Is 'More' to it than what meets the eye?

Is 'More' to it than what meets the eye?

Post by Ravi » Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:38:35


http://www.newstodaynet.com/25dec/ss2.htm

Is 'More' to it than what meets the eye?

K V VASUDEVAN
Chennai, Dec 25:

        While no can grudge the recall of Sourav Ganguly and Zaheer
Khan for the tour to Pakistan, the one involving the little man of
Indian cricket does raise eyebrows. Dinesh Kaarthick was a victim of
the zonal powers with the Chairman of selectors (Kiran More) retained
to pull the card favouring Parthiv Patel.

        When Ganguly was the skipper, he had the powers to take his
Statemate Deep Das Gupta for a tour of Australia and Saba Karim
(Bangladesh). Suddenly, the 31-plus Samir Dighe emerged from nowhere to
play the deciding Test against Australia at Chennai four years ago.
That his knock was the cornerstone of India's win is another matter.

        Going by history, the Indian selectors have always toyed with
the second wicketkeeper for overseas tour. Bengal's Rusi Jeejibhoy was
a surprise choice in the '71 tour of West Indies as deputy to the late
P Krishnamurthy. Mumbai's Chandrakant Pandit was later an automatic
choice as the second wicketkeeper. The joke which did the rounds was
the selectors used to pick Pandit's name first and then decide on the
composition.

        First choice 'keeper: Not long ago, Dinesh Kaarthick was the
first choice wicketkeeper, doing well in the home series. His top Test
score of 93 against Pakistan at the Eden Gardens displayed his fighting
qualities. In the same series, a 40-plus innings too was worth its
weight.

        A prominent member of the Indian Under-19 World Cup squad at
Bangladesh two years ago, Kaarthick had to bide his time as Parthiv's
chubby cheeks seemed to do wonders rather than his gloves. Parthiv was
pursued till it reached a point where he had nothing left to drop.

        When Kaarthick got his due he inspired the confidence with the
bat. The rough edges in his 'keeping did needed a lot of polishing. His
height did come in the way to bend on time in the legside while doing
duty for Kumble. Initially, he had the tag of a batsman-wicketkeeper
which slowly changed over the years.

        A wilful learner and a team man to the core, Kaarthick would
have stood to gain a lot in the demanding tour of Pakistan. With Dhoni
sealing his place in the one-dayers and doing well in his three Tests,
Kaarthick had the best credentials as the back-up.

        Kaarthick is young and the sort to fight out the battles where
it matters. With the domestic season on, he has to get on with the job.
In the long list of the State cricketers getting the cold shoulder, the
likes of Kaarthick only adds up the number.

 
 
 

Is 'More' to it than what meets the eye?

Post by Srin » Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:59:11

I presume this article is taking the "***" angle too far....

More than anything, I think, Karthick himself would know why he has
been dropped. He didn't deserve to be selected the time when he came to
the Indian team, IMO. He needed to play atleast 1 more year of domestic
cricket to improve both his keeping and batting to consistent levels.

As a batsman, Karthick was prone to rashness and indecision, while
displaying talent now and then. In the intervening domestic games,
though, his form went through a slump as he couldn't notch that many
scores which Parthiv Patel and of course, M.S.Dhoni did...

As Karthick himself rightly pointed out recently, Dhoni has raised the
bar for Indian keepers with his aggressive and near-consistent batting.
Karthick has the capability to emulate Dhoni, actually. If he plays a
bit more domestic cricket and shows a bit more consistency, he can beat
Patel to the second spot and Dhoni to the test spot; Dhoni being
untested in foreign pitches.

I think this was the best thing to happen to Karthick, he is just 21,
after all.

BTW, as we talk about Karthick, Dhoni and Patel, lurking in the shadows
is Ibrahim Khaleel, who has shown amazing form with the bat for
Hyderabad this season, where he has single-handedly carried the
Hyderabad batting. I presume, Khaleel is in par with Karthick for the
keepers' reserves contention.

Seems to be heady times for Indian keepers'; we are flowing with really
good talent. I have seen the keeping of Sudhir ***hade, the Railways
stumper who is also very talented, except that his batting is not much
to talk about.

Quote:

> http://SportToday.org/

> Is 'More' to it than what meets the eye?

> K V VASUDEVAN
> Chennai, Dec 25:

>         While no can grudge the recall of Sourav Ganguly and Zaheer
> Khan for the tour to Pakistan, the one involving the little man of
> Indian cricket does raise eyebrows. Dinesh Kaarthick was a victim of
> the zonal powers with the Chairman of selectors (Kiran More) retained
> to pull the card favouring Parthiv Patel.

>         When Ganguly was the skipper, he had the powers to take his
> Statemate Deep Das Gupta for a tour of Australia and Saba Karim
> (Bangladesh). Suddenly, the 31-plus Samir Dighe emerged from nowhere to
> play the deciding Test against Australia at Chennai four years ago.
> That his knock was the cornerstone of India's win is another matter.

>         Going by history, the Indian selectors have always toyed with
> the second wicketkeeper for overseas tour. Bengal's Rusi Jeejibhoy was
> a surprise choice in the '71 tour of West Indies as deputy to the late
> P Krishnamurthy. Mumbai's Chandrakant Pandit was later an automatic
> choice as the second wicketkeeper. The joke which did the rounds was
> the selectors used to pick Pandit's name first and then decide on the
> composition.

>         First choice 'keeper: Not long ago, Dinesh Kaarthick was the
> first choice wicketkeeper, doing well in the home series. His top Test
> score of 93 against Pakistan at the Eden Gardens displayed his fighting
> qualities. In the same series, a 40-plus innings too was worth its
> weight.

>         A prominent member of the Indian Under-19 World Cup squad at
> Bangladesh two years ago, Kaarthick had to bide his time as Parthiv's
> chubby cheeks seemed to do wonders rather than his gloves. Parthiv was
> pursued till it reached a point where he had nothing left to drop.

>         When Kaarthick got his due he inspired the confidence with the
> bat. The rough edges in his 'keeping did needed a lot of polishing. His
> height did come in the way to bend on time in the legside while doing
> duty for Kumble. Initially, he had the tag of a batsman-wicketkeeper
> which slowly changed over the years.

>         A wilful learner and a team man to the core, Kaarthick would
> have stood to gain a lot in the demanding tour of Pakistan. With Dhoni
> sealing his place in the one-dayers and doing well in his three Tests,
> Kaarthick had the best credentials as the back-up.

>         Kaarthick is young and the sort to fight out the battles where
> it matters. With the domestic season on, he has to get on with the job.
> In the long list of the State cricketers getting the cold shoulder, the
> likes of Kaarthick only adds up the number.


 
 
 

Is 'More' to it than what meets the eye?

Post by wisde » Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:16:25

Quote:

>         When Ganguly was the skipper, he had the powers to take his
> Statemate Deep Das Gupta for a tour of Australia and Saba Karim
> (Bangladesh). Suddenly, the 31-plus Samir Dighe emerged from nowhere to
> play the deciding Test against Australia at Chennai four years ago.
> That his knock was the cornerstone of India's win is another matter.

Ganguly also fought with selectors to have Samir Dighe included in the
side (when Deep Dasgupta was one of the candidates being considered)
and Dighe was not a statemate of Ganguly.

Some south indian cricket fans and columnists have routinely alleged
that Ganguly was unfair to players from the south zone. I would request
them to note that Murali Kartick, Dinesh Kaarthick and L.Balaji are not
making the trip to Pakistan even though Ganguly is no longer the
captain.

 
 
 

Is 'More' to it than what meets the eye?

Post by Ravi » Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:22:12

Actually it was written by the article author :-)

Quote:
> >         When Ganguly was the skipper, he had the powers to take his
> > Statemate Deep Das Gupta for a tour of Australia and Saba Karim
> > (Bangladesh). Suddenly, the 31-plus Samir Dighe emerged from nowhere to
> > play the deciding Test against Australia at Chennai four years ago.
> > That his knock was the cornerstone of India's win is another matter.

> Ganguly also fought with selectors to have Samir Dighe included in the
> side (when Deep Dasgupta was one of the candidates being considered)
> and Dighe was not a statemate of Ganguly.

> Some south indian cricket fans and columnists have routinely alleged
> that Ganguly was unfair to players from the south zone. I would request
> them to note that Murali Kartick, Dinesh Kaarthick and L.Balaji are not
> making the trip to Pakistan even though Ganguly is no longer the
> captain.

and the inference being?
 
 
 

Is 'More' to it than what meets the eye?

Post by wisde » Wed, 28 Dec 2005 01:43:31

Quote:

> and the inference being?

(1) the allegation that Ganguly displayed an anti-South Indian bias
during team selection was probably very unfair. Probably the players
who did not make the team did not make a very strong case for
themselves when they were not chosen. Case by case consideration is
important.

or

2) If regionalism was really a factor, Ganguly was probably many times
less responsible than selectors (Ganguly did not even have the power of
a casting vote) like Kiran More.

 
 
 

Is 'More' to it than what meets the eye?

Post by Arjun Pandi » Wed, 28 Dec 2005 01:49:29

Quote:

> http://www.newstodaynet.com/25dec/ss2.htm

> Is 'More' to it than what meets the eye?

> K V VASUDEVAN
> Chennai, Dec 25:

> In the long list of the State cricketers getting the cold shoulder, the
> likes of Kaarthick only adds up the number.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/dddeb8354e4d737f...

Heeralal Pannalal would be the most disappointed guy over Kaarthick
getting left out.

 
 
 

Is 'More' to it than what meets the eye?

Post by Numero Un » Wed, 28 Dec 2005 02:19:35

      Batsmen: R B 4s 6s S/R
      G Vignesh (RHB) 2 21 0 0 9.52  Striker
      KKD Karthik (RHB) 98 111 15 1 88.29  Non-striker
 
 
 

Is 'More' to it than what meets the eye?

Post by Take it eas » Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:14:31



Quote:
> Some south indian cricket fans and columnists have routinely
> alleged that Ganguly was unfair to players from the south zone. I
> would request them to note that Murali Kartick,

not from south zone

Quote:
> Dinesh Kaarthick
> and L.Balaji

injured, no chance of making even if VB Chandrasekhar is chairman of
selectors :)

Quote:
> are not making the trip to Pakistan even though
> Ganguly is no longer the captain.

Takeiteasy [who doesn't think TN players got the shaft from
Ganguly].
 
 
 

Is 'More' to it than what meets the eye?

Post by Sanja » Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:11:40


Quote:

>>         When Ganguly was the skipper, he had the powers to take his
>> Statemate Deep Das Gupta for a tour of Australia and Saba Karim
>> (Bangladesh). Suddenly, the 31-plus Samir Dighe emerged from nowhere to
>> play the deciding Test against Australia at Chennai four years ago.
>> That his knock was the cornerstone of India's win is another matter.

> Ganguly also fought with selectors to have Samir Dighe included in the
> side (when Deep Dasgupta was one of the candidates being considered)
> and Dighe was not a statemate of Ganguly.

Ganduly pushed Deep Dasgupta into the team even though he knew Dasgupta was
not up to international standards in wicket keeping. Samir Dighe was
selected for the chennai test because by that time Deep Dasgupta proved to
be mediocre.

Stop spinning the selection of Dighe in favor of ganduly.

Quote:

> Some south indian cricket fans and columnists have routinely alleged
> that Ganguly was unfair to players from the south zone. I would request
> them to note that Murali Kartick, Dinesh Kaarthick and L.Balaji are not
> making the trip to Pakistan even though Ganguly is no longer the
> captain.

Again it doesnt prove anything. Balaji is not fit and is injured. Dinesh
Karthick was overlooked by More who pimped for his fellow statemate Parthiv.
There is only two places for spinners and hence Murali karthick missed out.
Case closed.
 
 
 

Is 'More' to it than what meets the eye?

Post by Abhiji » Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:47:39

Quote:

> http://SportToday.org/

> Is 'More' to it than what meets the eye?

> K V VASUDEVAN
> Chennai, Dec 25:

>         While no can grudge the recall of Sourav Ganguly and Zaheer
> Khan for the tour to Pakistan, the one involving the little man of
> Indian cricket does raise eyebrows. Dinesh Kaarthick was a victim of
> the zonal powers with the Chairman of selectors (Kiran More) retained
> to pull the card favouring Parthiv Patel.

>         When Ganguly was the skipper, he had the powers to take his
> Statemate Deep Das Gupta for a tour of Australia and Saba Karim
> (Bangladesh).

This false 'statemate' allegation makes the rest of the article ***
(not that it is otherwise great)!
 
 
 

Is 'More' to it than what meets the eye?

Post by vijaykum.. » Fri, 30 Dec 2005 04:14:31

Sanjay
did you write this or did some imposter do that?

Vijay

 
 
 

Is 'More' to it than what meets the eye?

Post by vijaykum.. » Fri, 30 Dec 2005 04:16:59

One other keeper who, unfortunately, is rarely mentioned
even on RSC is MSK Prasad.

As far as I heard, he did not do much wrong as keeper
when he did play. He was thrust into the opener's slot
on that ill-fated tour of Aus. and failed along with the
entire batting order.

He opens for Andhra nowadays and scores handy
runs for them, the latest being his unheralded 70
over Haryana that set up the innings win.

Vijay

 
 
 

Is 'More' to it than what meets the eye?

Post by Sanja » Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:53:42


Quote:
> Sanjay
> did you write this or did some imposter do that?

> Vijay

I wrote that comment myself. Yesterday I was a little bit distracted.

Ganduly pushed Deep Dasgupta in place of Samir Dighe anyway after the SL
series.

 
 
 

Is 'More' to it than what meets the eye?

Post by Irresponsible Ottara » Sat, 31 Dec 2005 07:05:14

Quote:



>>Sanjay
>>did you write this or did some imposter do that?

>>Vijay

> I wrote that comment myself. Yesterday I was a little bit distracted.

running out of prozac?

Quote:
> Ganduly pushed Deep Dasgupta in place of Samir Dighe anyway after the SL
> series.

do you say 'hech'?