concerning Warne,Kumble,Qadir,Chandra..

concerning Warne,Kumble,Qadir,Chandra..

Post by Ambrish Sundara » Wed, 08 Nov 1995 04:00:00


Sadiq, I couldn't agree with you any more. But I don't think Ganesh was in any
way trying to denigrate the current crop of spinners, Warne in particular. In
an age when brute pace and sheer speed seemed to be taking over cricket, Warne
has given a fresh lease of life to the art of spin bowling. It can be safely
said that Warne can be considered to be the best spinner of the ball today. The
essence of Ganesh's posting, as I understood it, was, that we should make a
comparative study of Warne, Kumble etc. with the spinners of yesteryears, based
not just not statistics, but also on the conditions that the bowlers faced/ do
face during their playing times. Warne is definitely a star, but the conditions
under which he bowls today, are different from those the Indian spin quartet
faced.  

When discussing the exploits of the Indian spin quartet, we should take into
consideration another very important factor, the Indian batting line-up during
the days the quartet played. It is no secret that the Indian batting lineup was
very brittle and good team scores depended on the scores of Gavaskar and
Viswanath, during the 70's, especially. Given this scenario, when the bowlers
frequently had to defend modest totals, the spinners had a tough job on their
hands. This, coupled with the fact that there was little support in the form of
pace, should make their accomplishments praiseworthy. Comparing this scenario
with that of Warne, we see that the Aussie batting lineup is the best in the
world today, no doubt about that. When Warne bowls today, he has the support of
the best batting linep in contemporary cricket. This gives him more leeway to
experiment and try new things, without being bogged down by the thought of his
team's total. Also, the Australian pace bowlers are amongst the best practioners
of the art of fast bowling today, and Warne bowls in tandem with these bowlers.
This takes nothing away from the exploits of Warne. He is in a class of his own,
and there no two thoughts on that. IMHO, contemporary spinners like Kumble (is
he really a spinner or a medium pacer ? :-)), Raju and company, cannot hold a
candle to Warne.

Another factor which is generally not discussed in this context, is the quality
of fielders. The general standards of fitness today are way above the average
standards of yesteryears. True, India had Solkar, Venkat, Abid, and Engineer,
truly great fielders, but the general fitness those days could be considered to
be below today's standards. The onslaught of the shorter version of the game has
increased the fitness standards amongst players today (though unfortunately,
India seems to be lagging behind in this aspect). The Indian spin trio of Bedi,
Prasanna, and Chandra were themselves poor fielders. The generally lower levels
of fitness could probably be another reason for the higher number of runs being
given away by the bowlers of yesteryears. The Australians are a fit and fighting
lot, Taylor, the Waughs, Slater, Mcdermott, and the rest, and Warne gets
excellent support both close to the wicket and in the outfield. I emphasize,
this is not to show Warne in poorer light, no. He is truly the best exponent of
spin bowling today. What I am asking is that performances be seen in the true
perspective, and not with jaundiced eyes.

As Sadiq has rightly said, we need to take a middle path in this matter, an
unbiased approach, and we will realize that each of the bowlers is great in his
own way.

Regards

Ambrish [seconding Sadiq's request for an unbiased approach - plagiarising
         Sadiq's style at the same time] Sundaram

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concerning Warne,Kumble,Qadir,Chandra..

Post by P.Ganesh Murth » Thu, 09 Nov 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

>said that Warne can be considered to be the best spinner of the ball today. The
>essence of Ganesh's posting, as I understood it, was, that we should make a
>comparative study of Warne, Kumble etc. with the spinners of yesteryears, based
>not just not statistics, but also on the conditions that the bowlers faced/ do
>face during their playing times.

Ambrish , I must thank  your post since it clarifies my stand with
respect to the others . I do not know if it is possible yet to compare
greats of different eras , more particularly using only a selective
set of figures . Indeed , all i sought to point out was that we were
leaving a great many factors . Finally ,i have never bothered to answer
whether Warne was better than chandra , or qadir than warne or , have
what you will .

Thanks again.

ganesh.

--
P.Ganesh Murthy
CS dept .,Purdue university.