "Dave Cornwell"

Quote:

>He may well have a point but that does not get away from the fact that he is
>a self opinionated bigot. He is a selfish person in life (ask his women
>friends) and a selfish person in sport. (ask Derek Randall)
>Dave

Hi,

With all due respect, I thought the point was Harmison's profligacy -
not Boycott's selfish character- which was always a double-edged
sword, in that it motivated him to being one of England's top batsmen,
but also led to him being quite standoffish.

 
 
 

Insecure Geoff Boycott is a waste of space - Steve Harmison

Post by Robt » Tue, 25 Mar 2008 07:01:05

On 23 Mar, 21:27, "Dave Cornwell"

Quote:

> -----------------------
> He may well have a point but that does not get away from the fact that he is
> a self opinionated bigot. He is a selfish person in life (ask his women
> friends) and a selfish person in sport. (ask Derek Randall)

Exactly so....all credit to Harmison for his retort.
In more than 50 years of following the cricketing media, I can't
recall a more odious character than Boycott.
FST used to rile folks with some of his comments, but he was never as
offensive as his fellow Tyke.
From conversations with folk who have played FC, it is clear that the
list of players who detest Boycott - including dozens of his
contemporaries, both team mates and opponents - is endless.
Cheers
Robt P.
 
 
 

Insecure Geoff Boycott is a waste of space - Steve Harmison

Post by Gavin Cawle » Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:19:36

On 23 Mar, 21:27, "Dave Cornwell"

Quote:




> >>http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/england/content/current/story/343632....

> >> Spat between Boycott and Harmison

> >> Harmison hits out at Boycott

> >> Cricinfo staff

> >> March 23, 2008

> >> Steve Harmison, the England fast bowler, has struck back at Geoff
> >> Boycott after the former opening batsman had launched a scathing attack
> >> at him in a column for Daily Telegraph.

> >> Boycott had virtually written off Harmison after his poor display in the
> >> first Test against New Zealand in Hamilton, urging the selectors not to
> >> give him a central contract. "Since the Ashes series of 2005 he has been
> >> poor, indifferent to bad. He's not got enough wickets and been given so
> >> many chances," Boycott wrote in his column. "There comes a point when
> >> the public and selectors get fed up and disillusioned with a guy not
> >> delivering. That time has come. If he gets a central contract this
> >> summer over some of the new kids, or any sort of central contract, then
> >> a lot of us will be screaming: favouritism and a total waste of money.
> >> England should forget him."

> > Well since the 2005 Ashes series, Harmison has played 22 games and
> > taken 74 wickets at 36.79 (according to statsguru), so I'd say that
> > Boycott had a point.  Harmison would be better off answering Boycott
> > by taking wickets.

> -----------------------
> He may well have a point but that does not get away from the fact that he is
> a self opinionated bigot. He is a selfish person in life (ask his women
> friends) and a selfish person in sport. (ask Derek Randall)
> Dave

True, however the point I was making was that with figures like that
Harmison should be expecting criticism from the press and doing
something about it on the fielld rather than making personal attacks
(on someone whos psycological shortcomings are all to aparrent) in the
press.  His article was far more personal and unedifying than
Boycotts.
 
 
 

Insecure Geoff Boycott is a waste of space - Steve Harmison

Post by Dave Cornwel » Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:22:09


Quote:
> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 21:27:22 GMT, "Dave Cornwell"

>>He may well have a point but that does not get away from the fact that he
>>is
>>a self opinionated bigot. He is a selfish person in life (ask his women
>>friends) and a selfish person in sport. (ask Derek Randall)
>>Dave

> Hi,

> With all due respect, I thought the point was Harmison's profligacy -
> not Boycott's selfish character- which was always a double-edged
> sword, in that it motivated him to being one of England's top batsmen,
> but also led to him being quite standoffish.

-----------------
I have been one of Harmison's biggest critics and had to suffer his
performance in Australia. It is clear that he does not have the attitude for
an international cricketer. But that does not make him a bad person. Quite
the opposite, it would seem. Unlike Boycott, who is a self publicist with a
good statistical record but lost or at least caused as many draws for
England has he did secure victories. Many of the ex pro commentators (the
self effacing Gower excepted) seem to be good at dishing it out but
conveniently forget their own shortcomings. (e.g the expert captain, the
great Sir Ian!)
Dave
 
 
 

Insecure Geoff Boycott is a waste of space - Steve Harmison

Post by Gavin Cawle » Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:33:41

On 23 Mar, 23:22, "Dave Cornwell"

Quote:



> > On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 21:27:22 GMT, "Dave Cornwell"

> >>He may well have a point but that does not get away from the fact that he
> >>is
> >>a self opinionated bigot. He is a selfish person in life (ask his women
> >>friends) and a selfish person in sport. (ask Derek Randall)
> >>Dave

> > Hi,

> > With all due respect, I thought the point was Harmison's profligacy -
> > not Boycott's selfish character- which was always a double-edged
> > sword, in that it motivated him to being one of England's top batsmen,
> > but also led to him being quite standoffish.

> -----------------
> I have been one of Harmison's biggest critics and had to suffer his
> performance in Australia. It is clear that he does not have the attitude for
> an international cricketer. But that does not make him a bad person. Quite
> the opposite, it would seem.

Yes, but you don't give someone a central contract just for being a
good person, they are given to those who will take wickets or score
runs.  Boycotts article didn't make any personal criticism of Harmison
other than an implication that perhaps he didn't really have the
desire to be an international cricketer and that maybe a county career
with Durham might suit him better.  That is pretty much what you have
just written.

Also Boycott wasn't purely negative, he did point out Harmisons
potential, likening him to Curtly Ambrose, which is pretty high
praise!  It is a pity that he hasn't realised his potential.

 
 
 

Insecure Geoff Boycott is a waste of space - Steve Harmison

Post by **MattO* » Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:45:14

On Mar 24, 10:22?am, "Dave Cornwell"

Quote:

> -----------------
> I have been one of Harmison's biggest critics and had to suffer his
> performance in Australia. It is clear that he does not have the attitude for
> an international cricketer. But that does not make him a bad person. Quite
> the opposite, it would seem. Unlike Boycott, who is a self publicist with a
> good statistical record but lost or at least caused as many draws for
> England has he did secure victories. Many of the ex pro commentators (the
> self effacing Gower excepted) seem to be good at dishing it out but
> conveniently forget their own shortcomings. (e.g the expert captain, the
> great Sir Ian!)
> Dave

One thing not mentioned by Harmison and if he did some research he
could have nailed Boycott, especially over the Tait comments. Boycott
was in an self-imposed Test exile for three years when Lillee and
Thomson were at their peaks.
 
 
 

Insecure Geoff Boycott is a waste of space - Steve Harmison

Post by Jellor » Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:14:42


Quote:

> >http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/england/content/current/story/343632....

> > Spat between Boycott and Harmison

> > Harmison hits out at Boycott

> > Cricinfo staff

> > March 23, 2008

> > Steve Harmison, the England fast bowler, has struck back at Geoff
> > Boycott after the former opening batsman had launched a scathing attack
> > at him in a column for Daily Telegraph.

> > Boycott had virtually written off Harmison after his poor display in the
> > first Test against New Zealand in Hamilton, urging the selectors not to
> > give him a central contract. "Since the Ashes series of 2005 he has been
> > poor, indifferent to bad. He's not got enough wickets and been given so
> > many chances," Boycott wrote in his column. "There comes a point when
> > the public and selectors get fed up and disillusioned with a guy not
> > delivering. That time has come. If he gets a central contract this
> > summer over some of the new kids, or any sort of central contract, then
> > a lot of us will be screaming: favouritism and a total waste of money.
> > England should forget him."

> Well since the 2005 Ashes series, Harmison has played 22 games and
> taken 74 wickets at 36.79 (according to statsguru), so I'd say that
> Boycott had a point. ?Harmison would be better off answering Boycott
> by taking wickets.

His average is ordinary. however 74 wickets in 22 games is hardly a
failure. Granted he has not hit the heights of 2005. However if
Boycott is going to shout his mouth off, he should expect a response
from Harmison.

Boycott's recent slaying of Tait was very weak indeed.

 
 
 

Insecure Geoff Boycott is a waste of space - Steve Harmison

Post by Gavin Cawle » Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:27:47


Quote:


> > >http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/england/content/current/story/343632....

> > > Spat between Boycott and Harmison

> > > Harmison hits out at Boycott

> > > Cricinfo staff

> > > March 23, 2008

> > > Steve Harmison, the England fast bowler, has struck back at Geoff
> > > Boycott after the former opening batsman had launched a scathing attack
> > > at him in a column for Daily Telegraph.

> > > Boycott had virtually written off Harmison after his poor display in the
> > > first Test against New Zealand in Hamilton, urging the selectors not to
> > > give him a central contract. "Since the Ashes series of 2005 he has been
> > > poor, indifferent to bad. He's not got enough wickets and been given so
> > > many chances," Boycott wrote in his column. "There comes a point when
> > > the public and selectors get fed up and disillusioned with a guy not
> > > delivering. That time has come. If he gets a central contract this
> > > summer over some of the new kids, or any sort of central contract, then
> > > a lot of us will be screaming: favouritism and a total waste of money.
> > > England should forget him."

> > Well since the 2005 Ashes series, Harmison has played 22 games and
> > taken 74 wickets at 36.79 (according to statsguru), so I'd say that
> > Boycott had a point.  Harmison would be better off answering Boycott
> > by taking wickets.

> His average is ordinary. however 74 wickets in 22 games is hardly a
> failure. Granted he has not hit the heights of 2005.

"not being a failure" is not a good reason for having a central
contract or being in the side.  The place should go to someone capable
of actively being a success.  Harmison has had plenty of opportunity
to sort himself out, but he hasn't, there has to come a point where he
gets dropped.  That is basically all the Boycott said as far as I can
see.

Quote:
> However if
> Boycott is going to shout his mouth off, he should expect a response
> from Harmison.

Except that Boycotts critcisim was quite measured and reasonable.
Harmison hasn't been performing, so the central contract should go to
someone else.

Quote:
> Boycott's recent slaying of Tait was very weak indeed.

You have a much better point there.
 
 
 

Insecure Geoff Boycott is a waste of space - Steve Harmison

Post by knucm » Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:38:27

On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:45:14 -0700 (PDT), "**MattO**"

Quote:

>On Mar 24, 10:22?am, "Dave Cornwell"

>> -----------------
>> I have been one of Harmison's biggest critics and had to suffer his
>> performance in Australia. It is clear that he does not have the attitude for
>> an international cricketer. But that does not make him a bad person. Quite
>> the opposite, it would seem. Unlike Boycott, who is a self publicist with a
>> good statistical record but lost or at least caused as many draws for
>> England has he did secure victories. Many of the ex pro commentators (the
>> self effacing Gower excepted) seem to be good at dishing it out but
>> conveniently forget their own shortcomings. (e.g the expert captain, the
>> great Sir Ian!)
>> Dave

>One thing not mentioned by Harmison and if he did some research he
>could have nailed Boycott, especially over the Tait comments. Boycott
>was in an self-imposed Test exile for three years when Lillee and
>Thomson were at their peaks.

That's not quite valid.  Lillee had been out of cricket for nearly 2
years and Thomson had not played prior to 1974 for 2 years... He
scored a 261 not out against Roberts and Holding in 1974, and England
did not lose when Boycott got a century.
 
 
 

Insecure Geoff Boycott is a waste of space - Steve Harmison

Post by David Nort » Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:28:06


Quote:
> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:45:14 -0700 (PDT), "**MattO**"

>>On Mar 24, 10:22 am, "Dave Cornwell"

>>> -----------------
>>> I have been one of Harmison's biggest critics and had to suffer his
>>> performance in Australia. It is clear that he does not have the attitude
>>> for
>>> an international cricketer. But that does not make him a bad person.
>>> Quite
>>> the opposite, it would seem. Unlike Boycott, who is a self publicist
>>> with a
>>> good statistical record but lost or at least caused as many draws for
>>> England has he did secure victories. Many of the ex pro commentators
>>> (the
>>> self effacing Gower excepted) seem to be good at dishing it out but
>>> conveniently forget their own shortcomings. (e.g the expert captain, the
>>> great Sir Ian!)
>>> Dave

>>One thing not mentioned by Harmison and if he did some research he
>>could have nailed Boycott, especially over the Tait comments. Boycott
>>was in an self-imposed Test exile for three years when Lillee and
>>Thomson were at their peaks.

> That's not quite valid.  Lillee had been out of cricket for nearly 2
> years and Thomson had not played prior to 1974 for 2 years... He
> scored a 261 not out against Roberts and Holding in 1974, and England
> did not lose when Boycott got a century.

That last bit reminds me of the frequently-stated-at-the-time stat about
Liverpool never having lost when Ian Rush scored. It's more of a curiosity
than a meaningful statistic.

England have only lost once when Harmison has taken a five-for (Lord's
2005); in fact they have won on the other six occasions, including once when
he did so in both innings, but so what?
--
David North

 
 
 

Insecure Geoff Boycott is a waste of space - Steve Harmison

Post by Mad Hamis » Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:30:30

On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:01:05 -0700 (PDT), Robt P

Quote:

>On 23 Mar, 21:27, "Dave Cornwell"

>> -----------------------
>> He may well have a point but that does not get away from the fact that he is
>> a self opinionated bigot. He is a selfish person in life (ask his women
>> friends) and a selfish person in sport. (ask Derek Randall)

>Exactly so....all credit to Harmison for his retort.

Why?
Boycott is a cricket reporter.
Harmison is a cricket player who has not performed well enough for
several years.
Boycott is doing his job in commenting on Harmison and it is certainly
a valid argument that Harmison does not deserver a central contract.

Quote:
>In more than 50 years of following the cricketing media, I can't
>recall a more odious character than Boycott.
>FST used to rile folks with some of his comments, but he was never as
>offensive as his fellow Tyke.
>From conversations with folk who have played FC, it is clear that the
>list of players who detest Boycott - including dozens of his
>contemporaries, both team mates and opponents - is endless.

--
"Hope is replaced by fear and dreams by survival, most of us get by."
Stuart Adamson 1958-2001

Mad Hamish
Hamish Laws