Captaincy and Misbah-ul-Haq

Captaincy and Misbah-ul-Haq

Post by R Bharat Ra » Sat, 24 Dec 2011 22:42:08


I vaguely knew that Pakistan had been doing well since the spot-fixing
scandal broke, but just checked their record under Misbah-ul-Haq.  It
bears some reading...

12 Tests: 6 WON, 5 draws, 1 loss
6 Series: 4 WON, 2 drawn, NO losses

with 1 Ton, and TEN 50's...

as non-skipper.

And this is not against bottom-feeders.
0-0 vs. South Africa (2T)
1-0 in New Zealand (2T)
1-1 in West Indies (2T)
1-0 in Zimbabwe (1T)
1-0 vs. Sri Lanka (3T)
2-0 in Bangladesh (2T)

Some men are just born to lead, I guess.  Its a pity that Pakistan
came to this realization so late, when Misbah was already 36 (now 37
going on 38), and we may have been spared the embarrassing gyrations
from the reluctant Younis Khan, to the recalcitrant Afridi, the inept
Malik, and the crooked Butt....  Yes, we would have lost out on much
of the drama, but a young Aamir may have been bowling as well...

Rather than fret over what might have been, I am at least grateful
that Misbah is being given this opportunity at all, and look forward
to him continuing to drink from whatever fountain of youth for the
next couple of years.

England better watch out -- Pakistan may not be the pushover you would
expect on paper in January...

Bharat

 
 
 

Captaincy and Misbah-ul-Haq

Post by arahi » Sun, 25 Dec 2011 02:03:53


Quote:
> I vaguely knew that Pakistan had been doing well since the spot-fixing
> scandal broke, but just checked their record under Misbah-ul-Haq. ?It
> bears some reading...

> 12 Tests: 6 WON, 5 draws, 1 loss
> 6 Series: 4 WON, 2 drawn, NO losses

> with 1 Ton, and TEN 50's...

> as non-skipper.

> And this is not against bottom-feeders.
> 0-0 vs. South Africa (2T)
> 1-0 in New Zealand (2T)
> 1-1 in West Indies (2T)
> 1-0 in Zimbabwe (1T)
> 1-0 vs. Sri Lanka (3T)
> 2-0 in Bangladesh (2T)

> Some men are just born to lead, I guess. ?Its a pity that Pakistan
> came to this realization so late, when Misbah was already 36 (now 37
> going on 38), and we may have been spared the embarrassing gyrations
> from the reluctant Younis Khan, to the recalcitrant Afridi, the inept
> Malik, and the crooked Butt.... ?Yes, we would have lost out on much
> of the drama, but a young Aamir may have been bowling as well...

> Rather than fret over what might have been, I am at least grateful
> that Misbah is being given this opportunity at all, and look forward
> to him continuing to drink from whatever fountain of youth for the
> next couple of years.

> England better watch out -- Pakistan may not be the pushover you would
> expect on paper in January...

Finally they get their shot at the number one team. If he can lead
Pakistan to out maneuver England (The only Test team that Pakistan has
lost their last series to except India but the last series there was
2007/2008) he can be deemed Kardar 2.0.

The 1-1 result against this WI team is the obvious blemish. There were
opportunities lost in NZ and against SL where they probably should
have one a game more in each case but couldn't quite finish the job.
The opportunities against England will be fewer if any and England
have produced more than a few Dunkirks with their backs to the wall.
The wickets should relatively favour Pakistan (Compared to the wickets
in England) if they are similar to what they were this year but
England does have the best spinner (Pakistan will have the numbers
advantage) and the better batting lineup.

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> Bharat


 
 
 

Captaincy and Misbah-ul-Haq

Post by sdavmo » Sun, 25 Dec 2011 04:12:33


Quote:
> I vaguely knew that Pakistan had been doing well since the
> spot-fixing scandal broke, but just checked their record under
> Misbah-ul-Haq. It bears some reading...

> 12 Tests: 6 WON, 5 draws, 1 loss
> 6 Series: 4 WON, 2 drawn, NO losses

> with 1 Ton, and TEN 50's...

> as non-skipper.

> And this is not against bottom-feeders.
> 0-0 vs. South Africa (2T)
> 1-0 in New Zealand (2T)
> 1-1 in West Indies (2T)
> 1-0 in Zimbabwe (1T)
> 1-0 vs. Sri Lanka (3T)
> 2-0 in Bangladesh (2T)

> Some men are just born to lead, I guess.  Its a pity that Pakistan
> came to this realization so late, when Misbah was already 36 (now
> 37 going on 38), and we may have been spared the embarrassing
> gyrations from the reluctant Younis Khan, to the recalcitrant
> Afridi, the inept Malik, and the crooked Butt....  Yes, we would
> have lost out on much of the drama, but a young Aamir may have been
> bowling as well...

> Rather than fret over what might have been, I am at least grateful
> that Misbah is being given this opportunity at all, and look
> forward to him continuing to drink from whatever fountain of youth
> for the next couple of years.

> England better watch out -- Pakistan may not be the pushover you
> would expect on paper in January...

> Bharat

Giving Misbah the captaincy was the best decision the PCB has made in
years. Everything about the man seems solid and organized. I think he
forces everyone around him in his squad to take a more disciplined
approach to their game. As an outsider (England fan) I wondered why it
had taken the PCB so long to see that he was the right guy for the
job. No question that Pakistan have been a better team since he took
command, and Misbah has been a rock in the batting middle-order.
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Captaincy and Misbah-ul-Haq

Post by sdavmo » Sun, 25 Dec 2011 04:42:34


Quote:

>> I vaguely knew that Pakistan had been doing well since the spot-fixing
>> scandal broke, but just checked their record under Misbah-ul-Haq.  It
>> bears some reading...

>> 12 Tests: 6 WON, 5 draws, 1 loss
>> 6 Series: 4 WON, 2 drawn, NO losses

>> with 1 Ton, and TEN 50's...

>> as non-skipper.

>> And this is not against bottom-feeders.
>> 0-0 vs. South Africa (2T)
>> 1-0 in New Zealand (2T)
>> 1-1 in West Indies (2T)
>> 1-0 in Zimbabwe (1T)
>> 1-0 vs. Sri Lanka (3T)
>> 2-0 in Bangladesh (2T)

>> Some men are just born to lead, I guess.  Its a pity that
>> Pakistan came to this realization so late, when Misbah was
>> already 36 (now 37 going on 38), and we may have been spared the
>> embarrassing gyrations from the reluctant Younis Khan, to the
>> recalcitrant Afridi, the inept Malik, and the crooked Butt....
>> Yes, we would have lost out on much of the drama, but a young
>> Aamir may have been bowling as well...

>> Rather than fret over what might have been, I am at least
>> grateful that Misbah is being given this opportunity at all, and
>> look forward to him continuing to drink from whatever fountain of
>> youth for the next couple of years.

>> England better watch out -- Pakistan may not be the pushover you
>> would expect on paper in January...

> Finally they get their shot at the number one team. If he can lead
> Pakistan to out maneuver England (The only Test team that Pakistan
> has lost their last series to except India but the last series
> there was 2007/2008) he can be deemed Kardar 2.0.

> The 1-1 result against this WI team is the obvious blemish. There
> were opportunities lost in NZ and against SL where they probably
> should have one a game more in each case but couldn't quite finish
> the job. The opportunities against England will be fewer if any and
> England have produced more than a few Dunkirks with their backs to
> the wall. The wickets should relatively favour Pakistan (Compared
> to the wickets in England) if they are similar to what they were
> this year but England does have the best spinner (Pakistan will
> have the numbers advantage) and the better batting lineup.

(nods) Good point about the Dunkirk rearguards. IIRC England produced
4 of them in critical situations during the rise to #1 under Andy &
Andy. Which changed how series' went, and consequently the test
rankings. The ability to dig in and resist long enough to convert a
loss into a draw is huge, and says a lot about team culture,
discipline, and sheer ***y-minded determination (grit). And of
course the Fletcher-mandated requirement that bowlers learn to bat
well-enough to have good defensive technique. This England bats very
deep. So deep that it almost doesn't have a tail in the traditional
sense, and certainly doesn't have any obvious rabbits. That depth has
changed losing positions into draws at the end, and also setup wins
when the other guys were looking threatening with counter-attacks
(think back to India in T1 and T2 this past summer).

England vs Pakistan should be a very interesting series between two
teams that have bagfuls of grit in their current squads. Pakistan
under Misbah are clearly a team on the rise, and England are looking
to cement the grip on the #1 spot. Could be a proper donnybrook! IMO
the only thing that could spoil things is if the pitches don't offer
enough to the bowlers and batsmen rule (ho hum).
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Captaincy and Misbah-ul-Haq

Post by CaraMi » Sun, 25 Dec 2011 05:03:06


Quote:
> Giving Misbah the captaincy was the best decision the PCB has made in
> years. Everything about the man seems solid and organized. I think he
> forces everyone around him in his squad to take a more disciplined
> approach to their game. As an outsider (England fan) I wondered why it
> had taken the PCB so long to see that he was the right guy for the
> job.

How did it take long? This guy has played a total of 31 test matches.
He has captained 12 of them. The first match he captained was his 20th
test match. I am sure most captains play more matches before they are
pushed into captaincy. Also, at that time his average was around 33 - so
he wasn't even of a place in the team.
Quote:
> No question that Pakistan have been a better team since he took
> command, and Misbah has been a rock in the batting middle-order.

 
 
 

Captaincy and Misbah-ul-Haq

Post by R Bharat Ra » Sun, 25 Dec 2011 05:22:27


Quote:

> Giving Misbah the captaincy was the best decision the PCB has made in
> years.

I'd say "Not extending Ijaz ***at Chairman" is #1 by a wide margin.
But Misbah as captain is a solid #2.

Quote:
> Everything about the man seems solid and organized. I think he
> forces everyone around him in his squad to take a more disciplined
> approach to their game.

The man has a degree in business management, I believe.  And while its
may be hard to judge someone when you see them on TV, but he seems a
decent human being to boot, just from the way he carries himself, and
the aura of calm that he projects...

Bharat

 
 
 

Captaincy and Misbah-ul-Haq

Post by sdavmo » Sun, 25 Dec 2011 06:15:51


Quote:


>> Giving Misbah the captaincy was the best decision the PCB has made in
>> years.

> I'd say "Not extending Ijaz ***at Chairman" is #1 by a wide margin.
> But Misbah as captain is a solid #2.

Fair comment. 2nd best move overall, and the best on-field move.

Quote:
>> Everything about the man seems solid and organized. I think he
>> forces everyone around him in his squad to take a more disciplined
>> approach to their game.

> The man has a degree in business management, I believe.  And while its
> may be hard to judge someone when you see them on TV, but he seems a
> decent human being to boot, just from the way he carries himself, and
> the aura of calm that he projects...

Yup. That's the impression I got of him.
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Captaincy and Misbah-ul-Haq

Post by sdavmo » Sun, 25 Dec 2011 06:21:34


Quote:

>> Giving Misbah the captaincy was the best decision the PCB has made in
>> years. Everything about the man seems solid and organized. I think he
>> forces everyone around him in his squad to take a more disciplined
>> approach to their game. As an outsider (England fan) I wondered why it
>> had taken the PCB so long to see that he was the right guy for the
>> job.

> How did it take long? This guy has played a total of 31 test matches.
> He has captained 12 of them. The first match he captained was his 20th
> test match. I am sure most captains play more matches before they are
> pushed into captaincy. Also, at that time his average was around 33 -
> so he wasn't even of a place in the team.

>> No question that Pakistan have been a better team since he took
>> command, and Misbah has been a rock in the batting middle-order.

Since you put it like that I suppose it didn't take that long. But
from what I could see of him, and how unstable Pakistan was as a unit
between Inzy's retirement and Misbah becoming captain, he seemed a
much better choice than the guys the PCB tried and failed with. YMMV.
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Captaincy and Misbah-ul-Haq

Post by John Hal » Sun, 25 Dec 2011 06:52:54


Quote:



>>> Giving Misbah the captaincy was the best decision the PCB has made in
>>> years. Everything about the man seems solid and organized. I think he
>>> forces everyone around him in his squad to take a more disciplined
>>> approach to their game. As an outsider (England fan) I wondered why it
>>> had taken the PCB so long to see that he was the right guy for the
>>> job.

>> How did it take long? This guy has played a total of 31 test matches.
>> He has captained 12 of them. The first match he captained was his 20th
>> test match. I am sure most captains play more matches before they are
>> pushed into captaincy. Also, at that time his average was around 33 -
>> so he wasn't even of a place in the team.

>>> No question that Pakistan have been a better team since he took
>>> command, and Misbah has been a rock in the batting middle-order.

>Since you put it like that I suppose it didn't take that long. But
>from what I could see of him, and how unstable Pakistan was as a unit
>between Inzy's retirement and Misbah becoming captain, he seemed a
>much better choice than the guys the PCB tried and failed with. YMMV.

That may seem clear now, but in at least one case it wasn't always so
obvious. Before news of the spot-fixing scandal broke, I had been quite
impressed by Salman Butt. I suppose it shows how easy it is to be
deceived.
--
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             "The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism
              by those who have not got it."
                                              George Bernard Shaw
 
 
 

Captaincy and Misbah-ul-Haq

Post by sdavmo » Sun, 25 Dec 2011 08:04:19


Quote:




>>>> Giving Misbah the captaincy was the best decision the PCB has
>>>> made in years. Everything about the man seems solid and
>>>> organized. I think he forces everyone around him in his squad
>>>> to take a more disciplined approach to their game. As an
>>>> outsider (England fan) I wondered why it had taken the PCB so
>>>> long to see that he was the right guy for the job.

>>> How did it take long? This guy has played a total of 31 test
>>> matches. He has captained 12 of them. The first match he
>>> captained was his 20th test match. I am sure most captains play
>>> more matches before they are pushed into captaincy. Also, at
>>> that time his average was around 33 - so he wasn't even of a
>>> place in the team.

>>>> No question that Pakistan have been a better team since he
>>>> took command, and Misbah has been a rock in the batting
>>>> middle-order.

>> Since you put it like that I suppose it didn't take that long.
>> But from what I could see of him, and how unstable Pakistan was
>> as a unit between Inzy's retirement and Misbah becoming captain,
>> he seemed a much better choice than the guys the PCB tried and
>> failed with. YMMV.

> That may seem clear now, but in at least one case it wasn't always
> so obvious. Before news of the spot-fixing scandal broke, I had
> been quite impressed by Salman Butt. I suppose it shows how easy it
> is to be deceived.

Good point. Salman ***seemed like quite a good candidate on the
surface. Handsome is as handsome does, as my Nana used to say.
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Captaincy and Misbah-ul-Haq

Post by Andrew Dunfor » Sun, 25 Dec 2011 10:23:08



Quote:
> I vaguely knew that Pakistan had been doing well since the spot-fixing
> scandal broke, but just checked their record under Misbah-ul-Haq.  It
> bears some reading...

> 12 Tests: 6 WON, 5 draws, 1 loss
> 6 Series: 4 WON, 2 drawn, NO losses

> with 1 Ton, and TEN 50's...

> as non-skipper.

> And this is not against bottom-feeders.
> 0-0 vs. South Africa (2T)
> 1-0 in New Zealand (2T)
> 1-1 in West Indies (2T)
> 1-0 in Zimbabwe (1T)
> 1-0 vs. Sri Lanka (3T)
> 2-0 in Bangladesh (2T)

Good article, and Misbah's personal performances are a revelation.  However
I am a bit surprised by you writing "not against bottom-feeders" above a
list that contains pre***ly bottom-feeders.

<snip>

Andrew