SA batting conditions and current Indian team

SA batting conditions and current Indian team

Post by Ra » Wed, 15 Jan 2003 23:07:07


We have seen the current Indian team not able to bat in the NZ
conditions. All batsmen except Sehwag and Yuvraj ended up with next to
nothing scores. Do you guys think that Indian batsmen still cannot be
counted out and that they might end up with some miracle in SA
conditions? OR do u think the same trend will continue in WC?  And
what do u think are our chances of reaching super-six...?
 
 
 

SA batting conditions and current Indian team

Post by Mike Holman » Wed, 15 Jan 2003 23:19:18


the keyboard and brought forth:

Quote:
>We have seen the current Indian team not able to bat in the NZ
>conditions. All batsmen except Sehwag and Yuvraj ended up with next to
>nothing scores. Do you guys think that Indian batsmen still cannot be
>counted out and that they might end up with some miracle in SA
>conditions? OR do u think the same trend will continue in WC?  And
>what do u think are our chances of reaching super-six...?

On present form, pretty low. It's really a question of whether either
England or India can manage to beat Zimbabwe, which neither look
likely to do at the present rate.

Cheers,

Mike

 
 
 

SA batting conditions and current Indian team

Post by Shishir Patha » Thu, 16 Jan 2003 00:09:15


Quote:
> We have seen the current Indian team not able to bat in the NZ
> conditions. All batsmen except Sehwag and Yuvraj ended up with next to
> nothing scores. Do you guys think that Indian batsmen still cannot be
> counted out and that they might end up with some miracle in SA
> conditions?

Miracles?  Yes.  Miracles can never be ruled out.

Quote:
> OR do u think the same trend will continue in WC?

Yes.  But given Kumble's and Khan's batting form, we will cross 150 more
often.

Quote:
> And
> what do u think are our chances of reaching super-six...?

Yashwant Sinha should use his Commonwealth connections to convince Aus and
England not to play in Zimbabwe.  Then Dalmiya can convince the ICC to knock
these two sides out of the tourament.  After that we have a fighting chance
to make the top 6.

Cheers,

Shishir

 
 
 

SA batting conditions and current Indian team

Post by Bob Dube » Thu, 16 Jan 2003 00:17:05


Quote:
>We have seen the current Indian team not able to bat in the NZ
>conditions. All batsmen except Sehwag and Yuvraj ended up with next to
>nothing scores. Do you guys think that Indian batsmen still cannot be
>counted out and that they might end up with some miracle in SA
>conditions? OR do u think the same trend will continue in WC?  And
>what do u think are our chances of reaching super-six...?

Well, it's not certain what the conditions are going to be like for
the CWC. The pitches we have seen so far this summer have, with one or
two exceptions, been seam friendly strips that offered quite a bit of
bounce. Not exactly what you'd want for the CWC (and the Wanderers -
venue for the final - has been especially worrying in this regard).

Noises from the organisers suggest that we will see flatter strips
with oodles of runs in them, but why would all these groundsmen put a
lot of work into preparing strips that happen to suit the SA attack
pretty nicely?

 
 
 

SA batting conditions and current Indian team

Post by JLichte » Thu, 16 Jan 2003 11:26:58

Quote:


> >We have seen the current Indian team not able to bat in the NZ
> >conditions. All batsmen except Sehwag and Yuvraj ended up with next to
> >nothing scores. Do you guys think that Indian batsmen still cannot be
> >counted out and that they might end up with some miracle in SA
> >conditions? OR do u think the same trend will continue in WC?  And
> >what do u think are our chances of reaching super-six...?

> Well, it's not certain what the conditions are going to be like for
> the CWC. The pitches we have seen so far this summer have, with one or
> two exceptions, been seam friendly strips that offered quite a bit of
> bounce. Not exactly what you'd want for the CWC (and the Wanderers -
> venue for the final - has been especially worrying in this regard).

> Noises from the organisers suggest that we will see flatter strips
> with oodles of runs in them, but why would all these groundsmen put a
> lot of work into preparing strips that happen to suit the SA attack
> pretty nicely?

To be fair to India, these NZ strips have not been particularly good
ones. At least 3 of the ODIs were on particularly poor wickets, per
Wisden reports.

Its also worth looking at where and who India will be playing.  I
expect India will beat Zim - frankly, the Zim side have had little
cricket and are a rather poor side, even for Zim.

India start off against Holland at Boland Park, Paarl. They will win
on that ground, which is relatively small, and against that
opposition.

They next play Aus at Centurion, which has become a very fast wicket.
However, I dont think this match will be as much of a mismatch as
people think, epecially if one of McGrath or Gillespie is unable to
play. But then again, I expect Aus to be the surprise flop of the WC
(call me crazy, I know). Altho its a quick wicket, its not a sideways
seaming wicket, as has been the case in NZ. Also, this is a day game,
which means atmospheric conditions should remain relatively stable,
giving India a better chance in the event they have to chase an Aus
total.  Unfortunately for India, it also means conditions wont be
helpful to them when they bowl, and they may need that.

Next India play Zim in Harare. India will win that one. Not sure what
the Harare wicket is like, but Zim are so poor India will win.

Then its India v Namibia at Pietermaritzburg. Does the venue really
matter? Namibia were way outclassed in the RSA domestics, India should
be able to bat them right out of things. Pietermaritzburg's close
proximity to Durban might mean a streong Indian fan base attend the
match, if the fans think the match is worth attending at all.

Next: England v India at Kingsmead.  The Kingsmead pitch has
traditionally been quick and seam friendly, but lately has been a
better batting wicket. Supposedly its going to be the same pitch that
was used for the Pak-RSA Test, which should give India a chance,
especially against England, who have little bowling of great concern.
However, the match is played under lights, which might favor the team
batting first, and England's seamers, especially if India have to
chase. Late rain is a possibility, which could also hurt India if
batting second - but really help if they bat first.

Finally, Pak v India is at Centurion.  This will be the toughest match
for India.  Again, with it being a day game, they might be able to
negate some of the seam movement the Pakistanis can get, and with a
quick wicket sometimes the quicker bowlers just go to the boundary
quicker, but a full-strength Pak attack would fancy their chances on
this wicket against the Indian bats.

At the Super Six stage, India might prefer to play in East London, PE
and Newlands, in that order. The other venues (Centurion, JHB, Durban,
Bloem) might be less favorable.

 
 
 

SA batting conditions and current Indian team

Post by Ra » Thu, 16 Jan 2003 20:58:49

Quote:



> > >We have seen the current Indian team not able to bat in the NZ
> > >conditions. All batsmen except Sehwag and Yuvraj ended up with next to
> > >nothing scores. Do you guys think that Indian batsmen still cannot be
> > >counted out and that they might end up with some miracle in SA
> > >conditions? OR do u think the same trend will continue in WC?  And
> > >what do u think are our chances of reaching super-six...?

> > Well, it's not certain what the conditions are going to be like for
> > the CWC. The pitches we have seen so far this summer have, with one or
> > two exceptions, been seam friendly strips that offered quite a bit of
> > bounce. Not exactly what you'd want for the CWC (and the Wanderers -
> > venue for the final - has been especially worrying in this regard).

> > Noises from the organisers suggest that we will see flatter strips
> > with oodles of runs in them, but why would all these groundsmen put a
> > lot of work into preparing strips that happen to suit the SA attack
> > pretty nicely?

> To be fair to India, these NZ strips have not been particularly good
> ones. At least 3 of the ODIs were on particularly poor wickets, per
> Wisden reports.

> Its also worth looking at where and who India will be playing.  I
> expect India will beat Zim - frankly, the Zim side have had little
> cricket and are a rather poor side, even for Zim.

> India start off against Holland at Boland Park, Paarl. They will win
> on that ground, which is relatively small, and against that
> opposition.

> They next play Aus at Centurion, which has become a very fast wicket.
> However, I dont think this match will be as much of a mismatch as
> people think, epecially if one of McGrath or Gillespie is unable to
> play. But then again, I expect Aus to be the surprise flop of the WC
> (call me crazy, I know). Altho its a quick wicket, its not a sideways
> seaming wicket, as has been the case in NZ. Also, this is a day game,
> which means atmospheric conditions should remain relatively stable,
> giving India a better chance in the event they have to chase an Aus
> total.  Unfortunately for India, it also means conditions wont be
> helpful to them when they bowl, and they may need that.

> Next India play Zim in Harare. India will win that one. Not sure what
> the Harare wicket is like, but Zim are so poor India will win.

> Then its India v Namibia at Pietermaritzburg. Does the venue really
> matter? Namibia were way outclassed in the RSA domestics, India should
> be able to bat them right out of things. Pietermaritzburg's close
> proximity to Durban might mean a streong Indian fan base attend the
> match, if the fans think the match is worth attending at all.

> Next: England v India at Kingsmead.  The Kingsmead pitch has
> traditionally been quick and seam friendly, but lately has been a
> better batting wicket. Supposedly its going to be the same pitch that
> was used for the Pak-RSA Test, which should give India a chance,
> especially against England, who have little bowling of great concern.
> However, the match is played under lights, which might favor the team
> batting first, and England's seamers, especially if India have to
> chase. Late rain is a possibility, which could also hurt India if
> batting second - but really help if they bat first.

> Finally, Pak v India is at Centurion.  This will be the toughest match
> for India.  Again, with it being a day game, they might be able to
> negate some of the seam movement the Pakistanis can get, and with a
> quick wicket sometimes the quicker bowlers just go to the boundary
> quicker, but a full-strength Pak attack would fancy their chances on
> this wicket against the Indian bats.

> At the Super Six stage, India might prefer to play in East London, PE
> and Newlands, in that order. The other venues (Centurion, JHB, Durban,
> Bloem) might be less favorable.

I would'nt say for sure that the current Indian team it its current
form can win against Zimbabwe without much fight...Against pakistan ,
our team might fight it out and win is what I guess,given that
pakistan is also in equally bad form ..........England , since it is a
day and night, gives advantage to the team batting first..Toss is
critical......
 
 
 

SA batting conditions and current Indian team

Post by JLichte » Fri, 17 Jan 2003 01:24:26

Quote:




> > > >We have seen the current Indian team not able to bat in the NZ
> > > >conditions. All batsmen except Sehwag and Yuvraj ended up with next to
> > > >nothing scores. Do you guys think that Indian batsmen still cannot be
> > > >counted out and that they might end up with some miracle in SA
> > > >conditions? OR do u think the same trend will continue in WC?  And
> > > >what do u think are our chances of reaching super-six...?

> > > Well, it's not certain what the conditions are going to be like for
> > > the CWC. The pitches we have seen so far this summer have, with one or
> > > two exceptions, been seam friendly strips that offered quite a bit of
> > > bounce. Not exactly what you'd want for the CWC (and the Wanderers -
> > > venue for the final - has been especially worrying in this regard).

> > > Noises from the organisers suggest that we will see flatter strips
> > > with oodles of runs in them, but why would all these groundsmen put a
> > > lot of work into preparing strips that happen to suit the SA attack
> > > pretty nicely?

> > To be fair to India, these NZ strips have not been particularly good
> > ones. At least 3 of the ODIs were on particularly poor wickets, per
> > Wisden reports.

> > Its also worth looking at where and who India will be playing.  I
> > expect India will beat Zim - frankly, the Zim side have had little
> > cricket and are a rather poor side, even for Zim.

> > India start off against Holland at Boland Park, Paarl. They will win
> > on that ground, which is relatively small, and against that
> > opposition.

> > They next play Aus at Centurion, which has become a very fast wicket.
> > However, I dont think this match will be as much of a mismatch as
> > people think, epecially if one of McGrath or Gillespie is unable to
> > play. But then again, I expect Aus to be the surprise flop of the WC
> > (call me crazy, I know). Altho its a quick wicket, its not a sideways
> > seaming wicket, as has been the case in NZ. Also, this is a day game,
> > which means atmospheric conditions should remain relatively stable,
> > giving India a better chance in the event they have to chase an Aus
> > total.  Unfortunately for India, it also means conditions wont be
> > helpful to them when they bowl, and they may need that.

> > Next India play Zim in Harare. India will win that one. Not sure what
> > the Harare wicket is like, but Zim are so poor India will win.

> > Then its India v Namibia at Pietermaritzburg. Does the venue really
> > matter? Namibia were way outclassed in the RSA domestics, India should
> > be able to bat them right out of things. Pietermaritzburg's close
> > proximity to Durban might mean a streong Indian fan base attend the
> > match, if the fans think the match is worth attending at all.

> > Next: England v India at Kingsmead.  The Kingsmead pitch has
> > traditionally been quick and seam friendly, but lately has been a
> > better batting wicket. Supposedly its going to be the same pitch that
> > was used for the Pak-RSA Test, which should give India a chance,
> > especially against England, who have little bowling of great concern.
> > However, the match is played under lights, which might favor the team
> > batting first, and England's seamers, especially if India have to
> > chase. Late rain is a possibility, which could also hurt India if
> > batting second - but really help if they bat first.

> > Finally, Pak v India is at Centurion.  This will be the toughest match
> > for India.  Again, with it being a day game, they might be able to
> > negate some of the seam movement the Pakistanis can get, and with a
> > quick wicket sometimes the quicker bowlers just go to the boundary
> > quicker, but a full-strength Pak attack would fancy their chances on
> > this wicket against the Indian bats.

> > At the Super Six stage, India might prefer to play in East London, PE
> > and Newlands, in that order. The other venues (Centurion, JHB, Durban,
> > Bloem) might be less favorable.

> I would'nt say for sure that the current Indian team it its current
> form can win against Zimbabwe without much fight...Against pakistan ,
> our team might fight it out and win is what I guess,given that
> pakistan is also in equally bad form ..........England , since it is a
> day and night, gives advantage to the team batting first..Toss is
> critical......

Too many Indian fans are overreacting to the NZ series.
 
 
 

SA batting conditions and current Indian team

Post by J Na » Fri, 17 Jan 2003 07:10:11

Quote:


> the keyboard and brought forth:

> >We have seen the current Indian team not able to bat in the NZ
> >conditions. All batsmen except Sehwag and Yuvraj ended up with next to
> >nothing scores. Do you guys think that Indian batsmen still cannot be
> >counted out and that they might end up with some miracle in SA
> >conditions? OR do u think the same trend will continue in WC?  And
> >what do u think are our chances of reaching super-six...?

> On present form, pretty low. It's really a question of whether either
> England or India can manage to beat Zimbabwe, which neither look
> likely to do at the present rate.

> Cheers,

> Mike

 The poor performance by the Indians in NZ was a deliberate and
 brilliant strategy to get get counted out before the world cup.

 This unfancied horse will spring a surprise and will come from behind
 to clinch the cup.

 
 
 

SA batting conditions and current Indian team

Post by Net_He » Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:06:36

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Quote:

> > I would'nt say for sure that the current Indian team it its current
> > form can win against Zimbabwe without much fight...Against pakistan ,
> > our team might fight it out and win is what I guess,given that
> > pakistan is also in equally bad form ..........England , since it is a
> > day and night, gives advantage to the team batting first..Toss is
> > critical......

> Too many Indian fans are overreacting to the NZ series.

That should be added to the list of things that never change on RSC.

Cheers,
Net_head

 
 
 

SA batting conditions and current Indian team

Post by sude » Fri, 17 Jan 2003 15:33:39

wow!!! after a long depressing series this post actually gave me a
little bit of hope!!!

Quote:

> Too many Indian fans are overreacting to the NZ series.