Best medium-to-fast bowling action?

Best medium-to-fast bowling action?

Post by Ivan Skiva » Wed, 28 Dec 2005 05:31:35


I thought Gary Sobers had a glorious bowling action. Freddie Trueman is
often cited for having a flawless action. Who had - or has - the best
action?

Ivan

 
 
 

Best medium-to-fast bowling action?

Post by alve » Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:31:32


Quote:
> I thought Gary Sobers had a glorious bowling action. Freddie Trueman is
> often cited for having a flawless action. Who had - or has - the best
> action?

It's difficult-to-impossible to say as you need to define "flawless".
Before we discovered stress fractures bowlers were taught the 'side on'
action but now the approved action is fundamentally different. It now
features much less leaping and being more chest on so as to avoid twisting
the spine. The latter is, imo, much less attractive to view but that's of
zero significance to anyone who wants to avoid pain and being unable to
play.

Of the old model my personal rankings would be;

Larwood
DKL V.2 - V.1 looked great from side on but had a *** last couple of
steps where he hopped from side to side. Like Nel does.)
Hadlee - Although he featured the New Model 'no leap' technique everything
else was classic Old Model)
Bond V.1 - His V.2 has been remodelled to reduce stress, but looks to me
that it'd actually increase his chances of back strain as he bends
considerably to his left after release now. Makes me wince.

Special category Old Model:

Thommo - Perfectly side-on through delivery.

New Model:

McGrath - It just doesn't get any simpler. His straight front leg and 90
degree use of the wrist in delivery are the keys to his success.
Simon Jones  

alvey

 
 
 

Best medium-to-fast bowling action?

Post by Mad Hamis » Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:08:04



Quote:
>I thought Gary Sobers had a glorious bowling action. Freddie Trueman is
>often cited for having a flawless action. Who had - or has - the best
>action?

Larwood and Lindwall are up there.

More recently depending on the style you prefer Garner and Ambrose
just looked amazing.
Marshall, Holding, Lillee, Donald, Hadlee
--
"Hope is replaced by fear and dreams by survival, most of us get by."
Stuart Adamson 1958-2001

Mad Hamish
Hamish Laws


 
 
 

Best medium-to-fast bowling action?

Post by R. Bharat Ra » Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:11:22


Quote:
>I thought Gary Sobers had a glorious bowling action. Freddie Trueman is
> often cited for having a flawless action. Who had - or has - the best
> action?

Didn't see either of them bow.

Of those, I've watched...

Michael Holding
Lillee pre-injury (though mostly on film)./*

Nobody else really stands out, though the young Kapil Dev also looked
very good running in to bowl on his debut tour.

From the spinners, nothing to beat Bishen Singh Bedi.

Bharat

 
 
 

Best medium-to-fast bowling action?

Post by Ivan Skiva » Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:23:06

I don't understand the stress fractures vs side-on action issue.
Trueman, Larwood, Thommo, and many others didn't have stress fractures.
Is it not solely a side-on issue, but rather a side-on action combined
with leaping and twisting that puts the bowler at risk? If so, why not
curtail the leaping? Is it only some bowlers who are at risk by virtue
of their action alone or is it the action coupled with PPP (piss-poor
protoplasm)? By the way, Alvey, what did you think of Sobers' action?

Ivan

 
 
 

Best medium-to-fast bowling action?

Post by Madhusudan Sing » Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:11:09

Quote:



>>I thought Gary Sobers had a glorious bowling action. Freddie Trueman is
>> often cited for having a flawless action. Who had - or has - the best
>> action?

> Didn't see either of them bow.

> Of those, I've watched...

> Michael Holding
> Lillee pre-injury (though mostly on film)./*

> Nobody else really stands out, though the young Kapil Dev also looked
> very good running in to bowl on his debut tour.

> From the spinners, nothing to beat Bishen Singh Bedi.

I would think that John Emburey would give him a close run, if not best him.
Admittedly I watched very little of Bedi (on replays).
 
 
 

Best medium-to-fast bowling action?

Post by alve » Wed, 28 Dec 2005 14:39:59


Quote:
> I don't understand the stress fractures vs side-on action issue.
> Trueman, Larwood, Thommo, and many others didn't have stress fractures.

But many also have.

Quote:
> Is it not solely a side-on issue, but rather a side-on action combined
> with leaping and twisting that puts the bowler at risk?

Yes. (And the twisting is the result of being side-on so mentioning it is
redundant)

Quote:
> If so, why not curtail the leaping?

It's not the leaping that causes problems. It's the landing...boom boom.
Sorry. Won't happen again.

Many leap because it's the easiest way to get side-on.

Quote:
> Is it only some bowlers who are at risk by virtue
> of their action alone or is it the action coupled with PPP (piss-poor
> protoplasm)?

The latter. ref. Trueman, Larwood et al

Quote:
> By the way, Alvey, what did you think of Sobers' action?

"Springy". I didn't see enough of him to make a considered judgement, and
that which I did see was when he was (quick dash to CI....) in his mid
30's, but I do recall that he had a lovely, loose & athletic run-up and
where he appeared to be running in on something bouncy.

alvey

 
 
 

Best medium-to-fast bowling action?

Post by alve » Wed, 28 Dec 2005 14:41:34

snip

Quote:

>> From the spinners, nothing to beat Bishen Singh Bedi.

> I would think that John Emburey would give him a close run, if not best him.
> Admittedly I watched very little of Bedi (on replays).

It shows.

alvey

 
 
 

Best medium-to-fast bowling action?

Post by Totaltull » Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:52:35

Quote:

> I don't understand the stress fractures vs side-on action issue.
> Trueman, Larwood, Thommo, and many others didn't have stress fractures.
> Is it not solely a side-on issue, but rather a side-on action combined
> with leaping and twisting that puts the bowler at risk? If so, why not
> curtail the leaping? Is it only some bowlers who are at risk by virtue
> of their action alone or is it the action coupled with PPP (piss-poor
> protoplasm)? By the way, Alvey, what did you think of Sobers' action?

> Ivan

Ivan - The amount of cricket playes before the 80s was quite miniscule.
Even SL had not made their appearance on the international scene. ODOs
were unheard of (Sobers played just one ODI). The injuries in those
days would have quite likely been of PPP
 
 
 

Best medium-to-fast bowling action?

Post by Bounty Bo » Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:42:28

Quote:


>>I don't understand the stress fractures vs side-on action issue.
>>Trueman, Larwood, Thommo, and many others didn't have stress fractures.
>>Is it not solely a side-on issue, but rather a side-on action combined
>>with leaping and twisting that puts the bowler at risk? If so, why not
>>curtail the leaping? Is it only some bowlers who are at risk by virtue
>>of their action alone or is it the action coupled with PPP (piss-poor
>>protoplasm)? By the way, Alvey, what did you think of Sobers' action?

>>Ivan
> Ivan - The amount of cricket playes before the 80s was quite miniscule.
> Even SL had not made their appearance on the international scene. ODOs
> were unheard of (Sobers played just one ODI). The injuries in those
> days would have quite likely been of PPP

   Tell that to the Olde County Cricketers.
 
 
 

Best medium-to-fast bowling action?

Post by R. Bharat Ra » Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:19:00


Quote:

>> From the spinners, nothing to beat Bishen Singh Bedi.

> I would think that John Emburey would give him a close run, if not best
> him.
> Admittedly I watched very little of Bedi (on replays).

You have *GOT* to be kidding.

Emburey has a beautiful action???

Workmanlike comes to mind...

Bharat

 
 
 

Best medium-to-fast bowling action?

Post by SA » Thu, 29 Dec 2005 01:46:50

Quote:

>> I thought Gary Sobers had a glorious bowling action. Freddie Trueman is
>> often cited for having a flawless action. Who had - or has - the best
>> action?>>

> It's difficult-to-impossible to say as you need to define "flawless".>
> Before we discovered stress fractures bowlers were taught the 'side on'
> action but now the approved action is fundamentally different. It now
> features much less leaping and being more chest on so as to avoid twisting
> the spine. The latter is, imo, much less attractive to view but that's of
> zero significance to anyone who wants to avoid pain and being unable to
> play.

> Of the old model my personal rankings would be;

> Larwood
> DKL V.2 - V.1 looked great from side on but had a *** last couple of
> steps where he hopped from side to side. Like Nel does.)
> Hadlee - Although he featured the New Model 'no leap' technique everything
> else was classic Old Model)
> Bond V.1 - His V.2 has been remodelled to reduce stress, but looks to me
> that it'd actually increase his chances of back strain as he bends
> considerably to his left after release now. Makes me wince.

> Special category Old Model:

> Thommo - Perfectly side-on through delivery.

> New Model:

> McGrath - It just doesn't get any simpler. His straight front leg and 90
> degree use of the wrist in delivery are the keys to his success.

Don't disagree with any of yours but I have to be a little biased and put in
three South African's I have always liked
Allan Donald - What an athlete
Shaun Pollock
Vince van der Bjl - You may not have seen him due to SA's isolation. He was
picked for the SA test side in the early seventies that ended up having its
tour cancelled -

Mike Procter's action was anything but pretty/classic - effective though. He
thundered in from the sightscreen. How he did not get injured more no-one
knows

 
 
 

Best medium-to-fast bowling action?

Post by Ivan Skiva » Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:30:02

Thanks for your insights. A beautiful run-up and action is a wonderful
thing to watch. It's a bit like fluency and style in batting. Looking
good does not ensure good results, but it is an attractive facet of the
game. I remember Neil Hawke. His action was not attractive but the ball
did amazing things after it left his hand.

Ivan

 
 
 

Best medium-to-fast bowling action?

Post by shariq_ta.. » Thu, 29 Dec 2005 05:39:25

Quote:

> I thought Gary Sobers had a glorious bowling action. Freddie Trueman is
> often cited for having a flawless action. Who had - or has - the best
> action?

> Ivan

I thought Hadlee had a flawless action - as perfect an action as you
will find in a pace bowler. Michael Holding's was probably the
smoothest and most effortless looking - key word being "looking" as I
reckon the effort input was bordering on ***. I saw too little of
Sir Gary Sobers bowling to judge. Same applies to Trueman

Shariq

 
 
 

Best medium-to-fast bowling action?

Post by alve » Thu, 29 Dec 2005 06:28:04


Quote:
> Thanks for your insights. A beautiful run-up and action is a wonderful
> thing to watch. It's a bit like fluency and style in batting. Looking
> good does not ensure good results, but it is an attractive facet of the
> game. I remember Neil Hawke. His action was not attractive but the ball
> did amazing things after it left his hand.

Yair. He had a terrific off-cutter action. And happily a terrific
off-cutter came out of it.

alvey