My team for second test against West Indies 'A'

My team for second test against West Indies 'A'

Post by Desai Shanta » Thu, 03 Dec 1998 04:00:00


I guess we need to prepare a spinners' paradise for the second test.
My team for 2nd test against West Indies 'A" would be:

S Ramesh
D Gandhi
W Jaffer
P Amre
A khurasia
R Gavaskar
S Karim
R Chauhan(C)
V Raju(VC)
A Kuruvilla
Harvinder S

I bet you this team will win the second test against West Indies A.
But alas will the selectors ever learn?Reverand, your comments on the
above team and what chances would you give.
Also to all Chauhan bashers you will soon realise his worth to the side when
 India stop winning test matches at home after he is no longer in the
 side.No longer will you have a bowler who has the knack of breaking up
 stubborn partnerships,picking up crucial wickets etc.Can any of you
name even one test match which India has lost when Chauhan was present in the
side?
Shantanu
[happy that Dighe is back in form who just might be India's answer to
Kaluwitharna,Gilchrist etc for one-day games]

 
 
 

My team for second test against West Indies 'A'

Post by Ketan Pate » Thu, 03 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> I guess we need to prepare a spinners' paradise for the second test.
> My team for 2nd test against West Indies 'A" would be:

> S Ramesh
> D Gandhi
> W Jaffer
> P Amre
> A khurasia
> R Gavaskar

    Just a question, why R Gavaskar is in the team? What has he done to merrit a
place in A-team
    besides being son of S Gavaskar?

    I've been following his scores in all these national teams and never saw him
scored much; unless
    i missed something....

   anyway i was just querious to find out if he really deserves a place in
A-team.

 
 
 

My team for second test against West Indies 'A'

Post by roshan.. » Thu, 03 Dec 1998 04:00:00



Quote:
> I guess we need to prepare a spinners' paradise for the second test.
> My team for 2nd test against West Indies 'A" would be:

> S Ramesh
> D Gandhi
> W Jaffer
> P Amre
> A khurasia
> R Gavaskar
> S Karim
> R Chauhan(C)
> V Raju(VC)
> A Kuruvilla
> Harvinder S

> I bet you this team will win the second test against West Indies A.
> But alas will the selectors ever learn?Reverand, your comments on the
> above team and what chances would you give.
> Also to all Chauhan bashers you will soon realise his worth to the side when
>  India stop winning test matches at home after he is no longer in the
>  side.No longer will you have a bowler who has the knack of breaking up
>  stubborn partnerships,picking up crucial wickets etc.Can any of you
> name even one test match which India has lost when Chauhan was present in the
> side?
> Shantanu
> [happy that Dighe is back in form who just might be India's answer to
> Kaluwitharna,Gilchrist etc for one-day games]

Sorry to say but Chauhan's days are over. With 45 W in 20 tests he is not
worth in any team. The no-loss record he has is at best a coincidence. So let
it remain as it is so that he can tell his grand children about it. Bhajju
and Chopra are way ahead of this man right now.

I also have my own doubts with Karim, Kuru, Amre making comebacks to a test
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My team for second test against West Indies 'A'

Post by roshan.. » Thu, 03 Dec 1998 04:00:00



Quote:

> > I guess we need to prepare a spinners' paradise for the second test.
> > My team for 2nd test against West Indies 'A" would be:

> > S Ramesh
> > D Gandhi
> > W Jaffer
> > P Amre
> > A khurasia
> > R Gavaskar

>     Just a question, why R Gavaskar is in the team? What has he done to
merrit a
> place in A-team
>     besides being son of S Gavaskar?

>     I've been following his scores in all these national teams and never saw
him
> scored much; unless
>     i missed something....

>    anyway i was just querious to find out if he really deserves a place in
> A-team.

I dont know the exact figures of Rohan, but I can bet my last penny that he
is out their on merit alone. SMG will be the last person to use his clout to
influence his son's inclusion in the team. He has got too much self-respect
and is very well aware that public (like you :-):-) will immediately pounce
upon him even if he has a couple of bad innings. Thats why Rohan moved to
Bengal which clearly shows that he is fighting the battle alone out their.

In fact, he is at a real dis-advantage that he SMG's son, because every
innings he has to prove his inclusion for which ever side he plays. Normal
players like Amol, Sharath can afford a slump or two but not Rohan.

Hope he has got all the cricketing sense which his father was famous for.

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Post by suresh_abra.. » Fri, 04 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> Just a question, why R Gavaskar is in the team? What
> has he done to merrit a
> place in A-team besides being son of S Gavaskar?

> I've been following his scores in all these national
> teams and never saw him
> scored much; unless i missed something....

Oh, you missed a great deal, obviously!  Rohan has been
doing very well for Bengal over the last 3 seasons, and
seems to be improving very quickly.  He avged over 50
last year, and this year he is doing even better!  And
he scores those runs in a spectacular fashion.
Like Gandhi, Rohan too has the full arsenal of strokes.
He likes to hit a lot of late strokes (cuts and glances)
reminding us more of his uncle than his father! (-;
He bats and fields very aggressively.  A good bowler too.
If he continues to develop, he will be a very useful
ODI player.

He *earned* his place in the India A team; I don't think
anyone who follows domestic cricket will object to his
being included in the A team.  Sunny had nothing to
do with his selection.  Don't forget, he was not able
to crack the Bombay team; pedigree nonwithstanding!

Suresh [Following Bengal keenly in 98-99] Abraham

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Post by sjagad.. » Fri, 04 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:
> I dont know the exact figures of Rohan, but I can bet my last penny that he
> is out their on merit alone. SMG will be the last person to use his clout to
> influence his son's inclusion in the team. He has got too much self-respect
> and is very well aware that public (like you :-):-) will immediately pounce
> upon him even if he has a couple of bad innings. Thats why Rohan moved to
> Bengal which clearly shows that he is fighting the battle alone out their.

u are absolute zero abt gavaskar. he was a lousy team man. he played for his
100s alone. in fact he was the one who made sure chetan chauhan didnt make a
single test 100 and srikkanth made only 2. he deliberately went in at #4 in
the madras test (after having arranged with marshall to get both gaekwad and
great vengsarkar out first ball so that he cud make a double hundred)

he was a pathetic player of pace and thats why he was able to make runs at an
avg of only 70 in wi and 65 overall v/s wi. he was so pathetic that he had to
get his 10000th run off a spinner like ijaz faqih (??)

jagadish

Marshall in 'Marshall arts' on Gavaskar:

"Even if he did have the umpire on his side, I learned     at  Madras the
importance  of  never  under-estimating anyone, to treat all batsmen with
respect - particularly someone of Gavaskar's  innate and  timeless talent.
He is, now that Boycott has faded from the scene, the last of a generation of
batsmen who at Test level  had the  skill,  the  temperament and the
self-discipline to bat all five days of a match if necessary.  One-day
cricket is blamed for the  way  batsmen behave  now,  getting  out  to  all
manner of deliveries because they have been taught quick runs  should  gain
priority  over a long innings.  I mean it as no disrespect to the many fine
batsmen around the world when I say Gavaskar is the end of  a  breed.  His
type of batsmanship requires deep dedication, composure, massive self-control
and a technique born of the text-books.  We may never see his like again."

--
Mediocre XI: S Williams, A Jadeja (c), V Rathour, V Kambli, P Simmons,
M Ealham, C Browne (wk), C Miller, R Chauhan, D Johnson, A Kuruvilla,
B Hogg (12th man)

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Post by Sridha » Fri, 04 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:


> : Sorry to say but Chauhan's days are over. With 45 W in 20 tests he is not

>   Roshan,don't talk crap.Have you watched any of the test matches in which
>  Chauhan has played?
> First of all statistics do not tell the entire story.Whenever Chauhan bowls
> he keeps one end tight,with very few loose deliveries,putting the pressure
> on enabling Kumble or Raju at the other end to take wickets.Moreover
...............

> Bombay test 1994 against West Indies.
> I have watched this match live at ***hede stadium.In the second innings it looked as if
> Murray and Adams might pull off a spectacular victory.Then it was CHAUHAN WHO BROKE their
> partnership by clean bowling Junior Murray with a beauty.

> In the Nagpur test for some reason Azhar only gave him 5 overs in the second innings and
> got dropped at Mohali.
> Anyway my point is in all the Indian victories at home at home Chauhan has played a significant
>  part.It is not coincidence that India never lost whenever he is present.
> Also have you wondered why sometimes  immediately after he gets dropped the very next test India loses.Two
> Shantanu
> [waiting for superb bowling by Kuru in the second test]

is it just a coincidence that india has never won a test which
kuruvilla has played ?
 
 
 

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Post by Desai Shanta » Sat, 05 Dec 1998 04:00:00

:
: Sorry to say but Chauhan's days are over. With 45 W in 20 tests he is not
: worth in any team. The no-loss record he has is at best a coincidence. So let
: it remain as it is so that he can tell his grand children about it. Bhajju
: and Chopra are way ahead of this man right now.
:
: I also have my own doubts with Karim, Kuru, Amre making comebacks to a test
: team
:
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  Roshan,don't talk crap.Have you watched any of the test matches in which
 Chauhan has played?
First of all statistics do not tell the entire story.Whenever Chauhan bowls
he keeps one end tight,with very few loose deliveries,putting the pressure
on enabling Kumble or Raju at the other end to take wickets.Moreover in
the test matches which we won on home wickets he has always taken the
crucial wickets.Let me give you some examples.Moreover he is a vicious turner
of the ball.

Calcutta test 1993 against England.
I have watched almost this whole match live.
Here He took the crucial wicket of Gatting in both the innings who was the only English player who
 had  some measure
of the Indian spin bowling.Then in the end when it looked as if Salisbury would help England
avoid the follow-on he wrapped up the innings  by getting rid of Salisbury with a beauty of
a delivery .

Bombay test 1994 against West Indies.
I have watched this match live at ***hede stadium.In the second innings it looked as if
Murray and Adams might pull off a spectacular victory.Then it was CHAUHAN WHO BROKE their
partnership by clean bowling Junior Murray with a beauty.

In the Nagpur test for some reason Azhar only gave him 5 overs in the second innings and
got dropped at Mohali.
Anyway my point is in all the Indian victories at home at home Chauhan has played a significant
 part.It is not coincidence that India never lost whenever he is present.
Also have you wondered why sometimes  immediately after he gets dropped the very next test India
 loses.Two
glaring examples being: Mohali against West Indies in 1994 and Bangalore against Australia this
year.Before these defeats he was present in the side and we hda no chance of losing.
The reason simply because Kapoor was miles below Chauhan at Mohali.Probabnly Harbhajan may be
 better thanChauhan but you can't draw any conclusions yet.
 Anyway his other good qualities are .he can bat(name any other Indian batsman who has hit a
six in the last over chasing against Pakistan),is quite a good fielder (watch his caught and bowled
against Afridi at Sharjah) and is a complete team man.What more do you want?
  If he was playing for Sri Lanka or something I am sure he would have been much more succesful.
Shantanu
[waiting for superb bowling by Kuru in the second test]

 
 
 

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Post by roshan.. » Sat, 05 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:
>   Roshan,don't talk crap.Have you watched any of the test matches in which
>  Chauhan has played?
> First of all statistics do not tell the entire story.

For a longer period it does present the true story. 20 Matches in this case.

And try to put logic in your head. If tomorrow Prasad gets dropped I wont go
on saying. Do you saw WC96, Sohail was going great guns and he bowled him, DO
you saw how he got Kirsten bowled in K'mead test or Did you see how he
reduced Pak to 30/5 taking 4-12 in a ODI match. Players get dropped because
poor bowling/replaced by better players.

Only an Idiot will pick Chauhan ahead of Bhajju and Chopra. And for all your
rantings about our selectors they are not idiots as you make them out to be.
Chauhan, Kuru, Karim, Amol, Just sit back and think the cases you are
forwarding and dont forget the competitors for those places.

And dont even talk about his batting skills. Apart from that six of a
full-toss he hasn't done anything. With a stiff stance like that he cant hit
a cricket stroke for god sake. In fact his tenure got extended only because
of his SIX rather than his bowling skills.

 [waiting for superb bowling by Kuru in the second test]

Only thing he can do superb in that test is wash Dodda's socks cleanly.

Roshan

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Post by Shridha » Sat, 05 Dec 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
>    I have seen all the 3 matches listed above.Please don't Prasad into the
>discussion now.We have discussed enough about him.

That follow-through catch of Afridi was one of the gutsiest catch i've
ever seen. Chauhan is no great fielder but it required sheer guts in the
heat of the situation(with Afridi in full flow) to take that one-handed
catch off a full ***ed hit going to his left.

Quote:
>     Ha, ha ha.This is what happend if you don't follow cricket properly.
>In the very next one-day after that six he scored a good knock of 32  runs with
>another six
>when all others did badly.He is quite decent batsman when compared to some other
>Indian tailenders.I have watched his batting as early as in 1993.

Chauhan gave the first indication of his batting skills in the Test
matches vs Eng in 1993. I remember the match at Bombay when he hit
2 big sixes. I didn't use to rate Chauhan as a batsman at all before that.

Quote:
>Also, Remember to hit a six in a tight situation requires "mental toughness" and
>it  is not
>that easy to hit a six off a full-toss.
>   Sometimes  mental toughness and grit is more important than pure talent .

True. That six was no joke coming off Saqlain Mushtaq of all spinners in the
most tense of all situations. I remember Robin going and talking to Chauhan
before the over(there was a long talk with Chauhan mostly being asked by Robin
to go for a single and give him the strike). But still Chauhan decided to go
for it. I think Robin Singh and Rajesh Chauhan are two of the gutsiest players
in Indian Cricket showing their true Rajput colours there.

Shridhar[that some idiots think that six was a joke shows how much cricket they
have really played]

 
 
 

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Post by Desai Shanta » Sat, 05 Dec 1998 04:00:00

:
: is it just a coincidence that india has never won a test which
: kuruvilla has played ?

is it a coincidence that india has never won a test or a one-day match
 whenever Dodda "Crap" Ganesh has played?
Shantanu
[shocked that some people on r.s.c. consider Ganesh a better bowler than
 Kuruvilla]

 
 
 

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Post by Shridha » Sat, 05 Dec 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
>Roshan [Shocked at people getting shocked although the shocked make
>statements like Chauhan > Bhajju, or Kuru, Kamal, Iqbal > Prasad, Karim >
>Mongia, Amre > Azza]

Idiot, its all subjective. You may not think that Kuru is good but i and
thousand others may think so. Anyway, u seem to go with stats in all other
cases like trashing England and its players like Atherton but when it comes
to one on one comparison between Kuru and Prasad, u don't seem to acknowledge
that Kuru outperformed Prasad in both forms of the game last year. This sort of
dirty and dumb double standard is not surprising from u. Anyway, how can u say
that Bhaajju > Chauhan? He has hardly played a single Test. So, u are as wrong
as the people u accuse. And people are just rooting for Iqbal and Kamal, noone
is saying they are greater than the already existing; after all, we don't make
stupid assumptions just based on talent that Bhajju > Chauhan. Your Azza btw
crapped in bouncy tracks, Amre made a character century.

Shridhar[shocked that dumb people like Roshan are in the computer industry...God
have mercy on people going to use software worked upon by Roshan]

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Post by roshan.. » Sun, 06 Dec 1998 04:00:00



Quote:

> :
> : is it just a coincidence that india has never won a test which
> : kuruvilla has played ?

> is it a coincidence that india has never won a test or a one-day match
>  whenever Dodda "Crap" Ganesh has played?
> Shantanu
> [shocked that some people on r.s.c. consider Ganesh a better bowler than
>  Kuruvilla]

Okay, since you have applied logic for the first time I'll give to you
Kuru == Ganesh.

Roshan [Shocked at people getting shocked although the shocked make
statements like Chauhan > Bhajju, or Kuru, Kamal, Iqbal > Prasad, Karim >
Mongia, Amre > Azza]

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Post by Reverend Iyenga » Sun, 06 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> Only an Idiot will pick Chauhan ahead of Bhajju and Chopra.

Chopra is at best a decent ODI restrictive bowler. He doesn't have any
great or even decent 3 day match performances.

ravi

 
 
 

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Post by Reverend Iyenga » Sun, 06 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> > Okay, since you have applied logic for the first time I'll give to you
> Kuru == Ganesh.

HUH?

Dodda was so bad, SRT didnt even give him spells worth mentioning....

Dodda has an average of 58 in tests from 4 matches (5 wickets) .....
Kuru has an average of 36 from 10 matches and has 25 wickets .....

Kuru is much more economical than Dodda .....

Ganesh played *1* ODI match and was dropped after that, Kuru played 25
at an economy rate of 4.7 ....

If you still think Kuru == Ganesh, you really need some help dude.

Now dont mention the "Sucker for Stats attack me again" crap. Also dont
say that Dodda is playing for India-A, so he is better than Kuruvilla.

Quote:
> Roshan [Shocked at people getting shocked although the shocked make
> statements like Chauhan > Bhajju, or Kuru, Kamal, Iqbal > Prasad, Karim >

cheers,
ravi {shocked by the lengths some people go to defend themselves}