A Draw......

A Draw......

Post by Larry de Silv » Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:25:23


I confidently predict another tame draw in Melb on this wicket. The Aussies
will not be able to bowl out SA twice.
Bring on a result pitch in Sydney please....................
 
 
 

A Draw......

Post by SA » Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:36:22



Quote:
>I confidently predict another tame draw in Melb on this wicket. The Aussies
> will not be able to bowl out SA twice.
> Bring on a result pitch in Sydney please....................

I am not as confident as you Larry. Depends on how many SA get in the 1st
innings.

I am not asking for any more Christmas or New Years wishes because Santa
screwed me.
I asked for
- Aus to get 250 - screwed by Santa
- Smith to get in and stay in - Screwed by Santa
- Kallis to make a big one - Give Santa time to***me

No more confident predictions or even wishes from me

 
 
 

A Draw......

Post by Larry de Silv » Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:32:49


Quote:



> >I confidently predict another tame draw in Melb on this wicket. The
Aussies
> > will not be able to bowl out SA twice.
> > Bring on a result pitch in Sydney please....................

> I am not as confident as you Larry. Depends on how many SA get in the 1st
> innings.

> I am not asking for any more Christmas or New Years wishes because Santa
> screwed me.
> I asked for
> - Aus to get 250 - screwed by Santa
> - Smith to get in and stay in - Screwed by Santa
> - Kallis to make a big one - Give Santa time to***me

> No more confident predictions or even wishes from me

I can see where you are coming from dude!!

I went to the game yesterday and watched most of it on TV today. I thought
that the SA bowlers were actually very unlucky with a couple of dropped
catches and one awful LBW decision that went against them. However to me the
Aussie bowlers did not look penetrative enough on this pitch and the SA bats
have the real confidence now after the first test to KNOW that they can bat
out time against this Aussie attack. The more frustrated the Aussie bowlers
get the more rubbish they will bowl. I just CANNOT see them take 20 SA
wickets on this pitch. However, I see a very slight chance of SA snatching a
first innings lead and putting pressure on the Aussie bats on the last day.
But I still predict a draw dude. My confidence in SA's fielding is zilch!!
Catches win matches!!

Laz

 
 
 

A Draw......

Post by SA » Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:45:11



Quote:





>> >I confidently predict another tame draw in Melb on this wicket. The
> Aussies
>> > will not be able to bowl out SA twice.
>> > Bring on a result pitch in Sydney please....................

>> I am not as confident as you Larry. Depends on how many SA get in the 1st
>> innings.

>> I am not asking for any more Christmas or New Years wishes because Santa
>> screwed me.
>> I asked for
>> - Aus to get 250 - screwed by Santa
>> - Smith to get in and stay in - Screwed by Santa
>> - Kallis to make a big one - Give Santa time to***me

>> No more confident predictions or even wishes from me

> I can see where you are coming from dude!!

> I went to the game yesterday and watched most of it on TV today. I thought
> that the SA bowlers were actually very unlucky with a couple of dropped
> catches and one awful LBW decision that went against them. However to me
> the
> Aussie bowlers did not look penetrative enough on this pitch and the SA
> bats
> have the real confidence now after the first test to KNOW that they can
> bat
> out time against this Aussie attack. The more frustrated the Aussie
> bowlers
> get the more rubbish they will bowl. I just CANNOT see them take 20 SA
> wickets on this pitch. However, I see a very slight chance of SA snatching
> a
> first innings lead and putting pressure on the Aussie bats on the last
> day.
> But I still predict a draw dude. My confidence in SA's fielding is zilch!!
> Catches win matches!!

> Laz

Yes and Kallis is normally reliable in the slips
But the sad fact remains. We dropped both centurions before either had a lot
of runs
If it goes against SA or even if we draw we will always look back at those
with regret
 
 
 

A Draw......

Post by Ben Gusse » Thu, 29 Dec 2005 01:44:56



Quote:

> I can see where you are coming from dude!!

> I went to the game yesterday and watched most of it on TV today. I thought
> that the SA bowlers were actually very unlucky with a couple of dropped
> catches and one awful LBW decision that went against them. However to me
> the
> Aussie bowlers did not look penetrative enough on this pitch and the SA
> bats
> have the real confidence now after the first test to KNOW that they can
> bat
> out time against this Aussie attack. The more frustrated the Aussie
> bowlers
> get the more rubbish they will bowl. I just CANNOT see them take 20 SA
> wickets on this pitch. However, I see a very slight chance of SA snatching
> a
> first innings lead and putting pressure on the Aussie bats on the last
> day.
> But I still predict a draw dude. My confidence in SA's fielding is zilch!!
> Catches win matches!!

> Laz

I think it really depends how the pitch shapes up. As strange as it sounds,
I could see Symonds being the key dismorning. His bowling was superb -- kind
of makes you wonder how he would've done on a moving English wicket (and how
we would've faired with Hussey in the middle order). If Australia can't get
early wickets, it could be a long day with Kallis at the crease.

Regards,
Ben.

 
 
 

A Draw......

Post by RodP » Thu, 29 Dec 2005 05:16:22


01.iinet.net.au>,
Larry de Silva says...

Quote:
> I confidently predict another tame draw in Melb on this wicket. The Aussies
> will not be able to bowl out SA twice.
> Bring on a result pitch in Sydney please....................

There's already some variable bounce in the pitch, provided Australia
don't have a batsmen 99 runs away from a double ton I think there will
be a very interesting last day.

--
Cheers,
Rod.

 
 
 

A Draw......

Post by max. » Thu, 29 Dec 2005 06:56:07

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:32:49 +1100, "Larry de Silva"

Quote:





>> >I confidently predict another tame draw in Melb on this wicket. The
>Aussies
>> > will not be able to bowl out SA twice.
>> > Bring on a result pitch in Sydney please....................

>> I am not as confident as you Larry. Depends on how many SA get in the 1st
>> innings.

>> I am not asking for any more Christmas or New Years wishes because Santa
>> screwed me.
>> I asked for
>> - Aus to get 250 - screwed by Santa
>> - Smith to get in and stay in - Screwed by Santa
>> - Kallis to make a big one - Give Santa time to***me

>> No more confident predictions or even wishes from me

>I can see where you are coming from dude!!

>I went to the game yesterday and watched most of it on TV today. I thought
>that the SA bowlers were actually very unlucky with a couple of dropped
>catches and one awful LBW decision that went against them. However to me the
>Aussie bowlers did not look penetrative enough on this pitch and the SA bats
>have the real confidence now after the first test to KNOW that they can bat
>out time against this Aussie attack. The more frustrated the Aussie bowlers
>get the more rubbish they will bowl. I just CANNOT see them take 20 SA
>wickets on this pitch. However, I see a very slight chance of SA snatching a
>first innings lead and putting pressure on the Aussie bats on the last day.
>But I still predict a draw dude. My confidence in SA's fielding is zilch!!
>Catches win matches!!

>Laz

A couple down with humble figures.
Kallis is batting for a draw already.

max.it

 
 
 

A Draw......

Post by R. Bharat Ra » Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:54:02


Quote:



>>I confidently predict another tame draw in Melb on this wicket. The
>>Aussies
>> will not be able to bowl out SA twice.
>> Bring on a result pitch in Sydney please....................

I dunno -- RSA have a shot at forcing a win, if they take a 100+ run lead...

Bharat

 
 
 

A Draw......

Post by Andrew Dunfor » Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:07:51


Quote:

> 01.iinet.net.au>,
> Larry de Silva says...

> > I confidently predict another tame draw in Melb on this wicket. The
Aussies
> > will not be able to bowl out SA twice.
> > Bring on a result pitch in Sydney please....................

> There's already some variable bounce in the pitch, provided Australia
> don't have a batsmen 99 runs away from a double ton I think there will
> be a very interesting last day.

A Symonds will start his innings 200 runs away from a double-ton, if that
helps.

Andrew

 
 
 

A Draw......

Post by Andrew Dunfor » Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:09:56



Quote:





> >>I confidently predict another tame draw in Melb on this wicket. The
> >>Aussies
> >> will not be able to bowl out SA twice.
> >> Bring on a result pitch in Sydney please....................

> I dunno -- RSA have a shot at forcing a win, if they take a 100+ run

lead...

No Test is ever a certain draw after two days unless play has not yet
started, and even the latter doesn't hold when the opposition is Bangladesh.

Andrew

 
 
 

A Draw......

Post by Mike Holman » Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:24:30

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:09:56 +1300, "Andrew Dunford"

Quote:







>> >>I confidently predict another tame draw in Melb on this wicket. The
>> >>Aussies
>> >> will not be able to bowl out SA twice.
>> >> Bring on a result pitch in Sydney please....................

>> I dunno -- RSA have a shot at forcing a win, if they take a 100+ run
>lead...

>No Test is ever a certain draw after two days unless play has not yet
>started, and even the latter doesn't hold when the opposition is Bangladesh.

How high would you rate Zimbabwe's chances of saving a game if the
first four days were rained off?

Cheers,

Mike

 
 
 

A Draw......

Post by Andrew Dunfor » Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:08:14


Quote:
> On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:09:56 +1300, "Andrew Dunford"







> >> >>I confidently predict another tame draw in Melb on this wicket. The
> >> >>Aussies
> >> >> will not be able to bowl out SA twice.
> >> >> Bring on a result pitch in Sydney please....................

> >> I dunno -- RSA have a shot at forcing a win, if they take a 100+ run
> >lead...

> >No Test is ever a certain draw after two days unless play has not yet
> >started, and even the latter doesn't hold when the opposition is
Bangladesh.

> How high would you rate Zimbabwe's chances of saving a game if the
> first four days were rained off?

Based on the team I saw three months ago against NZ (some of whom have since
retired and the rest are probably on strike), there is certainly a chance
they could be beaten in a single day.  Much may depend on what time the sun
set at the match venue.

Wading through the Playing Conditions, it would appear that the playing time
available would be five hours and 30 minutes plus a final hour in which a
minimum of 15 overs must be bowled.  Simplifying this by assuming that
neither team delivers its overs at an average higher than 15 per hour,
that's 98 overs.  Once allowance for the various changes of innings is
considered, we're probably back to about 90 overs.

By Law 13, the follow-on mark in such a match is 75 runs.

Strategy A: Zimbabwe bats first (example: SA v Zim at Cape Town 2004/05)

In the example match Zimbabwe scored 54 in 31.2 overs.  For the single-day
result to be possible the opposition must bat for the minimum time possible
in its first innings.  If Zimbabwe's first dig ended shortly before the
scheduled lunch break, the opposition might consider forfeiting an innings
and putting Zimbabwe straight back in again, or alternatively batting for
five to ten overs in order to establish a small lead.  Obviously a forfeit
isn't viable in the case where Zimbabwe scores at least 75, but otherwise
has the additional advantage of minimising the time lost to between-innings
breaks (or at least I assume it does - perhaps a forfeit results in a
20-minute break between real innings but I couldn't be arsed interpreting
the Law on this one).

Assuming the forfeit, Zimbabwe would need to be dismissed a second time
within about 35 overs.

Strategy B: opposition bats first (example: Zim v NZ at Harare 2005/06)

In the example match Zimbabwe scored 59 (29.4 overs) and 99 (49.5 overs).
The opposition might look to score 200 in 30 overs, declare and hope to bowl
out Zimbabwe twice within 60 overs, the first time for fewer than 125 runs
in order to enforce the follow-on. Unlikely, but not impossible.  Strategy A
looks a better option as it allows the opposition to bat for the minimum
time possible.

A result in a single day looks a difficult task, but not impossible.

Andrew

 
 
 

A Draw......

Post by India Fa » Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:55:04

Quote:







> > >>I confidently predict another tame draw in Melb on this wicket. The
> > >>Aussies
> > >> will not be able to bowl out SA twice.
> > >> Bring on a result pitch in Sydney please....................

> > I dunno -- RSA have a shot at forcing a win, if they take a 100+ run
> lead...

> No Test is ever a certain draw after two days unless play has not yet
> started,

or the match is fixed.

- Show quoted text -

Quote:
> and even the latter doesn't hold when the opposition is Bangladesh.

> Andrew

 
 
 

A Draw......

Post by vignes1.. » Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:59:33

Wish to put 1 year (okay 1 month!) income of yours on this?

Vicky:
[Tomorrow is the day]

 
 
 

A Draw......

Post by Larry de Silv » Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:45:02


Quote:
> Wish to put 1 year (okay 1 month!) income of yours on this?

> Vicky:
> [Tomorrow is the day]

Don't want to bet but still confident of this test being a draw.

Laz