"Fantastic" Gavaskar of the 80s[To Ravi Krishna]

"Fantastic" Gavaskar of the 80s[To Ravi Krishna]

Post by Narayanan Amman » Fri, 13 Jun 1997 04:00:00



: >This is the sum total of the performance of the "Fantastic" Gavaskar of the
: >80s who was "NOT a Spent Force" like "Kapil after 84".

: in 1984 was 25 years old.  SMG till his last innings ( that 96 againt Pak)
: was never a liability.  The same can't be said about Kapil.  In fact he was
: responsible for Srinath's keeping out of test cricket from 1992 to 1994.

I agree.

: is twice his good days.  SMG was great for his first 9 years , good for next

Exaggeration by an SMG fan. I don't think SMG was Great till
'75. Any way SMG was Great between '75-'80 and '71. In all 7 years.
Kapil was damn good between '78 and '83 then here and there
some good series.

: 7 years. G R Vishwanath was good till 1979.  In his last 3 years he was so bad
: that he actually became a liability and was hence kicked out.

: Looks like my attack on Kapil is irritating you and hence the retaliation.

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"Fantastic" Gavaskar of the 80s[To Ravi Krishna]

Post by Ravi Krish » Fri, 13 Jun 1997 04:00:00


Quote:
>Exaggeration by an SMG fan. I don't think SMG was Great till
>'75. Any way SMG was Great between '75-'80 and '71. In all 7 years.
>Kapil was damn good between '78 and '83 then here and there
>some good series.

AMN , you don't have to take out a calendar to see when SMG was great and
when not.  My statement was not to be taken in literal sense.  BTW I can also
argue that Kapil was not great from 1978 to 1983 fully.  He was not good in
1978.  Again he was not good for sometime in 1981 ( in NZ). Again he was not
good in 1982 .... ( like this we can argue stupidly).

 
 
 

"Fantastic" Gavaskar of the 80s[To Ravi Krishna]

Post by shr.. » Sat, 14 Jun 1997 04:00:00



: : >This is the sum total of the performance of the "Fantastic" Gavaskar of the
: : >80s who was "NOT a Spent Force" like "Kapil after 84".

: : in 1984 was 25 years old.  SMG till his last innings ( that 96 againt Pak)
: : was never a liability.  The same can't be said about Kapil.  In fact he was
: : responsible for Srinath's keeping out of test cricket from 1992 to 1994.

How can u say that??Srinath's performance in his debut series in Australia
was nothing exceptional.Agreed he came in as a 1 down speeddster but u can't help
it, thats the way all the medium pacers of India are introduced, even Prabhakar.

Moreover, Kapil did very well after a long time in that Aus series of '91-92;
even in India against England, he  and Prabhakar were chipping in with the usual
wickets here and there(of course the spinneres were doing all the damage), so there
was no need to play Srinath.But he sure was taken in for the ODIs where he did
nothing exceptional.So, there has been no injustice against Srinath at all.
And Kapil was not a liability at all.

: : is twice his good days.  SMG was great for his first 9 years , good for next

Why can't u apply the same logic to Kapil???Also, a batsman can do well upto
whatever age he wants.gavaskar could have easily continued if he wanted to.
Geoff Boycott played till he was 43.

: : 7 years. G R Vishwanath was good till 1979.  In his last 3 years he was so bad
: : that he actually became a liability and was hence kicked out.

No comments. :-)[Irrelavant stats]

: : Looks like my attack on Kapil is irritating you and hence the retaliation.

Of course, this is a counter arguement, nothing more than that.
Besides, u yourself got irritated when somebody omitted gavaskar
unintentionally and that was his personal choice of players that he liked.
So, i decided to play the same game on you by trying to find weak spots
of Gavaskar, who incidentally was also my favourite player.Besides u unnecessarily
abuse Kapil just because he had a personality clash against your favourite,SMG.

Shridhar.

 
 
 

"Fantastic" Gavaskar of the 80s[To Ravi Krishna]

Post by Muhammad A. Qidwa » Sat, 14 Jun 1997 04:00:00

God! you guys are amazing :-). All this subjectivity is unbelievable.
Pardon my bluntness.

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Siddiq Qidwai

Quote:



> : : >This is the sum total of the performance of the "Fantastic"
> Gavaskar of the
> : : >80s who was "NOT a Spent Force" like "Kapil after 84".

> : : in 1984 was 25 years old.  SMG till his last innings ( that 96
> againt Pak)
> : : was never a liability.  The same can't be said about Kapil.  In
> fact he was
> : : responsible for Srinath's keeping out of test cricket from 1992 to
> 1994.

> How can u say that??Srinath's performance in his debut series in
> Australia
> was nothing exceptional.Agreed he came in as a 1 down speeddster but u
> can't help
> it, thats the way all the medium pacers of India are introduced, even
> Prabhakar.

> Moreover, Kapil did very well after a long time in that Aus series of
> '91-92;
> even in India against England, he  and Prabhakar were chipping in with
> the usual
> wickets here and there(of course the spinneres were doing all the
> damage), so there
> was no need to play Srinath.But he sure was taken in for the ODIs
> where he did
> nothing exceptional.So, there has been no injustice against Srinath at
> all.
> And Kapil was not a liability at all.

> : : is twice his good days.  SMG was great for his first 9 years ,
> good for next

> Why can't u apply the same logic to Kapil???Also, a batsman can do
> well upto
> whatever age he wants.gavaskar could have easily continued if he
> wanted to.
> Geoff Boycott played till he was 43.

> : : 7 years. G R Vishwanath was good till 1979.  In his last 3 years
> he was so bad
> : : that he actually became a liability and was hence kicked out.

> No comments. :-)[Irrelavant stats]

> : : Looks like my attack on Kapil is irritating you and hence the
> retaliation.

> Of course, this is a counter arguement, nothing more than that.
> Besides, u yourself got irritated when somebody omitted gavaskar
> unintentionally and that was his personal choice of players that he
> liked.
> So, i decided to play the same game on you by trying to find weak
> spots
> of Gavaskar, who incidentally was also my favourite player.Besides u
> unnecessarily
> abuse Kapil just because he had a personality clash against your
> favourite,SMG.

> Shridhar.

 
 
 

"Fantastic" Gavaskar of the 80s[To Ravi Krishna]

Post by Narayanan Amman » Mon, 16 Jun 1997 04:00:00

: Moreover, Kapil did very well after a long time in that Aus series of '91-92;
: even in India against England, he  and Prabhakar were chipping in with the usual
: wickets here and there(of course the spinneres were doing all the damage), so there
: was no need to play Srinath.But he sure was taken in for the ODIs where he did
: nothing exceptional.So, there has been no injustice against Srinath at all.
: And Kapil was not a liability at all.

Prabhakar was a very mediocre bowler. He had one good series.
In all he had some 96 wkts in 39 Tests. Definitely Srinath was a better bowler.
As far as ODI goes there are not many bowlers who got their first 100 wkts
faster than Srinath. Only Waqar, Warne, Saqlain and Donald
got 100 wkts faster. To say that is not spectacular is incorrect.
Prabhakar of course was a useful bat.

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"Fantastic" Gavaskar of the 80s[To Ravi Krishna]

Post by shr.. » Mon, 16 Jun 1997 04:00:00

: Prabhakar was a very mediocre bowler. He had one good series.

Well, mediocre to you maybe.He did very well in Pak in '89
where he rediscovered his bowling talents, did well again with
Kapil in the '91-92 series in Australia and then the home series
"Turners" trend started but he chipped in with wickets here and
there.Moreover, he was always a good performer in the ODIs
where he did better than Kapil and Srinath in picking up wickets.
Moreover,he was performing better than Kapil in the latter's lean
phase.So, Praqbhakar can never be called a liability in srinath's
presence.The one compalint i have about the lack of use of Srinath
is that he was not made to open the Bowling for his quickness.
But i blame Azhar for this.(we all know about his  captaincy!)
OTOH, by the same standards you were arguing in one of your previous
threads that Kuruvilla should be the third bowler.Why not make him
open with Srinath if u are pissed off in Srinath's case.Prasad
from the beginning has always been good owith the old ball.Remember
how he came back to bowl splendidly after getting whacked in the beginning
in the WC against Pakistan.

: In all he had some 96 wkts in 39 Tests. Definitely Srinath was a better bowler.

U are including a lot of Tests here when he was having a tough time
in his career in the beginning.After '89, he did real well.
While talking about Prabhakar,i mean only the Prabhakar of the
post '89 phase.

Srinath is unique in the sense that he is the first fast bowler of India.
Very hard working and hence successful but not talented for sure.

BTW, i don't know why Prabhakar's name came in this discussion about Kapil's
supposed liability accusation by Ravi Krishna.

Shridhar.

 
 
 

"Fantastic" Gavaskar of the 80s[To Ravi Krishna]

Post by Narayanan Amman » Wed, 18 Jun 1997 04:00:00


: : Prabhakar was a very mediocre bowler. He had one good series.

: : In all he had some 96 wkts in 39 Tests. Definitely Srinath was a better bowler.

: U are including a lot of Tests here when he was having a tough time
: in his career in the beginning.After '89, he did real well.

Last 15 Tests he had 39 wkts. Do you really call it really well ?
I am not saying Prabhakar was a liabality. But to say he did really
well after '89 I find it as an exaggeration.

: BTW, i don't know why Prabhakar's name came in this discussion about Kapil's
: supposed liability accusation by Ravi Krishna.

I didn't use Prabhakar's name first. But I too felt Kapil was playing for
records in '90s. But  Kapil was the best bowler India produced. Besides
I feel Kapil's early days are comparable with Ambrose.

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